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Damian said:
My E46 M3 was too much a pig already for 333hp, part of what drew me to the 997S.
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Damian said:
My E46 M3 was too much a pig already for 333hp, part of what drew me to the 997S.
With all due respect, I have both (04M3, 06997S) and would rate them about the same for straight line "thrill factor."
IOW, if the M3 is a pig so is the 997S (sorry to say it that way).
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Damian said:
"....installed in a new M3 that weighs just 78 kg more than the previous 339bhp model..."
Don't get me wrong, of course the R8 is faster than a Cayenne Turbo S but I hope you get my point. The R8 is a beautiful car (this one was black, VERY nice colour for the R8) but I'd definetely wait for the R8 V10 or whatever the name will be. Rumoured 100 HP more are definetely a better choise for such a car. 
) and it still is a BMW and not a Porsche but whoever doesn't care about brand names, the M3 is a very nice product at a very nice price tag. My local BMW dealer offered my an almost fully specd new M3 with 270 kph speed limit increase (usually requires a driving training lesson to get this) for 73000 Euro. My wife's Boxster S had a price tag of 77000 Euro. I would definetely choose the M3 over the Boxster ANYTIME.).
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Gnil said:
MMD If you had to choose one , would it be the Carrera or the M3 ?
If do get tempted by the new M3 for a change, but would I be dissapointed ?
too bad new M3 is so obviously styled to look aggressive; IMO, has kind of a 20-something appeal now. Would kinda feel silly driving a new one; I definitely have to get a darker color to tone down the fabulous I'm-a-dangerous-reptile styling.
Jul 7, 2007 5:02:35 PM
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MMD said:IOW, if the M3 is a pig so is the 997S (sorry to say it that way).
Unfortunately true in both cases. The 997 is the more satisfying drive due to where all that excessive weight is placed though...
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Jul 8, 2007 12:27:04 AM
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Damian said:
Ron- your comment along with others has me interested in driving an RS4. A friend with a chipped A4 2.0T told me the other day that he is bored with it because the Quattro AWD is TOO evenly distributed dry pavement 50%/50% front/rear.... apparently the RS4 employs modified quattro system compared to A4/ S4, giving the RS4 a greater rear-drive bias for more hardcore traditional sports car handling dynamics.
Jul 8, 2007 11:47:05 AM
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Ron (Houston) said:
Strange but I feel as though AUDI is making their cars sportier (performance wise) now a days to grab more customers from BMW and MB.
) last week to visit the Audi factory. I was told there that AUdi is aiming to be the number one premium car constructor by 2015 ( that means be above BMW and Mercedes)
Jul 8, 2007 12:52:09 PM
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Damian said:
Ron- your comment along with others has me interested in driving an RS4. A friend with a chipped A4 2.0T told me the other day that he is bored with it because the Quattro AWD is TOO evenly distributed dry pavement 50%/50% front/rear.... apparently the RS4 employs modified quattro system compared to A4/ S4, giving the RS4 a greater rear-drive bias for more hardcore traditional sports car handling dynamics.
I don't believe the 2.0T is a Quattro their 3.2 however is.
I did test drive a S4 with paddle shifter and from the get go I could tell that S4 was a totally different animal than the standard A4 models. I can imagine that RS4 would be in a different class all together.
Jul 8, 2007 1:20:40 PM
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Jul 8, 2007 10:01:27 PM
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The current R8 is a nice looking car (I was "chasing" one with IN license plates last week on the A96) but otherwise, I don't know. I was driving a fully fueled Cayenne Turbo S with my whole family in it and the R8 gained around 50 meters only from 160 to 270 kph (speedo). After the (older) guy had me two or three times in his rear view mirror at speedo speeds around 270 kph, he "gave up" and let me pass slowly. My wife looked at his face, she told me that he seemed very annoyed. After driving behind me for a few km, he took the next exit.
Jul 9, 2007 10:09:40 AM
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Ron (Houston) said:
I'm surprised that nobody mentions the RS4 in comparison. To me RS4 is sportier than the M3 however I would take either one both, as MMD said, do the job admirably.
Strange but I feel as though AUDI is making their cars sportier (performance wise) now a days to grab more customers from BMW and MB.
so I'd have an RS4 anyday over the current M3.
- she hated the Porsche sports seats so much that was the main reason I sold my 3.2 Boxster early for the 3.4 with standard electric memory seats which she loves). The no-cost optional Recaro's much better, for me anyway.
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RC said:
The current R8 is a nice looking car (I was "chasing" one with IN license plates last week on the A96) but otherwise, I don't know. I was driving a fully fueled Cayenne Turbo S with my whole family in it and the R8 gained around 50 meters only from 160 to 270 kph (speedo). After the (older) guy had me two or three times in his rear view mirror at speedo speeds around 270 kph, he "gave up" and let me pass slowly. My wife looked at his face, she told me that he seemed very annoyed. After driving behind me for a few km, he took the next exit.
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RC said:
The current R8 is a nice looking car (I was "chasing" one with IN license plates last week on the A96) but otherwise, I don't know. I was driving a fully fueled Cayenne Turbo S with my whole family in it and the R8 gained around 50 meters only from 160 to 270 kph (speedo). After the (older) guy had me two or three times in his rear view mirror at speedo speeds around 270 kph, he "gave up" and let me pass slowly. My wife looked at his face, she told me that he seemed very annoyed. After driving behind me for a few km, he took the next exit.
hahahah! That is an awesome story
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RC said:
The current R8 is a nice looking car (I was "chasing" one with IN license plates last week on the A96) but otherwise, I don't know. I was driving a fully fueled Cayenne Turbo S with my whole family in it and the R8 gained around 50 meters only from 160 to 270 kph (speedo). After the (older) guy had me two or three times in his rear view mirror at speedo speeds around 270 kph, he "gave up" and let me pass slowly. My wife looked at his face, she told me that he seemed very annoyed. After driving behind me for a few km, he took the next exit.
hahahah! That is an awesome story
Indeed... RC CTS is probably the fastest Cayenne in Germany since he said to us that his old Cayenne Turbo was almost faster then F430 Spider on similar encounter on German autobahn...
Do not get me wrong here-either is RC driving faster then 98% of other drivers or he is simply lucky enought to catch up with incompetent drivers in F430 Spider or R8...
F430 spider and the outcome was different. 
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I fully agree with RC's commnets in his post. And Ziggy was also right-R8 do indeed lack little bit on raw straight line power. But, the way it drives... Simply awsome IMHO.
Porsche does know him and the influence he wields, so it would not seem very illogical to me if he got a "special" ECU program at his first service. That's the only way I can see the CTTS tying a 430 and staying right on the R8's rear. Would be interesting to see how his car performs against the 2008 CTT.
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KresoF1 said:
Ziggy,
To end this debate if you(RC or me) drive an F430 Spider and R8 against Cayenne Turbo S and if either of us(in F430 Spider or R8) use all the power(revs) outcome is pretty clear-Cayenne Turbo S do not have any chance at all.
Of course, it is only my opinion...
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