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May 25, 2014 1:05:14 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12669, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: 2014 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

Carlos from Spain:

At the very end of the Q3, Rosberg having the best lap time of the session so far "lost control" of his car and went into a run off area which caused yellow flags, etc and ruined Hamilton's flying lap who was behind him and he was beating Rosberg's sector timmings attempting to beat Rosberg's lap for the pole at that time. After that lap there was no more time in the session for Hamilton to make another attempt.

Very unfair for Hamilton who seems like deserved the pole, and did not get it because Rosberg made a mistake right were he could ruin Hamilton's last lap attempt, though I think it was unintentional but you never know. So it will be a heated first lap it seems...

Thank you, Carlos. Smiley

Sounds a lot like a typical "Schuhmacher-manoeuvre", only that it's Rosberg this time. Smiley

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May 25, 2014 6:45:49 PM

mp: Pilot; Loc: New York, USA; Posts: 361, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 4, 2006; Reply to: Rossi

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Michael was penalized but Rosberg wasn't. Can anyone know for certain what was intentional or not? I really like Rosberg but this was just too convenient for him.

F1 can't let qualifying end this way. Just not fair to the others. Perhaps they should just extend the session after clearing the track? The one causing the incident could be prevented from continuing as a penalty.

Hamilton seems to be questioning every decision made by his team manager? Not cool or professional IMO. He should simply drive and try to keep his mouth shut - especially to the media, regarding Rosberg. Again, not cool.

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May 25, 2014 7:40:31 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 20994, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: mp

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Its imposible to tell if intentional or not, it wasn't as obvoious as when Schumi did it. Nevertheless that decided not only the qualifying but also the sunday race result as well. With the safety car right when the only pitstop of the race was planed, Hamilton had no chance at winning the race against another Mercedes. Should he had gotten the pole, he would have won as well IMO.

That said, I don't fell sorry for any of the two had it gone either way, they have it much too easy this year with the ridiculous car advantage they have of the rest of the drivers this season. Its basically a two driver championship broken heart Just look at the classification so far

1	Nico Rosberg	German	Mercedes	122
2	Lewis Hamilton	British	Mercedes	118
3	Fernando Alonso	Spanish	Ferrari	61
4	Daniel Ricciardo	Australian	Red Bull Racing-Renault	54
5	Nico Hulkenberg	German	Force India-Mercedes	47
6	Sebastian Vettel	German	Red Bull Racing-Renault	45
7	Valtteri Bottas	Finnish	Williams-Mercedes	34
8	Jenson Button	British	McLaren-Mercedes	31
9	Kevin Magnussen	Danish	McLaren-Mercedes	21
10	Sergio Perez	Mexican	Force India-Mercedes	20
11	Felipe Massa	Brazilian	Williams-Mercedes	18
12	Kimi Räikkönen	Finnish	Ferrari	17

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May 25, 2014 9:20:11 PM

kashmir: Senior; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 596, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 18, 2004; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

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Just came back from the track.

Good race. Season will be a little like the big 80s McLaren seasons. Duel of 2 drivers. I doubt that Rosberg did that brake incident on purpose. Anyhow there is a "war" at Mercedes, and I don't think it started just yesterday after Q3.

Beside Nico/Lewis...great drives by Raikkonen, Ricciardo and Hulkenberg. So sorry that Kimi's race had been destroyed by a Marussia during safety car.

To follow-up on the 2014 F1 noise discussion....it's worse than I expected. Really silent in sense of non-present/non-dominant. I watched (listened) the cars from several occasions. Really disappointing...very sportscar alike. GP2 seems almost to sound better.

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May 26, 2014 3:17:37 AM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: kashmir

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Calle it, Rosberg! He also signed a two year extension this weekend so he's very happy. I think it was unintentional, but let's just enjoy that this will be an open battle... Unlike at Ferrari where NO one would wanna watch anymore....

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May 26, 2014 1:53:52 PM

apias: Rennteam Pro; Loc: United States , United States; Posts: 2608, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 23, 2013; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: 2014 Monaco F1 Grand Prix

Carlos from Spain:

Its imposible to tell if intentional or not, it wasn't as obvoious as when Schumi did it. Nevertheless that decided not only the qualifying but also the sunday race result as well. With the safety car right when the only pitstop of the race was planed, Hamilton had no chance at winning the race against another Mercedes. Should he had gotten the pole, he would have won as well IMO.

That said, I don't fell sorry for any of the two had it gone either way, they have it much too easy this year with the ridiculous car advantage they have of the rest of the drivers this season. Its basically a two driver championship Just look at the classification so far ...

Just finally watched the recording since I wasn't able to watch the race, and their was some talk about about Rosberg's car having had the wrong air pressure in the tires during Q3, and that he was blaming his little "off" on that, although, it didn't seem to be a problem on the previous lap. But, we'll never really know...

The least interesting race of the season so far, although, that might have been in part due to the coverage which consisted mostly of the cameras following Hamilton following Rosberg, so one couldn't really see what sort of battles might be happening behind, although it didn't really seem like much. Then of course, when Hamilton got something in his eye and had to slow down, there ended up being no battle at the end, so, more than a bit of an anti-climax. But, certainly a two driver season, the rest of the drivers might as well stay home. At least, though, it's not a one driver season.

