Closethrot:Boy!!,, Perez needed that one, thought he drove a great race and at last, showed some aggression.
I am pleased for him, I think this is the confidence booster he needed
Agreed !! it takes balls to pull off those passes on this daunting track against those strong Ferraris. The drivers - almost all - looked world class out there.
truly a great race. now Singapore, a train of boredom which should be dropped from the calendar.
So Sainz was mugged outside his hotel after the race for his watch. But he and his manager and trainer ran down the 3 thieves and caught them and had them arrested and recovered the watch. Wow.
He was staying at the Armani Hotel in Milano, I stayed there before and is intimate with the area. It is reported that the thieves were casing the hotel all day. Lovely hotel in a lovely area and I never once thought I wasn't safe going in and out of it. But then again when we walked out to go shopping, we didn't carrying anything back either, all the stores delivered the merchandise straight to our hotel room, if not just ship it straight back to Canada for us.
Sep 5, 2023 12:22:30 PM
Apparently I missed this at the Belgian GP....
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cv2wMT7MRI0/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
We sure there was no team orders 
I thought Leclerc backed off after his aggressive attempt ?
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Indeed, could of ended up another embarrassing day 
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Come on guys, who's the fastest on the grid in a equal car.
Its still the big question that's ask on the media
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There is no 'fastest' guy on the grid in equal cars. It's all subjective. With qualifiers, lots of qualifiers.
There is however, fastest guy in HIS car.
You won't find a single racing driver that says oh that other driver is faster than me. They all thin they are the fastest.
Mazepin included.
Closest we can get to equal cars would be between teammates in the same team. But even then the car still play a difference. While the team provide a base car to the drivers, each driver and their crew will set it up as much to the driver's preference as possible within the framework.
Between teammates, we can at least call which one is the quicker one. It is universally accepted that Max is miles ahead of Perez. But if we put those two into a more neutral car that's not designed to lean into any one driver's preference, say a Ferrari or a Mercedes, Max would still come out on top, but not by as much.
Take Ricciardo for example, when he was teammates with Max, they are just about neck and neck. The Red Bull back then wasn't as loose a race car as it is now. And Ricciardo much much prefer to drive a slightly understeering car, or less active rear end, old school. That's not a setup preferred by Max. When Ricciardo got to McLaren, they have a modern new style loose car, that Lando prefers, and Ricciardo is having a hard time adjusting to that. He didn't all of a sudden became a 'bad' driver from switching teams. Ricciardo is famous for his late braking and and tight turn ins, in a loose car he just lose too much control under braking and unable to perform to his fullest.
So even when in 'equal' cars, there will still be qualifiers.
Formula 1 is a combo sport, each driver has to be talked and discussed WITH his car.
But to entertain the original question, say everyone drive Max's Red Bull. Leclerc, Sainz, Norris, Russell, Albon, Hamilton, Alonso all would be extremely close to Max's time, but Max ultimately will come out on top as the fastest simply because the car was tailor made to him. I suspect Lando would come closest, the Leclerc and Sainz and Russell. I have to think Alonso and Hamilton would fall in behind the young guys for sure, first it's the older age difference, another would be Hamilton is sort of old school, he prefers a more stable rear end car.
Send them all the McLaren and Lando might come out on top, simply because the car isn't set up for Max.
Whoopsy:There is no 'fastest' guy on the grid in equal cars. It's all subjective. With qualifiers, lots of qualifiers.
There is however, fastest guy in HIS car.
You won't find a single racing driver that says oh that other driver is faster than me. They all thin they are the fastest.
Mazepin included.
Closest we can get to equal cars would be between teammates in the same team. But even then the car still play a difference. While the team provide a base car to the drivers, each driver and their crew will set it up as much to the driver's preference as possible within the framework.
Between teammates, we can at least call which one is the quicker one. It is universally accepted that Max is miles ahead of Perez. But if we put those two into a more neutral car that's not designed to lean into any one driver's preference, say a Ferrari or a Mercedes, Max would still come out on top, but not by as much.
Take Ricciardo for example, when he was teammates with Max, they are just about neck and neck. The Red Bull back then wasn't as loose a race car as it is now. And Ricciardo much much prefer to drive a slightly understeering car, or less active rear end, old school. That's not a setup preferred by Max. When Ricciardo got to McLaren, they have a modern new style loose car, that Lando prefers, and Ricciardo is having a hard time adjusting to that. He didn't all of a sudden became a 'bad' driver from switching teams. Ricciardo is famous for his late braking and and tight turn ins, in a loose car he just lose too much control under braking and unable to perform to his fullest.
