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    Re: Tesla Roadster

    While not ideal Ionity EU plans on operating 400 locations by 2020.  https://ionity.eu/ However, this is a classic example of how throwing more money at a problem can overcome issues. 



    Re: Tesla Roadster

    SciFrog:

    https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/03/teslas-self-driving-strategy-is-outdated-and-possibly-dangerous/

     

    Exactly what we have been discussing here for the longest time............


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    Re: Tesla Roadster

    lukestern:
    RC:

    I wasn't talking about quality but headroom, leg room and space feel. The Tesla S feels more cramped in the back than the E class...as far as I remember, a lot of time has passed since I've had the Tesla S for a test-drive.

    E-class is more comfortable for two adults in the back seat than the Tesla S, no doubt about that. The Tesla S is however rather wide and can better seat three people and also doesn't have the middle transmission tunnel, which means that there is more space on the flat floor in the middle.

    What I've learnt however after testing several Model S is that from 2018 MY, the back seat is changed to a much better variant with three individually shaped seat in the back. Before this it was just an ugly and uncomfortable "bench" in the back (which I think is the variant most have tested). Head room has also improved with the new glass roof which didn't exist in Model S from let's say 2017 and older. With the higher floor in the Model S the back seat comfort will be better in a similar sized car, but depends also on body shape and how you prefer to sit back there. Model S cargo capacity is however by far the biggest in its class. Think it is about 850 liter or so without rear seats folded which is huge in its class and also with the hatchback opening it is nice for hauling cargo. There is also the extra cargo space in the front which is similar to the space in a 911.

     

    That's how a Model S got classified as a full size when it is a mid-sized. EPA adds up the cargo room too.

    But that's the advantage of the Model S, cargo room of a wagon, seating arrangement of a 7 seat wagon (those rear face 2 seats in the trunk), but in a body of a sedan.

     


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    "Fitch Ratings: EMEA Carmakers Catching Up with Tesla"

    (14 March 2019)

    Fitch Ratings - Barcelona / London - 14 March 2019: European carmakers are refocusing their strategy towards electric vehicles (EVs) and catching up with specialised manufacturers, Fitch Ratings says. Carmakers have increased investments in plug-in-hybrids (PHEVs) and battery electric vehicles (BEVs) with numerous model launches expected in the next 12 to 24 months. The revenue implications are limited due to a still low share of EVs in overall car output, while the impact of investments on credit metrics can be accommodated within the current ratings.

    Carmakers' investments and development costs, as well as higher fixed costs, are unlikely to lead to material deterioration of credit metrics in the short to medium term, therefore the rating impact remains limited. Some manufacturers, including Volkswagen (BBB+/Stable), have also announced an acceleration of cost-cutting efforts, including redundancies, partly to support upcoming investments in electrification and partly because EV production is about 30% less labour-intensive than that of internal combustion engines. We believe that manufacturers' electrification strategies will drive their competitiveness and ultimately credit profiles over the next decade.

    Strong growth momentum in global EV sales in 2018 was supported by tighter emission regulations, especially in Europe from 2020-2021, that will not be met with the current powertrain mix and given falling diesel sales. It was also supported by consumer incentives for buying EVs in some countries. A massive effort in electrification will be required to reach these targets and avoid fines. 

    A boost in product offering from leading manufacturers, increasing consumer acceptance and higher affordability due to declining battery costs and maturing technology, are other important factors in EV growth. The EV sales still remain small with just 2%-3% in key markets and only a tiny fraction of the global existing car fleet.

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    We believe that early adopters, such as the alliance between Renault (BBB/Stable) and Nissan, and Tesla, will reach breakeven points and then profits earlier than late joiners. Early entrants also benefit from valuable experience built beyond EV manufacturing, notably in vehicle sale, financing, after-sales management and recycling. 

    Nonetheless, we believe incumbent carmakers have the ability to catch up with specialised EV manufacturers, thanks to their capacity to invest and their robust record in product management. Larger manufacturers, including Daimler (A-/Stable) and Volkswagen, are investing substantial amounts to accelerate the development of EVs and we believe their experience will help them gain a foothold in the segment. Volkswagen has announced plans to launch close to 70 EV models in the next decade, accounting for more than 22 million vehicles. 

