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    Next Porsche Product Line

    Can anyone guess what car will go to the right side of the picture next ?

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    I know I'm going to get the axe for this but I'm one of the few who would like a 3 series competitor. 

    angry


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    I wanna see that Panamera GT, but I guess thats the Macan now. Then a front engined coupe finally.. what's taking so long..


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    It will be a smaller  4 door sedan  ( baby  Panamera )….. according to some rumors I heard a few month back . 


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    928 GT please!


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    I think Porsche really needs to be careful not to destroy the brand by offering models in all possible product categories.

    Yes, a smaller four door would make sense but I wouldn't build it. The Macan already dilutes the brand A LOT, so I would leave it to that because the Macan is a SUV. It could get worse with a sporty four door sedan.

    I would however build the 960 (some sort of model slightly "above" the 991 Turbo/Turbo S) and even more a 2-door coupe based on the next gen Panamera.

    At some point, Porsche yearly production output will be close to 200k cars, this is more than enough for them if they want to keep the brand value. If they go Audi all the way, Porsche will loose value at some point and become "just another" Audi/BMW substitute. Not sure if VW can be interested in doing that. I doubt it.

    To be honest: I would have made the Macan the new Cayenne. A Cayenne Sport as a smaller version (like the current Macan) and a Cayenne GT as the larger version (like the current Cayenne). The Cayenne Sport would get the smaller V6 engines and the less sophisticated AWD system and the Cayenne GT some V8 engines and a better AWD system for serious off-roading. 

    The Macan will seriously dilute the Porsche brand, I just hope they are aware of it. Another "Mini" version of a current car, like the four door sedan ("Mini" version of the Panamera) could hurt Porsche badly. Yes, it would sell well, no doubt about it but at the same time, it could kill the sports car business for good. Unless they make their sports cars so good that people cannot ignore them. Not easy.


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    RC:

    The Macan will seriously dilute the Porsche brand, I just hope they are aware of it. Another "Mini" version of a current car, like the four door sedan ("Mini" version of the Panamera) could hurt Porsche badly. Yes, it would sell well, no doubt about it but at the same time, it could kill the sports car business for good. Unless they make their sports cars so good that people cannot ignore them. Not easy.

    I think they've already done that, otherwise we wouldn't all be here.   Smiley


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    fritz:
    RC:

    The Macan will seriously dilute the Porsche brand, I just hope they are aware of it. Another "Mini" version of a current car, like the four door sedan ("Mini" version of the Panamera) could hurt Porsche badly. Yes, it would sell well, no doubt about it but at the same time, it could kill the sports car business for good. Unless they make their sports cars so good that people cannot ignore them. Not easy.

    I think they've already done that, otherwise we wouldn't all be here.   Smiley

    Even for me, as a diehard Porsche lover, some products are hard to swallow. Like a Cayenne V6/Diesel or the corresponding Panamera models. Even the new downsized twin turbo V6 are not what I really wanted to see in a Panamera or Cayenne. I know that Porsche is under a lot of pressure here regarding environmental regulations but still...not a fan. For me, the 991 Turbo S has "borderline" performance. I wouldn't accept less in this price class. 

    Yes, I like the Macan but only the Turbo version and only because I think that the price/value ratio is better compared to the Cayenne. This doesn't mean I am in love with the Macan and quite frankly, I wouldn't get one if a Cayenne with the same performance would cost the same.


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    Mid-engine exotic


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    RC:

    The Macan will seriously dilute the Porsche brand, I just hope they are aware of it.

     

    the price point is Boxster/Cayman, so not unknown territory for Porsche.


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    Whatever it is, now that the Macan has been introduced, the next model cannot be a lower segment model r for salon, baby bitter, etc) otherwise they risk devaluating their brand image  to much IMO. Not saying they won't down the line, but the next one is likely to be the 960 or the like. That's my guess anyway


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    Carlos from Spain:

    Whatever it is, now that the Macan has been introduced, the next model cannot be a lower segment model r for salon, baby bitter, etc) otherwise they risk devaluating their brand image  to much IMO. Not saying they won't down the line, but the next one is likely to be the 960 or the like. That's my guess anyway

    Makes a lot of sense. Smiley

     


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    They have to wait until they sell all the 918's and the successive versions of that platform before announcing the 960, since a 960 is going to make the 918 mostly irrelevant (the price/performance ratio of the 960 is going to destroy that of the 918 if rumors are true).


