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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-porsche-panamera-gts-revealed-styling-and-chassis-upgrades

Porsche has revealed a new GTS variant of the Panamera and Panamera Sport Turismo estate. Priced from £105,963 for the former and £108,110 for the latter, both are due to go on sale in the UK later this year.

Like other GTS Porsches, the two Panameras receive unique styling upgrades including black trim for the front and rear-ends, 20-inch black alloy wheels and GTS badging. Inside, both are trimmed in black Alcantara with anodised aluminium highlights, as part of the usually optional Sport Design package.

A heated Alcantara steering wheel is standard, while an optional Interior GTS package brings customisable design elements. The GTS is also the first Panamera to receive a configurable head-up display, which will roll out on other models in the range.

Sitting below the Panamera Turbo in the lineup, the GTS features a detuned 454bhp version of that car’s 4.0-litre twin-turbo V8 mated to an eight-speed PDK dual-clutch gearbox and all-wheel drive. Producing 457lb ft of torque, it makes the two-tonne saloon and estate capable of 0-62mph in 4.1 seconds and on to a top speed of 181mph (180mph for the Sport Turismo).

This performance is partially assisted by the standard Sports Chrono pack, usually an option on lesser Panameras. Fuel economy is pegged at 27.4mpg for the saloon and 26.6mpg for the Sport Turismo, with CO2 emissions listed as 235g/km and 242g/km respectively. The Panamera GTS also features a petrol particulate filter, fitted on all Porsche models from September onwards.

Being a GTS, the Panamera’s chassis has been revised to offer what Porsche calls “outstanding lateral dynamics”. Adaptive three-chamber air suspension is standard, but lowered by 10mm over regular models, while the Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) system has been recalibrated for a sportier feel. 

Rear-axle steering is optionally available to boost agility further, while the brakes are larger than a standard Panamera’s at 390mm for the fronts and 365mm for the rear. 

Glad they kept the V8...a GTS with a V6 would have been a disaster.

Unfortunately it is a Biturbo now but the sound is OK (better than Turbo).

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)

Official press release:

Porsche has added two extra sporty models to its Panamera range. With a powerful performance from the four-litre V8 biturbo engine (338 kW/460 hp), extra dynamic chassis systems including three-chamber air suspension, and their own unique design elements and equipment, the Panamera GTS and Panamera GTS Sport Turismo harness a one-of-a-kind performance package. For example, the Sport Design package with black exterior elements and large Alcantara surfaces in the interior is included as standard. What’s more, Porsche has expanded its portfolio of comfort and assistance systems to include a head-up display with various configuration options for the entire Panamera range.

Emotion and efficiency: V8 engine with 460 hp and sports exhaust system
At the heart of both of the new Panamera GTS models is a four-litre V8 engine with 338 kW (460 hp) of output and maximum torque of 620 Nm, cultivating an emotional sound and driving experience when combined with the standard sports exhaust system. The biturbo engine, which features a gasoline particulate filter, outperforms its predecessor by 15 kW (20 hp) and 100 Nm, accelerating the Panamera GTS and Panamera GTS Sport Turismo from 0 to 100 km/h in 4.1 seconds as it works in conjunction with the standard Sport Chrono package. The two models achieve a top speed of 292 and 289 km/h respectively. There are no interruptions in tractive force as power is transmitted to the Porsche Traction Management (PTM) all-wheel drive system by the eight-speed PDK dual clutch gearbox. Their exceptional performance is achieved with moderate consumption of just 10.3 l/100 km (Sport Turismo: 10.6 l/100 km) (see footnote); the CO2emissions are 235 g/km (Sport Turismo: 242 g/km). 

Performance and comfort: sports chassis with three-chamber air suspension
Designed to reflect the sporting prowess of the Panamera GTS models, the chassis systems are impressively dynamic. The adaptive air suspension with three-chamber technology is fitted as standard, which results in flexible control and optimum spring rate spread. The sports chassis in the two GTS models has been lowered by 10 millimetres, while the Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) function has been adapted for an even sportier calibration. The result? Outstanding lateral dynamics. Large brakes (390 millimetres in diameter at the front, 365 millimetres at the rear) deliver outstanding deceleration.