So even when in 'equal' cars, there will still be qualifiers.
Formula 1 is a combo sport, each driver has to be talked and discussed WITH his car.
But to entertain the original question, say everyone drive Max's Red Bull. Leclerc, Sainz, Norris, Russell, Albon, Hamilton, Alonso all would be extremely close to Max's time, but Max ultimately will come out on top as the fastest simply because the car was tailor made to him. I suspect Lando would come closest, the Leclerc and Sainz and Russell. I have to think Alonso and Hamilton would fall in behind the young guys for sure, first it's the older age difference, another would be Hamilton is sort of old school, he prefers a more stable rear end car.
Send them all the McLaren and Lando might come out on top, simply because the car isn't set up for Max.
Couldn't agree more... that quite sums it up
Shaich:Whoopsy:There is no 'fastest' guy on the grid in equal cars. It's all subjective. With qualifiers, lots of qualifiers.
There is however, fastest guy in HIS car.
You won't find a single racing driver that says oh that other driver is faster than me. They all thin they are the fastest.
Mazepin included.
Closest we can get to equal cars would be between teammates in the same team. But even then the car still play a difference. While the team provide a base car to the drivers, each driver and their crew will set it up as much to the driver's preference as possible within the framework.
Between teammates, we can at least call which one is the quicker one. It is universally accepted that Max is miles ahead of Perez. But if we put those two into a more neutral car that's not designed to lean into any one driver's preference, say a Ferrari or a Mercedes, Max would still come out on top, but not by as much.
Take Ricciardo for example, when he was teammates with Max, they are just about neck and neck. The Red Bull back then wasn't as loose a race car as it is now. And Ricciardo much much prefer to drive a slightly understeering car, or less active rear end, old school. That's not a setup preferred by Max. When Ricciardo got to McLaren, they have a modern new style loose car, that Lando prefers, and Ricciardo is having a hard time adjusting to that. He didn't all of a sudden became a 'bad' driver from switching teams. Ricciardo is famous for his late braking and and tight turn ins, in a loose car he just lose too much control under braking and unable to perform to his fullest.
So even when in 'equal' cars, there will still be qualifiers.
Formula 1 is a combo sport, each driver has to be talked and discussed WITH his car.
But to entertain the original question, say everyone drive Max's Red Bull. Leclerc, Sainz, Norris, Russell, Albon, Hamilton, Alonso all would be extremely close to Max's time, but Max ultimately will come out on top as the fastest simply because the car was tailor made to him. I suspect Lando would come closest, the Leclerc and Sainz and Russell. I have to think Alonso and Hamilton would fall in behind the young guys for sure, first it's the older age difference, another would be Hamilton is sort of old school, he prefers a more stable rear end car.
Send them all the McLaren and Lando might come out on top, simply because the car isn't set up for Max.
Couldn't agree more... that quite sums it up
Indeed, well put
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Not sure how Toto think this is going to help his case on Abu Dhabi.
Massa is looking to over turn the Singapore results. But what can the FIA do? If they do what they did the year before, aka McLaren Spygate, that just means Renault will have points taken away but the driver keep the points, so the final driver standings stays the same.
If he wants the Renault drivers excluded, that means Hamilton move up one spot to finish 2nd instead of 3rd, he wins by more points on the 2008 title.
Perhaps Massa wants the whole race invalidated, then Hamilton would have scored no points there and Massa can win the title that way.
I explained before, even if Mercedes successfully appealed, the end result would be the FIA invalidate the Abu Dhabi race, and Max still wins the title with the tie-breaker, there is no avenue for Hamilton to take the 2021 title.
I mean while there is official word that specified the FIA made mistakes during the race, unlike in the Massa case where it was just comments from a podcast, there is simply no way for the FIA to make Hamilton the winner there and win the title, especially when Red Bull and Verstappen did nothing wrong, unlike the Renaults in 2008.
It would be funny if Massa take one title away from Hamilton then Hamilton take one away from Verstappen, and I wonder how much swearing Verstappen is going to do to Massa as effectively it means Massa stole one from Verstappen. Not going to happen though.
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