    Other companies, such as Peugeot and FCA (both BBB-/Stable), have adopted a strategy of fast-followers, but we believe they should be able to eventually close the gap with larger groups, thanks to more recently announced investment plans and a gradual market convergence towards electrification. 

    We expect EV profitability to accelerate for carmakers once unit sales increase as this will drive better fixed cost absorption, while large production footprints will make introducing bolt-on models with electric drivetrains relatively easy. This contrasts with operational challenges of smaller producers, exemplified by Tesla's manufacturing bottleneck in 2018 that could be addressed only gradually.

    Tesla has a competitive market lead and experienced a pivotal year in 2018, increasing EV deliveries 113% to 245,000, thanks to the Model 3 production ramp. BMW consolidated its position as the largest European EV manufacturer benefitting from continued growth of its i3 model launched in 2013, while Volkswagen capitalised on strong demand for its e-Golf. Even manufacturers that have joined electrification later are accelerating their product offering. Volvo Cars will launch its first BEV in 2019 and Daimler, which historically sold hybrids (B class and smart), will introduce its first full electric Mercedes Benz model (EQC) in 2019.

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    Source:  https://www.fitchratings.com/site/pr/10066366


    Re: Tesla Roadster

    Tesla Model Y to be unveiled later today...

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    Smiley


    Re: Tesla Roadster

    A smaller minivan than the Model X. 

    Basically shrink down the Model X in size.

    Model 3 nose and interior.

     


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    Re: Tesla Roadster

    Why change a formula that works... A vehicle as cool as an SUV with the practicality of a minivan...


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    Its a minivan just like the X ...I thought it was supposed to be a SUV? yes


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    Re: Tesla Roadster

    Tesla does not SUV for off-road.... Since no one goes off road...


    Re: Tesla Roadster

    SciFrog:

    Tesla does not SUV for off-road.... Since no one goes off road...

    Non sequitur. No one goes offoroad and yet the most popular car segment are SUVs... 

    Guess Tesla doesn't have the resources now to actually make a new model like a SUV version and just rebrand a X minivan () in a smaller size... given thick enough goggles I guess some could see it as a new cool SUV broken heart


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    Re: Tesla Roadster

    Most popular segment is actually crossovers ie SUV not made for off-road. What makes a minivan is the boxy shape, the short front and the sliding door. The X has none of it and is super cool on top of it, with the most advanced EV tech and infotainment system on any car available on the market today Smiley


    Re: Tesla Roadster

    X drives like a minivan, too.


    Re: Tesla Roadster

    And accelerates faster than my Aston smiley


    Re: Tesla Roadster

    SciFrog:

    Why change a formula that works... A vehicle as cool as an SUV with the practicality of a minivan...

     

    And has the exact silhouette of a Pontiac Aztec.


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    Whoopsy:
    SciFrog:

    Why change a formula that works... A vehicle as cool as an SUV with the practicality of a minivan...

     

    And has the exact silhouette of a Pontiac Aztec.

    If it only had the build quality of the Aztec.  


    Re: Tesla Roadster

    Tesla Model Y...

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    Re: Tesla Roadster

    Second photo is of the Model 3, not Y.  


    Re: Tesla Roadster

    CGX car nut:

    Second photo is of the Model 3, not Y.  

    Well spotted sir! Have removed the offending photo... they must have used the same mould, but in a larger size? Smiley

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    ...coming soon(ish) to a parking lot near you! Smiley


    Re: Tesla Roadster

    SciFrog:

    Why change a formula that works... A vehicle as cool as an SUV with the practicality of a minivan...

    Where have you seen this with the Tesla badge on it?...because I haven't. Smiley

    This is cool... Smiley

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    This is...yuckSmiley

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    Re: Tesla Roadster

    SciFrog:

    Most popular segment is actually crossovers ie SUV not made for off-road. What makes a minivan is the boxy shape, the short front and the sliding door. The X has none of it and is super cool on top of it, with the most advanced EV tech and infotainment system on any car available on the market today Smiley

    If it looks like a minivan, sits like a minivan and drives like a minivan, then it's as minivan, and minivans are anything but cool. This shape is anti-cool, not even the wife and daughter would be caught driving one... doesn't matter if it is Tesla or Audi or Infinity who makes it.