That distinctive GTS look: Sport Design package with black highlights
When compared to the predecessor, the new Panamera GTS models’ basic equipment package has been significantly upgraded in a number of areas. The Sport Design package with a new black front end, black trim at the bottom of the rear, and a variety of darker elements highlights the more athletic appearance. The GTS models are equipped with 20-inch Panamera Design wheels as standard. The interior features hallmark elements of black Alcantara and anodised aluminium. The standard package also includes a heated multifunction sports steering wheel with gearshift paddles and Alcantara trim and the Connect Plus module for a wide range of digital services. With the optional Interior GTS package, drivers can customise their vehicle with various design elements, such as a rev counter, designer seams, and GTS logos in the contrasting shades of Carmine Red or Crayon.

A first for the Panamera: head-up display with many configuration options
The GTS models offer all the same innovations as the second-generation Panamera range. These include the digital Porsche Advanced Cockpit, assist systems such as Porsche InnoDrive including adaptive cruise control, and optional rear-axle steering. The GTS also features one highlight that is new to the entire Panamera range – the head-up display. The display can be configured by the driver and projects all relevant information directly into their direct line of sight in full colour.

Even better for day-to-day driving: the first ever Panamera GTS Sport Turismo
As is tradition at Porsche, GTS stands for Gran Turismo Sport. Porsche’s first road-approved sports car, the 904 Carrera GTS, was launched all the way back in 1963, bringing racing technology to the streets. This was followed by the 924 GTS and 928 GTS, which cultivated the concept throughout the 1980s and 90s. In 2007, the GTS celebrated its revival with the Carrera GTS. The first generation of the Panamera GTS followed in 2011, initially available as a sports saloon only. Now, the new Panamera GTS is also available as a Sports Turismo. With a large boot lid, low loading sill, increased luggage compartment volume and 4+1 seating configuration, the new GTS variant based on the 2017 model meets the highest of standards for everyday driving, while also delivering outstanding performance.

The new GTS models are available to order now. In Germany, the Panamera GTS is available from EUR 138,493 including VAT and country-specific equipment; the Panamera GTS Sport Turismo is available from EUR 141,349.
 

Fact sheet (German):

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)

that is a winner and the sweet spot of the range.

GT Lover, Porsche fan

991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

Cayenne GTS 2014

Perfect car, just need to add the hybrid system......oh wait they do already! It’s called the Turbo S! 

Whoopsy:

Perfect car, just need to add the hybrid system......oh wait they do already! It’s called the Turbo S! 

Turbo S is much heavier, sounds much worse and is also much more expensive. 

If I had the money and I could choose, I'd probably take the Turbo S anyway...

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)

there are about the same cars, inside is a copy paste but you have extra ponnies that are useless

GTS is more than enough and entry level of V8. good job now let's see the pricing

GT Lover, Porsche fan

991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

Cayenne GTS 2014

I also think that the Panamera GTS hits a sweet spot.

Maybe, but not much faster than a Cayenne Turbo or a Macan Turbo S for a comparable price, who is going to buy this?

SciFrog:

Maybe, but not much faster than a Cayenne Turbo or a Macan Turbo S for a comparable price, who is going to buy this?

Potential buyer who is not interested in SUV like Cayenne Turbo or new Macan Turbo.

For me only problem is the fact that BMW M5 or Mercedes E63S offer much more for lower base price.

With 911 getting more GT than ever and the Panamera being too small to carry 4 or 5 people, the Panamera is getting squeezed, the high price is just the nail in the coffin.

SciFrog:

With 911 getting more GT than ever and the Panamera being too small to carry 4 or 5 people, the Panamera is getting squeezed, the high price is just the nail in the coffin.

Panamera is fine for 4 adults. 

Obviously not 4 fat American whales which is just ok for a bus. 