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    RC:

    I think Porsche really needs to be careful not to destroy the brand by offering models in all possible product categories.

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)

    +1.  Absolutely agree with you.


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    Too late for that...


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    SciFrog:

    Too late for that...

    Not yet but it is very close to it. After the Macan, they need to show the "other side" of Porsche. A 960 would be nice, same goes to the 991 GT3 RS. I would also expect a 2-door coupe a la 928 but I'm not so sure it will come.


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    Sorry but in the US in some areas Porsche are not considered that exclusive anymore... You can see Cayennes everywhere...


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    SciFrog:

    Sorry but in the US in some areas Porsche are not considered that exclusive anymore... You can see Cayennes everywhere...

    Some areas are not all areas. Smiley


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    The only two models I can see happening (though my rose coloured glasses) that would BOLSTER as opposed to weaken the brand would be a 960 (mid-engined, more basic 918 with an NA V8) and a Panamera GT / 928 successor.

    The 960 competing against the 458/MP-12 and using a carbon tub which would become the architecture of the following generation of Lamborghini/Audi R8 would sell more units than a GT2 and yes would cannibalize some sales from Lamborghini and Audi but I suspect that the whole VW group would be willing to go from a 30% market share across 2 models to a 40-45% market share across 3 cars… (Or whatever the market share would be). Price it a bit above where the GT2 would have been (as in right around the Ferrari), 2 wheel drive, 585 or so hp.

    A 928 successor using the Panamera/Bentley chassis with the full slate of v8 to compete against the Bentley, Aston, MB CL, maybe Ferrari FF in a turboS guise, M6, etc.

    You could probably sell a few thousand each of those per year (probably a bit more than than that, mid single digit thousands, for the 928 successor). 


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    It will never happen but I'd like to see a proper small narrow 2 seat lightweight sports car:  under 1000kg, 300-350 bhp flat 6, naturally aspirated, mid engine, no power steering, no creature comforts, bucket seats, the option of 6 speed manual or PDK,  16" to 17" wheels with about 45 section tyres, short final drive to promote acceleration over top speed, no adaptive anything and no endless acronyms.  Imagine the purity of a Lotus with the dependability of a Porsche and that iconic engine note.  Oh, and some decent aero unlike Lotus.

     

     


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    GR:

    It will never happen but I'd like to see a proper small narrow 2 seat lightweight sports car:  under 1000kg, 300-350 bhp flat 6, naturally aspirated, mid engine, no power steering, no creature comforts, bucket seats, the option of 6 speed manual or PDK,  16" to 17" wheels with about 45 section tyres, short final drive to promote acceleration over top speed, no adaptive anything and no endless acronyms.  Imagine the purity of a Lotus with the dependability of a Porsche and that iconic engine note.  Oh, and some decent aero unlike Lotus.

    Sign me up Smiley


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    Grant:
    GR:

    It will never happen but I'd like to see a proper small narrow 2 seat lightweight sports car:  under 1000kg, 300-350 bhp flat 6, naturally aspirated, mid engine, no power steering, no creature comforts, bucket seats, the option of 6 speed manual or PDK,  16" to 17" wheels with about 45 section tyres, short final drive to promote acceleration over top speed, no adaptive anything and no endless acronyms.  Imagine the purity of a Lotus with the dependability of a Porsche and that iconic engine note.  Oh, and some decent aero unlike Lotus.

    Sign me up Smiley

    +1!!


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    The brand is diluting ….. just look at the prices of older 2nd hand Cayenne or Cayman .  I have seen a Cayenne Turbo for  EUR : 10'000 .-  ,  a Cayman for EUR 5'000 .-  , 

    I agree , Porsche needs to spend energy on more exclusive products . I do not want Porsche to become the new BMW …..  