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    Re: Tesla Roadster

    Carlos from Spain:
    SciFrog:

    Most popular segment is actually crossovers ie SUV not made for off-road. What makes a minivan is the boxy shape, the short front and the sliding door. The X has none of it and is super cool on top of it, with the most advanced EV tech and infotainment system on any car available on the market today Smiley

    If it looks like a minivan, sits like a minivan and drives like a minivan, then it's as minivan, and minivans are anything but cool. This shape is anti-cool, not even the wife and daughter would be caught driving one... doesn't matter if it is Tesla or Audi or Infinity who makes it.

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    Smiley This shape is Prius cool...Smiley


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    Re: Tesla Roadster

    oh god enlightened


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    Re: Tesla Roadster

    RC:

    Smiley This shape is Prius cool...Smiley

    Smiley You may recall the german federal minister of commerce asking the german carmakers: "When do you build an EV which is at least half as sexy as a Tesla" ? Smiley Not that I think that the guy has a clue...(hard to imagine him behind the steering wheel of any kind of sexy car anyway). Smiley


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    Re: Tesla Roadster

    RC:
    Carlos from Spain:
    SciFrog:

    Most popular segment is actually crossovers ie SUV not made for off-road. What makes a minivan is the boxy shape, the short front and the sliding door. The X has none of it and is super cool on top of it, with the most advanced EV tech and infotainment system on any car available on the market today Smiley

    If it looks like a minivan, sits like a minivan and drives like a minivan, then it's as minivan, and minivans are anything but cool. This shape is anti-cool, not even the wife and daughter would be caught driving one... doesn't matter if it is Tesla or Audi or Infinity who makes it.

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    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

    Smiley This shape is Prius cool...Smiley

    indecision ... a Prius who ate too many cupcakes Smiley


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    Re: Tesla Roadster

    It will be interesting to see as the number of EV's increase on the roads here what the various states will do to recover lost gasoline taxes that are used to maintain the roads. I wouldn't be surprised to see a a special "road tax" for EV's one day.......


    Re: Tesla Roadster

    Typical politician’s foresight on never thinking through the ramifications of their recent decisions.  There is definitely a need for an EV road usage tax as their users receive multiple benefits, starting with the EV tax incentives, and the lack of road support through the fuel tax.   Every state should introduce an annual wheel tax as well as a tax at charging stations based on KwH usage.   

    No one from the States posted anything on the Administration’s budget plan to eliminate the EV tax incentive starting next year.   This is actually another backdoor benefit to Tesla as it is losing that incentive as other makers enter the market with the subsidy relatively intact.

     


    Re: Tesla Roadster

    I posted the plan. I think it will greatly benefit Tesla since their incentives are going away...


    Re: Tesla Roadster

    Carlos from Spain:
    SciFrog:

    Most popular segment is actually crossovers ie SUV not made for off-road. What makes a minivan is the boxy shape, the short front and the sliding door. The X has none of it and is super cool on top of it, with the most advanced EV tech and infotainment system on any car available on the market today Smiley

    If it looks like a minivan, sits like a minivan and drives like a minivan, then it's as minivan, and minivans are anything but cool. This shape is anti-cool, not even the wife and daughter would be caught driving one... doesn't matter if it is Tesla or Audi or Infinity who makes it.

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    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

    Minivans are anything but cool, that’s the genius behind the X...

    The front does not look like a minivan.
    The rear does not look like a minivan.
    The side does not look like a minivan.
    No minivan on the market has full wing doors.
    No minivan has a front trunk.
    No minivan on the market is an EV.
    No minivan has supercar acceleration performance.
    No minivan has a 17” screen
    No minivan has a giant glass roof.
    No minivan has OTA software updates with new capabilities added in the future as they are ready.
    No minivan has onboard hardware capabilities for autonomous driving (even if the software is not ready).
    No minivan can be shipped directly to you and bought without talking to an annoying dealer.
     

    Smiley


    Re: Tesla Roadster

    Model Y top specs: 280-300 miles ranges, 250khw charging, 0-60 3.5s (vs 5.5s for E-Tron), fully loaded at least $20k less than the Audi and the best for last in case you missed it: IT WILL SEAT 7 PEOPLE and their (small) cargo...

    At equivalent specs (5.5s 0-60 300 miles), the loaded Y is a whopping $28k cheaper than the base E-Tron. Ouch.

    At the optimal charge, the Y can recharge 75 miles in 5 minutes on the V3 supercharger.


     
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