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    Re: Aventador and SV

    very true ! Actually same experience with the TurboS - woshing by zero reaction - in the RS I get "the lights" for the same ...... - thanks to OPF a bit lesser indecision


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    BjoernB:

    very true ! Actually same experience with the TurboS - woshing by zero reaction - in the RS I get "the lights" for the same ...... - thanks to OPF a bit lesser indecision

    Funny that you mention the Turbo S. This was actually the reason I wanted my wife to get one. Smiley Smiley

    Too expensive though, Porsche Financial seems to have reevaluated residual values and lease cost is pretty expensive right now (for a car worth around 247k EUR, around 4000 EUR with 20k km per year, 36 months). Ouch.

    As an example: A G63 AMG, worth around 180k EUR, would be around 2700 EUR per month. Delivery time is more than 15 months. My sales guys could get me one in 13 months. Smiley I will get to test-drive one again end of this month but lease cost is way too high for me.

    Range Rover Sport SVR (worth around 158k EUR)? Special lease offer for 1300 EUR but with 10k km per year only.

    Also found three new Ferrari Portofino (not the latest announced model) for 2200 EUR a month. Not bad, wife is actually thinking about it.

    McLaren? Well, 600LT Spider offer was around 3500 EUR per month, we may get one for 3000. Speaking of 3000: This is what Porsche Financial asks for a 992.1 Carrera 4 Convertible worth around 185k EUR. Smiley

     


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    I would wait for the first +30% depreciation and then get one - reason for high leases is that OEMS have no more confidence in their own residual values after 3 years.... - actually Ferrari still has pretty confident "remaining value" calculations


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    BjoernB:

    I would wait for the first +30% depreciation and then get one - reason for high leases is that OEMS have no more confidence in their own residual values after 3 years.... - actually Ferrari still has pretty confident "remaining value" calculations

    You are right but the problem is that used Porsche have no really good lease offers, meaning that they might actually cost the same when you lease them...or even more. Smiley Smiley

     


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    Lamborghini SC20

    Lamborghini Squadra Corse presents the SC20, a unique specimen of an open-top track car type-approved for road use. The SC20 is the second one-off engineered by the motorsport department and designed by Centro Stile in Sant’Agata Bolognese: the car was created following the customer’s wishes, who was involved in the project from the very first drawings by Lamborghini’s designers.


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    When cars had a top speed of 40mph, lack of a windscreen was understandable. Now? It’s either artwork or for posing.


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    mcdelaug:

    When cars had a top speed of 40mph, lack of a windscreen was understandable. Now? It’s either artwork or for posing.

    Both? Smiley Smiley

    I love the Aventador. I adore the Sian (a piece of pure art). The SC20 looks weird. As if someone tried too hard. This car has too many corners and edges, I don't even know how to describe it. I get nervous (not in a positive way) just looking at it. Maybe it looks better in person but on the other hand, since this is one of those "one off" cars, does it really matter what I or anyone else thinks? Smiley Smiley


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    Looks like a Hot Wheels car. A positive if you're a kid, silly if you're an adult. 

    Then again I'm older than my years and stuffy compared to RC. I have a co-worker with an Aventador in grigio esotique? with brown leather interior and regular silver wheels and to my eyes it's the best looking one I've seen. But I'm a fan of brutes in suits or gangsters wearing Savile Row (Probably why I like Astons) as opposed to wearing a Vilebrequin swimsuit and a gold medallion. 


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    Mithras:

    Looks like a Hot Wheels car. A positive if you're a kid, silly if you're an adult. 

    Then again I'm older than my years and stuffy compared to RC. I have a co-worker with an Aventador in grigio esotique? with brown leather interior and regular silver wheels and to my eyes it's the best looking one I've seen. But I'm a fan of brutes in suits or gangsters wearing Savile Row (Probably why I like Astons) as opposed to wearing a Vilebrequin swimsuit and a gold medallion. 

