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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Well, Porsche has obviously produced a large number of 4 cyl. Macans now available at my dealer...Smiley


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    d997h:

    Well, Porsche has obviously produced a large number of 4 cyl. Macans now available at my dealer...Smiley

    Porsche isn't very clever. They should basically give away these 4 cyl. Macans at special lease rates, so they are out on the roads and showing off the new Macan design. This is how they could raise attention to the facelifted Macan.


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Whoopsy:
    Dane:
    Dane:
    Whoopsy:

    GT4 and the ClubSport LA Auto show

    992 Geneva 2019

    Taycan Frankfurt 2019

     

    Thanks Whoopsy! wink 

     

    Whoopsy, still "valid"?
    I heared Geneva 2019 for the GT4 Smiley

     

    Geneva will be too far for the GT4.

    Geneva is a big important show for Porsche, so 992.

    Any news on this topic?


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    992 Geneva 2019

    The new Porsche 911 will celebrate its world premiere in Carson near Los Angeles (USA) on the eve of the L.A. Auto Show. The event gets under way on Tuesday, 27 November, at 8pm local time (Wednesday, 28 November, 5am in Central Europe). Porsche Newsroom will broadcast the event live in English language at newsTV.porsche.de.


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Dane:
    Whoopsy:
    Dane:
    Dane:
    Whoopsy:

    GT4 and the ClubSport LA Auto show

    992 Geneva 2019

    Taycan Frankfurt 2019

     

    Thanks Whoopsy! wink 

     

    Whoopsy, still "valid"?
    I heared Geneva 2019 for the GT4 Smiley

     

    Geneva will be too far for the GT4.

    Geneva is a big important show for Porsche, so 992.

    Any news on this topic?

     

    See the other message. Seems like Marketing changed stuff around since the last time I talked to them. Inn addition to the long awaited 992, they do have like 5 more cars to unveil in the coming months. 


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    5 more cars ??? GOSH !!!

    Will they announced them, or be able to sell them ?? WLTP compliant ??? :-)


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    Yeah, I thought the same, like WLTP for: 1. Carrera S, narrow tires, 2. Carrera S, wider tires, ... Smiley


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    These 5 has nothing to do with the 992


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    d997h:

    Yeah, I thought the same, like WLTP for: 1. Carrera S, narrow tires, 2. Carrera S, wider tires, ... Smiley

    Smiley


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Whoopsy:

    These 5 has nothing to do with the 992

    1. GT2 RS CS

    2. 718 GT4

    3. 718 GT4 CS

    4. 718 Spyder

    5. Production 991 Speedster?

    SmileySmiley


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Don't forget the 718 T models.


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    Right


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    This Gt4 is mostly a waiting game. And there are another 3 or 4 months of that.


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    About a month since the last post. Figured I would do a little revival. Since we are a week and a half 

    Away from the clubsport reveal, anyone have any additional Intel they can share?

    I'm guessing the street gt4 won't make a reveal until Geneva. 


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    We need to see that 4.0 motorsport flat-six in a Cayman GT4...

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    "The best M car you can buy versus the best Cayman ever?" (PistonHeads)

    (25 December 2018)

    Hopefully these two are cars you know well; after all, both Porsche Cayman GT4 and BMW M2 Competition counter a lot of arguments about modern sports cars. Both have standard manual gearboxes, both have six cylinders, both are rear-drive and both, while not exactly MX-5 sized, are reasonably compact. While you may not love them both (or either, perhaps), it would be hard as a PHer not to admire what the BMW and Porsche represent; namely a focus on driver enjoyment and a conscious rebuttal of too much tech.

    Having been so impressed by the M2 in various encounters - see Matt Prior's original verdict for the level of praise we're talking about - this comparison was about establishing just how good the Comp really is. Nothing like setting the bar high to know for sure, is there? We know the BMW is there or thereabouts with its contemporaries, so a six-cylinder Cayman comparison - the very best six-cylinder Cayman, no less - will offer the chance to really prove its mettle. And before there are any cries of foul play, the differences in age, price and layout will be considered - the test was simply too tempting an opportunity to pass up. Finally, the BMW really doesn't have much to lose in this duel: it's not expected to come out on top against a Porsche Motorsport product, but if it does come close it's also the cheaper and newer car.

    That said, the M2 faces an uphill battle before it's even arrived, because five minutes in a Cayman GT4 will convince you of little need for any other car. Ever. Putting aside the issues around availability, resale and its impending replacement - easier said than done, granted - this remains a terrific driver's car, one deserving of all the praise heaped upon it. Yes, the gears are too long, it uses 'just' a 911 Carrera engine and people scowl at it like you've run over a kitten, but that shouldn't detract from the GT4's sensational talents.