Ricciardo had a respectable race, all things considered, and Vettel seems to certainly be under some sort of curse this season -- I think someone previously mentioned that he got the "Weber car", so true.

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May 26, 2014 3:22:29 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59349, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: apias

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Hamilton never liked to play the second fiddle.

I heard that Mercedes decided to let Rosberg take the lead and continue the way to the championship, practically setting Hamilton back on purpose. I can imagine Hamilton isn't too pleased about it if true.

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May 26, 2014 4:06:56 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12113, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: RC

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"Lewis not happy finishing second is normal, but in the end he has to accept another guy was quicker. This is very simple in racing.

"What I did not like, and I have to say, and I will tell him this on Monday, is that when you are up there [on the podium] and you don't say hello to your team-mate, which Nico has always done, that is not good.

"It's not because I am well educated, but it's for the brand Mercedes. This is something I start to worry about now, but it's easy to fix."

The above is what Lauda had to say about Monaco.

Conclusion: Rosberg was simply faster and Hamilton showed bad manners something which M-B management don't like.

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May 26, 2014 4:35:40 PM

apias: Rennteam Pro; Loc: United States , United States; Posts: 2608, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 23, 2013; Reply to: reginos

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Hamilton has always been a bit petulant, and suffers from a sense of entitlement that comes from believing some of the hyperbole those around him have engaged in. I suppose the irony of his comments on Rosberg,

"I come from a not-great place in Stevenage and lived on a couch in my dad's apartment, and Nico grew up in Monaco with jets and hotels and boats and all these kind of things,"

is perhaps lost on him.

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May 26, 2014 6:47:17 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 20994, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: apias

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There is no competition between drivers from different teams but at least we can compare teammates with the same car... Hamilton is outperforming Ros so far, rookie Ricciardo outperforming the supposed champ Vettel, and Alonso is killing Kimi and 3rd in the championship with a Ferrari Smiley

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May 26, 2014 7:22:48 PM

throt: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 6062, Gallery; Registered on: May 9, 2005; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

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Didn't Brundle say that Rosberg reversed back towards the track in that narrow run off area, to make the yellow flag more probable. NR should just left his car at the furthest point, Q3 was done for him. That was the dodgy part for me.

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May 26, 2014 11:43:57 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 15813, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: throt

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Hamilton was/is never the favourite of F1, he will never get the 'preferred' treatment.

He is always the cocky one, plus being black doesn't help, sad, but true.

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May 27, 2014 5:57:52 AM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12113, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Whoopsy:

Hamilton was/is never the favourite of F1, he will never get the 'preferred' treatment.

He is always the cocky one, plus being black doesn't help, sad, but true.

I don't think this is an issue. He was a protege of Ron Dennis from a very early age and his colour was never a problem in the feeder series or in becoming established inF1.

Even those who racially discriminate are used to black people in sport. Half of the footballers are black, anyway.

Besides for those who pay attention to human classification, Hamilton is half-black, like Obama. If the world is used to a non-white President of the USA, why not to a F1 champion driver?

Personally, I'd like him to win this year. He is the better driver compared to Rosberg.

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May 27, 2014 11:59:23 AM

John H: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cheshire, UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 7680, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 20, 2005; Reply to: reginos

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+1 - totally agree with you... kiss

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May 27, 2014 12:15:22 PM

bridggar: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1219, Gallery; Registered on: May 25, 2007; Reply to: John H

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Does anyone believe that Mercedes success is likely to transpose into any meaningful increase in sales for the brand? Whilst I see some elements of F1 technology making it's way through to product lines from Ferrari & McLaren, I don't really get the Mercedes connections.

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May 27, 2014 2:36:07 PM

John H: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cheshire, UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 7680, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 20, 2005; Reply to: bridggar

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Give them time - they're new born babies!

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May 29, 2014 10:50:31 AM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: John H

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I would not expect Rosberg to engage in dirty tricks but he did use an engine boost setting in Bahrain that Mercedes had forbidden. Hamilton used it in Barcelona thinking, after Bahrain, anything goes.

As for qualification at Monaco, looking at the in car footage, it's clear that Rosberg was turning the steering from side to side many times well before his front right wheel locked so it is suspicious to say the least ... but there is no conclusive proof that it was deliberate. Hamilton assumed the worst since he is in a tight title battle. Comments that he should 'man up' by Derek Warwick or 'lose with dignity' by Mika Hakkinen would mean he should never question his rival's tactics. That's naive when a world championship is at stake.

Anyway, this was just one chapter in the title battle. It's a delicious fight for us to enjoy for the rest of the season ... plenty of twists and turns to come ...

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May 29, 2014 10:53:25 AM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: easy_rider911

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Very pleased to see Marussia score their first F1 points. Bravo! A pity it was 9th not 8th due to the 5 second penalty. Caterham seem to be really struggling by comparison.

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May 29, 2014 11:20:18 AM

KMM: Expert; Loc: Boston, MA , United States; Posts: 1743, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 5, 2004; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Whoopsy:

Hamilton was/is never the favourite of F1, he will never get the 'preferred' treatment.

He is always the cocky one, plus being black doesn't help, sad, but true.

This has nothing to do with his skin color; he's just an annoying character, imho.

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