    90% of the Lambo owners I met here in Bavaria are serious business people and/or even intellectuals. Smiley 

    The last one I met was around 40-50 and the most successful criminal trial lawyer in the region. Smiley No, I didn't need him Smiley, I just met him when he picked up his new car.

    The remaining 10% are usually people of foreign descent or the kind of people I wouldn't exactly associate myself with (30-60, tattoos, usually at least 20 years younger girlfriend in the upper age group Smiley). I haven't seen one of them with a gold watch or gold medallion but yes, one couple (he was over 60, she was under 30 Smiley) wore matching AP skeleton watches (each over 100k) and the other one (both around 30) had more tattoos than I have moles. Smiley

    I have photos of both (they kind of made it on my pics, don't know why Smiley) but of course I won't and wouldn't post them, not even with covered faces. My sales guy reads this forum, I do not want to put him in a difficult position. Smiley


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    Sorry, I didn't mean the person driving them, it was a metaphor for the car itself. the difference between these two even though they're the same car. I like the loud car in a Savile Row suit like the top, many others like the sense of occasion in the bottom. 


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    Mithras:

    Sorry, I didn't mean the person driving them, it was a metaphor for the car itself. the difference between these two even though they're the same car. I like the loud car in a Savile Row suit like the top, many others like the sense of occasion in the bottom. 

    This is the beauty of Lamborghini, you can go elegant or flashy. Smiley

    I think this is valid for Ferrari as well to some point. 


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    RC:

    This is the beauty of Lamborghini, you can go elegant or flashy. Smiley

    I think this is valid for Ferrari as well to some point. 

    A Lamborghini is loud, crotch high origami on wheels.  It is never elegant outside the very small world of a couple of car forums.  People who know nothing about cars would guess it is a brand ending in an "i" regardless of the color.


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    I don't know...if this one isn't elegant, what is it? Sporty? Nope. Flashy? Nope.

    aventador_lp700_roadster_66.jpg

    Btw: Basically 100% (no kidding) of the rich guys I know in our region own a Lamborghini. No matter if they drive mostly elegant cars (Bentley, RR, Aston Martin, etc.) or sporty cars. They have one Lambo in common: The Urus. It is amazing how well the Urus seems to sell in Germany considering it's design approach and price.

    Even die hard Ferrari owners (I know a guy who owns over a dozen Ferrari) own an Urus. Incredible.


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    Restrained?


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    Advise your rich friends to look at the Cullinan or even the new Bentayga(looks a bit better than first version). 

    The Urus is an SUV. Sporty and high sitting 2.5tons is not matching in a sane world. 


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    Pentium:

    Restrained?

    Smiley Smiley


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    the-missile:

    Advise your rich friends to look at the Cullinan or even the new Bentayga(looks a bit better than first version). 

    I have one friend who wanted to order the Cullinan but ordered the new Ghost instead. He also owns a F8 Tributo Spider and other cars. Smiley Bentayga? Bentley in general seems to be "dead" in these circles, I wonder why??? The last Continental looks good and is a good car. Smiley

    The Urus is an SUV. Sporty and high sitting 2.5tons is not matching in a sane world. 

    Drive it. You'd be surprised. I wish my Trackhawk had the agility of the Urus. 


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    There's very little "U" in the Urus's SUV. The footprint of the trunk is large but because the roof is so low there's not much room. Fine for some groceries but wouldn't hold my family of four's stuff going to our lake house for the weekend or a day of skiing. 


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    Mithras:

    There's very little "U" in the Urus's SUV. The footprint of the trunk is large but because the roof is so low there's not much room. Fine for some groceries but wouldn't hold my family of four's stuff going to our lake house for the weekend or a day of skiing. 

    This is why most Urus owners I know have a second (family) SUV. Smiley 

    The Trackhawk for example (hotel owner from Garmisch) or that lawyer I met in Munich a Range Rover Autobiography. 