    For the moment , the products have stayed better then the others . Lots hope for a  ' 960' or a 928 successor .


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    Grant:

    They have to wait until they sell all the 918's and the successive versions of that platform before announcing the 960, since a 960 is going to make the 918 mostly irrelevant (the price/performance ratio of the 960 is going to destroy that of the 918 if rumors are true).


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    This is indeed a problem but the 960 will not put any (performance) dent on the 918 for quite some while. 0-200 kph time is rumored slightly under 9 seconds, the Nordschleife could be done in 7:10 or so, so there is a wide enough performance gap between the 960 and the 918. The power figure will have a 6 at the beginning, this is all I heard. Let's just hope this car is coming, price tag was rumored around 250k but I'm not sure if this is with or without options (knowing Porsche, I rather think without options Smiley). Of course...as always...rumors. Testing however already started, just keep in mind R8 and Cabrera (if this is going to be the name, apparently there is still some discussion going on) development and Porsche's more or less involvement in it.


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    Gnil:

    It will be a smaller  4 door sedan  ( baby  Panamera )….. according to some rumors I heard a few month back .

    Confirm - heard the same from Stutgart! Based on the VW B-Platform (which is used for so many cars at VW, Audi, Skoda, Seat, ...). Also it will be a complete line - Sedan, Coupe, Convertible, Cross-Over, etc..... something competing with the BMW 3/4 series.


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    Gnil:

    The brand is diluting ….. just look at the prices of older 2nd hand Cayenne or Cayman .  I have seen a Cayenne Turbo for  EUR : 10'000 .-  ,  a Cayman for EUR 5'000 .-  , 

    I agree , Porsche needs to spend energy on more exclusive products . I do not want Porsche to become the new BMW …..  

    For the moment , the products have stayed better then the others . Lots hope for a  ' 960' or a 928 successor .

    It will dilute more and more -easy reasoning, they build cars not out of passion, they build it to make money. And simple as that - there is a lot of growth potential.


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    agree - Porsche goes for volume - hence need to attract with segments below 100k to reach "masses" - I am sure we will see a lot of Macan's in the 50k price range in the VERY near future....- if you then made the money there like with the cayenne in the past - you can invest in a couple of "crazy" projects to please the rich/er.


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    In UK, they have around 30 dealerships - with combined sales of around ~700 new cars per month. Therefore each dealership is selling around 24 cars/month. Not sure how sustainable this is given many of the sites are Porsche GB  owned rather than franchises. My local OPC must have around 10 sales staff who are exclusively split between new/used - probably 7 used to 3 new. So presumably, target must be 2 cars per week to make OTE. 

    Seems a lot of effort for such a low volume. Porsche have to increase sales in the UK IMO and each OPC is more than capable of accommodating twice the volume at a guess.


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    I think a smaller sedan is inevitable. The symmetry is inescapable. I appreciate the concern over brand dilution, but the sports cars have managed to stand apart from the rest of the offerings in my opinion. I see Cayennes every day and unless its a Turbo or GTS they just  blend in with the rest of the traffic. Not so with any of the sports cars which distinguish themselves among the traffic without difficulty. Unless Porsche deluges every conceivable market niche the brand value should remain intact.


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    Lars997:
    Gnil:

    The brand is diluting ….. just look at the prices of older 2nd hand Cayenne or Cayman .  I have seen a Cayenne Turbo for  EUR : 10'000 .-  ,  a Cayman for EUR 5'000 .-  , 

    I agree , Porsche needs to spend energy on more exclusive products . I do not want Porsche to become the new BMW …..  

    For the moment , the products have stayed better then the others . Lots hope for a  ' 960' or a 928 successor .

    It will dilute more and more -easy reasoning, they build cars not out of passion, they build it to make money. And simple as that - there is a lot of growth potential.

    Certainly true but worth mentioning that the above two models were developed under Wiedeking and are perfect examples for his strategy's deficits. In both cases the price unfortunately reflects the (lacking) appreciation these models receive on the market.


     
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