    Weirdly for something so ostensibly focused, it's the Cayman's compromise that makes it so immediately (and immensely) beguiling. Honestly. The boot can be loaded up with stuff, podcasts playing through Bluetooth and coffee in the cupholder as you trundle out of town like in any old Cayman, then all hell lets loose when the situation allows. Pleasingly for 2018 it can be left in one setting to do this, too: so expertly judged is the damping in the PASM's Normal mode that there's little need for any more, throttle response never feels like the embellishment of Sport is required, and the driver aid intervention threshold is sufficiently lofty that disabling them is purely for vanity. Alright, more exhaust noise is pretty cool. Otherwise it's three pedals, one stick and two driven wheels the whole time. Which is rather nice. Four hours to Exmoor? We should have done Scotland...

    Before this becomes another Porsche missive though, it's worth reiterating what a gem this M2 Competition is. When the standard car arrived in 2016, it was declared as one of our favourite cars of the year - "A CS could be something really special, too", was the conclusion at the time; while that may still happen, there's plenty to be enthused by with this Competition.

    Everything that the standard car did well, this does better; everything that wasn't so great has been, if not expunged, then improved noticeably. The end result is one of the most charismatic, entertaining and likeable cars on sale today, one brimming with M car attitude but tangible dynamic quality as well. When a four-cylinder F-Type starts at £51k, that the M2 Comp you'd actually want - nice paint, heated seats, the brake upgrade - is comfortably less than £55k makes it look conspicuously good value.

    Of course, the big news for this Competition is the introduction of the M3/M4 S55 engine, replacing the more prosaic N55 used before. And while it is great, more willing to rev, more responsive to the throttle and more pleasant to listen to, that rabid edge from the senior models is lacking. Maybe it's the missing power, maybe it's having a manual here and only automatic experience in the others, or maybe it's the mapping; whatever the case, that searing energy over the final few revs, the bit that makes that 3.0-litre twin-turbo six feel like a proper M engine, isn't quite there. Bizarre. 

    While it may be that the Porsche also has an impact on that perception, it could just as well be the M2's additional composure that makes it feel less feral. Those early F80/F82s were a bit of a wild ride at any point, let alone at peak power, an impression that never materialises in this Competition. Instead there's faith, confidence and trust in what the car is doing as the limit approaches, which hasn't always been the case with recent M cars. Bumps that were unsettling previously can be attacked, turn ins made more decisively and the throttle chased earlier, the car and this architecture more capable than it's ever been. And it was pretty good before, really.

    That said it's naughtier as well, and that's why the Comp impresses so much  - it improves a lot of the M2, not just one or two areas, and so broadens its appeal. With a punchier engine and more keyed-in set up, plus the existing benefits of an M diff and a great front end, the M2 is only too happy to adopt a more... traditional BMW cornering stance, shall we say. With even more belief in what the front Super Sports are doing, the additional composure and a rear axle now treated to more torque, the M2 is surely one of the best cars on sale for advertising the juvenile perks of rear-wheel drive. Everything off is also the only way to disable the rev matching as well, so you kinda have to... 

    That's not even the end of it. The BMW never feels as chubby as that kerbweight suggests, the (optional) M Sport brakes are sturdy and reassuring, traction is great, the MDM mode still feels intelligent after all this time... it's a cracking driver's car, this M2 Comp. Perhaps not as groundbreaking as something like the Alpine A110, sure, though fans of traditional M cars - those thuggish, roguish, big hearted Beemers that we thought had been abandoned - should find a lot to smile about here.

    It's no GT4 though. Not by a long chalk. Alright, no great surprise there: series production BMW less exciting than more expensive, mid-engined GT Porsche. Still, the gap here is pronounced, and if anything the context of something newer has only served to highlight what a stroke of genius the Cayman is.

    Why? It's just such a vivid, engaging, visceral driving experience, delivering the sort of involvement that should remind us all why we love motoring around on four wheels. Driving it after the M2 feels like taking off a ski coat, hat, earplugs and gloves: everything is more immediate, engaging and intense - from steering to pedal feel, turn in to braking - the car challenging and enthralling in equal measure. If anything the ride is more accommodating than the BMW while delivering better body control (the 200kg weight advantage will help), the car more agile as well as more confidence inspiring, traction improved because of the layout and yet the on-limit balance is almost as benign - the Porsche's is an amazing chassis. And that engine - good grief. Plain old Carrera S 3.8 it may be, but in 2018 it's so razor sharp against anything else that the current Porsche turbos feel as energetic as Christmas afternoon. The M2 might as well be a 225d by comparison. 