    Cayenne and the new BMW X7 are also pretty common, also G63.

    Very large SUVs are quite uncommon in Germany, the X7 is a rare car here. Those XL US SUVs even rarer. 


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    RC:
    Mithras:

    There's very little "U" in the Urus's SUV. The footprint of the trunk is large but because the roof is so low there's not much room. Fine for some groceries but wouldn't hold my family of four's stuff going to our lake house for the weekend or a day of skiing. 

    This is why most Urus owners I know have a second (family) SUV. Smiley 

    I agree on the boot space versus the competition but on driving dynamics and performance   - the Urus is in a category of one. 


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    crayphile:
    RC:
    Mithras:

    There's very little "U" in the Urus's SUV. The footprint of the trunk is large but because the roof is so low there's not much room. Fine for some groceries but wouldn't hold my family of four's stuff going to our lake house for the weekend or a day of skiing. 

    This is why most Urus owners I know have a second (family) SUV. Smiley 

    I agree on the boot space versus the competition but on driving dynamics and performance   - the Urus is in a category of one. 

    Smiley It is. My Trackhawk is fast on straights but the Urus is like a SUV sports car, amazing curve capabilities for it's weight. I love the Urus, I wish I could afford one but it just didn't make sense for me (from a financial point of view).


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    Carfection drives the new Lamborghini Sian. Interesting comments on the supercapacitor hybrid system and transmission.  https://youtu.be/SFgLXZ9sKUc


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    CGX car nut:

    Carfection drives the new Lamborghini Sian. Interesting comments on the supercapacitor hybrid system and transmission.  https://youtu.be/SFgLXZ9sKUc

    Indeed; it seemed to me that the shifts the reviewer showed, were still quite slow by current dual clutch standards.  Smoother yes, but smooth and slow?  Was that what Aventador owners wanted?  Smiley


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    4trac:
    CGX car nut:

    Carfection drives the new Lamborghini Sian. Interesting comments on the supercapacitor hybrid system and transmission.  https://youtu.be/SFgLXZ9sKUc

    Indeed; it seemed to me that the shifts the reviewer showed, were still quite slow by current dual clutch standards.  Smoother yes, but smooth and slow?  Was that what Aventador owners wanted?  Smiley

    But remember that the electric motor is adding torque fill during that shift.  Even though it’s only rated at 34 bhp, the torque add is instantaneously. 


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    CGX car nut:
    4trac:
    CGX car nut:

    Carfection drives the new Lamborghini Sian. Interesting comments on the supercapacitor hybrid system and transmission.  https://youtu.be/SFgLXZ9sKUc

    Indeed; it seemed to me that the shifts the reviewer showed, were still quite slow by current dual clutch standards.  Smoother yes, but smooth and slow?  Was that what Aventador owners wanted?  Smiley

    But remember that the electric motor is adding torque fill during that shift.  Even though it’s only rated at 34 bhp, the torque add is instantaneously. 

    Yes I understood the torque fill will avoid the loss of momentum experienced with the original single clutch transmission, hence the shift will seem smoother / less jerky.  But my point was that the actual speed of swapping the cogs, does not seem to have changed, based on this brief video.  Admittedly that was not the reviewers focus, so we should wait until someone more aware of Lamborghini Aventadors drives it, if that happens.  But in principle the technology is fascinating esp. the capacitor energy storage.  


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    4trac:
    CGX car nut:

    Carfection drives the new Lamborghini Sian. Interesting comments on the supercapacitor hybrid system and transmission.  https://youtu.be/SFgLXZ9sKUc

    Indeed; it seemed to me that the shifts the reviewer showed, were still quite slow by current dual clutch standards.  Smoother yes, but smooth and slow?  Was that what Aventador owners wanted?  Smiley

    Still the old gearbox with some mods, isn’t it? 👀

    This is how Lamborghini messed up Aventador sales: The gearbox is total crap, also makes the Aventador slower than it has to be.


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