There is no way for 3 adults in a 911.

I hear you on the cayenne vs panamera. Macan is not really in this game, much smaller.

Cayenne GTS will be sweet spot of the range as well. The pany is interesting and drive much sportier than a cayenne with a bit more on performance side. 

GT Lover, Porsche fan

991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

Cayenne GTS 2014

Josef:

I also think that the Panamera GTS hits a sweet spot.

The GTS is always the sweet spot in all the models 

⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

Dave wants that green on his RS please.

2015 911 GT3, 1964 Type 1

the-missile:

there are about the same cars, inside is a copy paste but you have extra ponnies that are useless

GTS is more than enough and entry level of V8. good job now let's see the pricing

The pricing is in the official press release I posted... 

Like I said: If I had the money, Turbo S all the way (the hybrid combo makes it fun) but I agree, the GTS is definitely the Panamera model to have right now if you don't want a V6 or spend more than 200k for a well optioned Turbo.

Still, the pricing doesn't feel right, especially compared to the new M5, E63S, etc.. 

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)

RC:

Still, the pricing doesn't feel right, especially compared the new M5, E63S, etc.. 

 

You pay extra for the Porsche badge and for the individuality of the body style.

For some people these attributes make the Panamera more enticing than the powerful versions of the ubiquitous E-class and 5 series.

For others the Panamera price premium is an utter waste of money and the body style still too controversial.

Personally, if I were in the market for this class of car, I would consider the BMW.

"Porsche....and Nothing else matters"

RC:

the-missile:

there are about the same cars, inside is a copy paste but you have extra ponnies that are useless

GTS is more than enough and entry level of V8. good job now let's see the pricing

The pricing is in the official press release I posted... 

Still, the pricing doesn't feel right, especially compared the new M5, E63S, etc.. 

I am looking for the pricing in UAE. I am cheap

the comparison table for the pany is usually against the S or the 7 Series, not the 5 or E class which will be more Taycan size...

GT Lover, Porsche fan

991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

Cayenne GTS 2014

the-missile:

RC:

the-missile:

there are about the same cars, inside is a copy paste but you have extra ponnies that are useless

GTS is more than enough and entry level of V8. good job now let's see the pricing

The pricing is in the official press release I posted... 

Still, the pricing doesn't feel right, especially compared the new M5, E63S, etc.. 

I am looking for the pricing in UAE. I am cheap

the comparison table for the pany is usually against the S or the 7 Series, not the 5 or E class which will be more Taycan size...

I know but most Panamera buyers, at least in Germany, seem to think differently. I don't know many (if any) Panamera drivers who owned a BMW 7 series or S class before but I get your point and I am pretty sure that Porsche sees it that way as well. The Taycan isn't that much smaller I'm afraid...

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)

The hybrid models are attractive because of the tax break and HOV lane access and congestion charges advantage. 

May not mean much in real money terms but the connivence and the time saved at times make it worth while.

A GTS basically has the exact same exhaust note of the Turbo S, same engine but detuned, so the sound argument isn't valid.

Price of course is a big difference. 

Non of the electric cars can handle even half way decent as a pure gasoline cars, the Taycan will change that.

As of right now, hybrid is the best game in town, it combines the best of electric and gasoline engines, and the Panamera hybrid models while 'heavy', they are still Porsches and in the hands of the capable, one will be surprised at how good they are on a race track. Couple laps on a track being driven by any Porsche factory guys and one will be sold, instantly.

The GTS is on the configurator along with pricing (in the UK at least). It's pretty easy to add upwards of 15% to the base price in terms of options most people would likely expect on a car like this. That makes it expensive and having suffered a hefty drop in value on the Panamera I bought I wouldn't like to think how much this version will be suffer in depreciation.

The big drop in resale value is because the MSRP is too high. Used car market adjust for real perceived value.

In the USA a hybrid car like the Panamera does not get HOV rights anymore or big tax savings.

that is the big issue of the pany. its price, way overpriced.