    Never, though - and this is the real key - does the GT4 become overwhelming or irritating. You'd happily drive it to a circuit, hammer around all day and then drive home. The balance and compromise between road racer edge and everyday Porsche is damn near perfect, the car as accommodating or as awe-inspiring as the situation requires. Oh alright, a Panamera would be more cosseting down the M3. So would the BMW, in fact. But the Cayman remains fantastic - wherever, whenever.

    That fawning - you knew it was coming, didn't you? - shouldn't deflect attention from what a tremendous car the M2 is, however. At no point during our time testing the cars did it feel totally outclassed or outgunned, and let's not forget it has two more seats and costs £20,000 less as a new car than a three year-old Porsche does with less power. And there could be still be a CS to further close the gap. As mentioned at the start, the BMW couldn't really lose here, and it emerges with the clear moral triumph of being perhaps the most amusing and mischievous way to spend £50k on an everyday new car. The best driver's car here is that ruddy Porsche though, by a clear margin; time hasn't diminished the GT4's considerable and captivating abilities. If anything it's more alluring than it's ever been, ageing just impeccably thanks very much, and that makes the little red Cayman pretty damn special indeed.

    SPECIFICATION - BMW M2 COMPETITION

    Engine: 2,979cc, twin-turbo straight-six
    Transmission: Six-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
    Power (hp): 410@5,250-7,000rpm
    Torque: 405@2,350-5,200rpm
    0-62mph: 4.4sec
    Top speed: 155mph
    Weight: 1,625kg
    MPG: 30.7
    CO2: 227g/km
    Price: £48,045 (as standard; price as tested £53,155, comprised of M2 Comfort Pack for £1,800, M2 Plus Pack for £1,800, steering wheel heating for £160 and M Sport braking system for £1,350)

    SPECIFICATION - PORSCHE CAYMAN GT4

    Engine: 3,800cc flat-6
    Transmission: Six-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
    Power (hp): 385@7,400rpm
    Torque (lb ft): 310@4,750rpm
    0-62mph: 4.4sec
    Top speed: 182mph
    Weight: 1,415kg (EU, with driver)
    MPG: 27.4mpg (NEDC combined)
    CO2: 238g/km
    Price: £64,451 (before options new; used from c. £70,000) 

    Link: https://www.pistonheads.com/features/ph-features/bmw-m2-competition-vs-porsche-cayman-gt4/39365


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    Good read. Thx   kiss


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    Just a waiting gamelaugh


    Re: Cayman GT4

    I'm first on my dealer's GT4 list. But I must confess I'm tempted to get a 992 instead. I know, very different cars, but it must be the novelty factor. Hopefully the upcoming GT4 will have enough to satisfy that want.

     


    Re: Cayman GT4

    The M2 needs a PDK box to be perfect...........


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Whoopsy:

    The M2 needs a PDK box to be perfect...........

    Dual Clutch is an option


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    Grant:
    Whoopsy:

    The M2 needs a PDK box to be perfect...........

    Dual Clutch is an option

    Silly duel. These cars are not in the same price category. I don’t see anyone cross shopping these 2 cars.


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Last info that if have got -> B6 4.0 and not 3.8 for the street car. We will see .... 


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Is is coming within the next week?


    Re: Cayman GT4

    as far as i know january 3 is the presentation of the racing version

    street version between that time and Geneva, so maybe in February


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    Funny enough I find the M2 the best resolved all-in M design by BMW currently. Think it looks better than the M4 and then nothing above that really impresses any longer (i can’t for example tell the difference btw the new and old M5’er without really struggling)....


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Info received today from very reliable source: GT4 deliveries will start in Q3 2019.


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    Engine Specs

    • Aluminium six-cylinder mid-positioned boxer engine with rigid mounting
    • 3,800 cc; stroke 77.5 mm, bore 102 mm
    • Max. power: 313 kW (425 hp) at 7,500 rpm
    • Max. rpm: 7,800 rpm
    • Max. torque: 425 Nm at 6,600 rpm
    • Compression ratio: 12.5:1

    The road version should look very similar, and have the same engine.


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    xpto:

    The road version should look very similar, and have the same engine.

    Interesting - some seem convinced that a 4.0L version is coming (not GT3 motor) for the road version...


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