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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Spyderidol:

    My father had a blue/ red combination Super 90 cab in the 50's. Amazing!

    It's a wonderful color combination but it is so rare.  That's the surprising part to me.


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZkTroND8h4


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    If Porsche offered a 991 GT3 Komfort (a sort of de-spec'd 991 R but WITH back seats), I would be a buyer in a heart-beat. Some of us have to live in large cities where it is practically difficult to have more than 2 cars, so my 2nd car also needs to be somewhat practical so one can go out with the kids in the back on the weekend. The back says are a binary issue for me and am sure I am not alone in this. Also, don't gauge me on pricing just because a bunch of speculators are pushing prices up. This car I would keep for the longer term, last of the NA engines, would be a great.


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    jamal al marri:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZkTroND8h4

    Posted earlier on page 27


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    SportCarGroup:
    jamal al marri:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZkTroND8h4

    Posted earlier on page 27

    My bad!


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Saw a short video review of it on Evo,  sounded good, had impressive performance.  I would not worry about the 991.2


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAArdVDL4vU


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Nice video. My first 911 was that color and also a manual. Thirty years ago. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Above is that 991.2 ancestor, in 1961 Super 90 Roadster form...


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    JimFlat6:

    Saw a short video review of it on Evo,  sounded good, had impressive performance.  I would not worry about the 991.2

    Let me supply the link.  This one?   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft6MbJsH83Q


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    My sales guy  was in Tenerife for official test drives . He said, there was also an AMG GT-S, BMW's , Jaguar etc.... to test drive along . The only other car he realy liked besides the Carrera , was te AMG GT-S . Loads of fun when you turn the driving aids off .

    Anyway, his driving impressions of the Carrera S, where '' positive'' . Sound on normal is .... silent, very silent, nothing . On sports it sounds inside very nice, with loads of growl .  The torque is good and nice and make the car feel very fast, but.... you get much too quick to red line and gear change and this is not nice .....


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     964 Carrera 4 /  997.2 C2 ,  -20mm /  991 GT3 RS 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Gnil:

    My sales guy  was in Tenerife for official test drives . He said, there was also an AMG GT-S, BMW's , Jaguar etc.... to test drive along . The only other car he realy liked besides the Carrera , was te AMG GT-S . Loads of fun when you turn the driving aids off .

    Funny, all of the people attending the event said the same. Smiley They couldn't care less about the other cars (BMW, Jaguar, etc).

    Anyway, his driving impressions of the Carrera S, where '' positive'' . Sound on normal is .... silent, very silent, nothing . On sports it sounds inside very nice, with loads of growl .  The torque is good and nice and make the car feel very fast, but.... you get much too quick to red line and gear change and this is not nice .....

    Mostly a problem with manual. PDK in auto mode is perfect.

    Car without sport exhaust is indeed quite quiet and the worst part seems to be the fact that the sport exhaust is, according to rumors, not retrofittable. So if you don't get it, you're stuck with the quieter sound. Even worse: According to engineers, aftermarket solutions will be difficult to implement because they will cause a "dent" (whatever this means) in the power and torque curve. Apparently the new sport exhaust required a lot of developing work and some changes in the architecture and length of the pipes (sorry, don't know the correct English word for it). Long story short: It took the engineers a lot of work to find the right sound with the right configuration.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    991.2 sport exhaust is very expensive .. in the UK, it's a £1773 option


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    A decent aftermarket system will probably be more than that..


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    sfo:

    991.2 sport exhaust is very expensive .. in the UK, it's a £1773 option

    That's actually quite cheap...


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    New Porsche website update. To be honest I am not entirely sure if this is new or not.

     

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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAmwIi-U09I


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhYppXRycyo

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Topspeed:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhYppXRycyo

    And lag there is ... :(


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    987er:
    Topspeed:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhYppXRycyo

    And lag there is ... :(

    There will always be lag and non-linear throttle response with turbocharging.  It can be reduced, but not eliminated.  The new electric turbos claim to eliminate lag, but even if true, that is a form of supercharging rather than pure turbocharging.


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    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    I don't see anything to complain about.  It's like a GIANT Christmas present for all Porsche lovers.  Twin Turbo for all!  How great is that?  I would have never suspected that anyone would complain about that.  Have your cake and eat it too.  The older NA models including GTS will drop like flies (price wise) once the new cars are in peoples hands - especially once the 992 comes out.  They will not be collectibles for a LONG time if EVER since there were so many built and current cars will be so much better.  A base Carrera with a PDK would be a great second car for me when I just need to get from A to B or to the lake.

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Leawood911:

    I don't see anything to complain about. 

    The thing worth complaining about is the lack of choice.  Used to be big turbo power and torque for those who wanted it and razor sharp throttle response and high revs that lets you balance a RWD 911 right on the edge by steering with small metered doses of the throttle pedal, for those who wanted that.  Also sucks that there is no 911 for anyone on a reasonable budget or for someone who doesn't want a whale of a car (park a 991 next to a 993 or older some time)...


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    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Turbocharging, supercharging, and all that:

    1) Turbocharging is a form of supercharging; 2) it so happens that when the supercharger is driven by hot exhaust gases spinning a turbine, it is called turbocharging; 3) all of these are technically (i.e., in engineering speak) "charge compounding", with "supercharging" being the less technical moniker.

    2) Electrically driven / assisted turbos (or for that matter electrically driven superchargers) can do what a traditional mechanically driven supercharger can't do, namely, spin up "in anticipation" of demand; i.e., ahead of engine speed.

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    KMM:

    Electrically driven / assisted turbos (or for that matter electrically driven superchargers) can do what a traditional mechanically driven supercharger can't do, namely, spin up "in anticipation" of demand; i.e., ahead of engine speed.

    Good point - should be interesting to try this technology


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    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Grant:
    KMM:

    Electrically driven / assisted turbos (or for that matter electrically driven superchargers) can do what a traditional mechanically driven supercharger can't do, namely, spin up "in anticipation" of demand; i.e., ahead of engine speed.

    Good point - should be interesting to try this technology

    Looks like Porsche's sister companies are starting to show that technology roadmap with greater clarity:   http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/audi-plots-new-petrol-electric-hybrid-powertrain-2017

    The Bentley Bentayga has a 48 volt system for its active roll bar system; this is one of the first production applications in the Volkswagen Group.   Perhaps, a bit of 48 volt magic will be seen on the 991.2 Turbo. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Turbo S is here

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t_d3-iA36s


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Very interesting video. 

    I wondering how they made it - the car drives fast and the camera goes all around. Maybe the whole thing is computer graphics? yes


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Nice! Love the new LED-headlights. They got rid of that "led-ring" and now it looks more agressive with 4 bigger LED-dots as DRL kiss


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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZVlLBdyoAM


     
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