GT Lover, Porsche fan

991.2 GT3 manual, 991 GT3 2014(sold)

Cayenne GTS 2014

I don't understand why people keep complaining Panamera is pricy, but I haven't heard much complain about Bentley or Rolls prices, or Ferrari.

The equivalent of a Porsche is always more pricy than that of Mercedes, BMW and Audi, and these brands will cost more than Toyota, Honda and Nissan.

This is the rule and it will never change.

If Panamera is too pricy and Porsche ends up losing money, then that's Porsche's problem, not us.

The world is nice when we have choices.  Nobody needs to buy a Porsche.

Tim

2010 997.2 GT3RS;  2008 Cayenne Turbo;  2006 911 Club Coupe;  2016 911 GTS Club Coupe;  2015 Macan S
 

To each his own. I tried a Panamera turbo and it was bland, boring and lacked emotions. Plus it is way more expensive than the Cayenne which is at least more practical, the Cayenne being expensive already. Compare to a Macan and the whole Panamera equation blows out. The Panamera is not special enough vs a BMW Merc or Audi.

Ferrari, Bentley, AM and such are on a whole other level of emotions and ownership.

I like that the GTS has the split Turbo rear spoiler.  Love that feature on my Turbo. And the Turbo is boring?  In Sport or Sport Plus mode, it is extremely capable, powerful and sporty--with a great exhaust sound.  That's the appeal of a Turbo--smooth and easy to drive when you want that, extremely powerful and satisfying when you "get on it".  

in Switzerland there are Panameras already in the market with 30% off - very very low mileage. Assuming those are net/net deals from PZ's passed-on as they need to have a quota of Panamera cars....

Targa Tim:

I don't understand why people keep complaining Panamera is pricy, but I haven't heard much complain about Bentley or Rolls prices, or Ferrari.

The equivalent of a Porsche is always more pricy than that of Mercedes, BMW and Audi, and these brands will cost more than Toyota, Honda and Nissan.

This is the rule and it will never change.

If Panamera is too pricy and Porsche ends up losing money, then that's Porsche's problem, not us.

The world is nice when we have choices.  Nobody needs to buy a Porsche.

Because the Panamera isn't in the same league as a Bentley, Rolls or Ferrari? 

Porsche is a nice brand but in Germany, you see the 911 at basically every street corner, won't even start with the Macan or the Cayenne. It is nothing special like a Bentley, Rolls or Ferrari.

The Panamera, especially the top versions, have always been reviewed vs. the BMW 5 series and Mercedes E class, even if many claim that it is actually in the Mercedes S/BMW 7 series class. 

Yes, I would pay a premium for the Panamera over any Mercedes E class or BMW 5 series in the same performance category but not almost 50(!)k more (E63 S or M5). This is insane.

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)

Wonderbar:

I like that the GTS has the split Turbo rear spoiler.  Love that feature on my Turbo. And the Turbo is boring?  In Sport or Sport Plus mode, it is extremely capable, powerful and sporty--with a great exhaust sound.  That's the appeal of a Turbo--smooth and easy to drive when you want that, extremely powerful and satisfying when you "get on it".  

Sydney, the Panamera Turbo is a fantastic car, no doubt but the price tag just doesn't feel right. 

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)

What an achievement:  Porsche developed a Twin Turbo 4.0L V8 that has 60hp less than their 4.0L 6-cyl engine with no turbos 

Kiwi Nick’s opinion:

https://youtu.be/H3dto4zR0Jc

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18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

Grant:

What an achievement:  Porsche developed a Twin Turbo 4.0L V8 that has 60hp less than their 4.0L 6-cyl engine with no turbos 

Kiwi Nick’s opinion:

https://youtu.be/H3dto4zR0Jc

18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

 

The old na V8 engine in the Panamera GTS had 440 Hp , the new turbocharged engine installed in the new GTS  has only 14 hp more.  This engine  with different configurations is also installed in the Bentley, Urus and some incoming Audis. All engines made in Zuffenhausen.