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May 21, 2021 1:32:32 PM
- CGX car nut
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Re: Huracán EVO STO
Perhaps many are reading too much into that image with the Panta fuel since it is a FIA approved fuel for many racing events. https://www.fia.com/panta The V10 in the Evo STO is normally aspirated so any perceived power gains are just that, perceived, if any.
May 21, 2021 1:58:04 PM
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Re: Huracán EVO STO
CGX car nut:Perhaps many are reading too much into that image with the Panta fuel since it is a FIA approved fuel for many racing events. https://www.fia.com/panta The V10 in the Evo STO is normally aspirated so any perceived power gains are just that, perceived, if any.
It is possible to make a bit more power in an NA motor with high octane race fuel by advancing the ignition timing with a laptop (assuming that raising the compression is too much work)...
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May 21, 2021 2:07:40 PM
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Re: Huracán EVO STO
Grant:CGX car nut:Perhaps many are reading too much into that image with the Panta fuel since it is a FIA approved fuel for many racing events. https://www.fia.com/panta The V10 in the Evo STO is normally aspirated so any perceived power gains are just that, perceived, if any.
It is possible to make a bit more power in an NA motor with high octane race fuel by advancing the ignition timing with a laptop (assuming that raising the compression is too much work)...
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Of course but the gains do remain negligible and usually with trade offs with other performance parameters. Is that enough of a gain to influence a record setting trial? That’s difficult to determine sitting in an armchair thousands of miles away. However, central to any discussion, is is there a certain specification on fuels used by record attempt cars at this track?
May 21, 2021 2:57:50 PM
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Re: Huracán EVO STO
CGX car nut:Grant:CGX car nut:Perhaps many are reading too much into that image with the Panta fuel since it is a FIA approved fuel for many racing events. https://www.fia.com/panta The V10 in the Evo STO is normally aspirated so any perceived power gains are just that, perceived, if any.
It is possible to make a bit more power in an NA motor with high octane race fuel by advancing the ignition timing with a laptop (assuming that raising the compression is too much work)...
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Of course but the gains do remain negligible and usually with trade offs with other performance parameters. Is that enough of a gain to influence a record setting trial? That’s difficult to determine sitting in an armchair thousands of miles away. However, central to any discussion, is is there a certain specification on fuels used by record attempt cars at this track?
I don't know what the specific rules are, but I would suggest that the car should not be making more power than it would with the fuel that is recommended by the manufacturer to its clients.
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May 21, 2021 4:14:09 PM
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Re: Huracán EVO STO
+1 That's kind of the whole point of these street car ring lap times for the press, to show how these production cars perform on the ring, for whatever that is worth, but the moment you start modifying things that customer cars won't be using (except safety modifications to protect the driver) the more pointless and misleading it becomes, and raises the question of what other things they have modified...
May 21, 2021 4:24:46 PM
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With the apparent controversies of the Ring lap set with the Performante, you would think Lambo would be super careful not to allow even the appearance of something shady going on this time...
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May 21, 2021 5:08:33 PM
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May 21, 2021 6:45:29 PM
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May 21, 2021 7:52:02 PM
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May 22, 2021 1:48:35 AM
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Re: Huracán EVO STO
Lamborghini stays within the rules and everything is just speculation and we all know why… 👀
Here is a pic from my latest STO encounter, more to come, especially impressions.
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Re: Huracán EVO STO
Grant:With the apparent controversies of the Ring lap set with the Performante, you would think Lambo would be super careful not to allow even the appearance of something shady going on this time...
There was nothing shady about the Performante lap times, whoever had the chance to encounter a good driver in one on the track knows what I am talking about. One YouTuber started the crap because the Lambo video was edited and we all know that it never went away. Lambo learned from this with the SVJ.
The fuel is approved and most records are done with high octane fuel. It is very unlikely that the fuel and any ECU mapping mods would add substantial power to the V10 engine, the power of 640 is basically the “end” of the possible power output.
Funny that nobody questions Porsche with their turbo charged engines when we all know that Porsche, in the past, seems to have used a dyno detection mode in their ECU software. 👀
I do not know how fast the STO will be but I have the new PZero PCZ4 L1 on my Performante now and all I can say WOW, what a grip, incl. side grip (side walls feel stiffer). These Lambos are crazy fast, just check out some YouTube videos on the Nordschleife.
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Re: Huracán EVO STO
RC:I do not know how fast the STO will be but I have the new PZero PCZ4 L1 on my Performante now and all I can say WOW, what a grip, incl. side grip (side walls feel stiffer). These Lambos are crazy fast, just check out some YouTube videos on the Nordschleife.
That is supposedly going to be one of the 992 GT3 tires - sounds promising
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Re: Huracán EVO STO
Seems like Robert Mitchell has something to say about the STO 
I can't find his IG post but I've seen it in this video at 6:20 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy5B7xJn24s
I'm curious to see what are the "6 things" on that pic.
May 24, 2021 12:05:05 AM
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May 24, 2021 12:53:34 PM
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May 24, 2021 1:54:09 PM
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Re: Huracán EVO STO
Went you rent the Nürburgring and their timing services for the purpose of setting an official lap, there is an entirely new process in the last year to certify its authenticity.
Companies do not bother with this to internally benchmark technologies.
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May 24, 2021 3:07:23 PM
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CGX car nut:Let’s ask this question, with all the outside surveillance of Internet pundits, what incentive and motivation does Lamborghini have to rig a record setting run?
I agree that it would be very stupid (and I am not accusing anyone), but the motivation and incentive would be pretty easy to understand.
Looking forward to learning more about this - I assume everything will eventually be known (and hopefully a credible honest explanation will be shared).
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Grant:CGX car nut:Let’s ask this question, with all the outside surveillance of Internet pundits, what incentive and motivation does Lamborghini have to rig a record setting run?
I agree that it would be very stupid (and I am not accusing anyone), but the motivation and incentive would be pretty easy to understand.
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Do you really think Lamborghini needs to post Nürburgring records to sell its vehicles? I can, however, see Lamborghini comparing its STO lap time to that of a Lamborghini race car as well as using that timing information as benchmarks in the new electrified world.
May 24, 2021 3:35:24 PM
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CGX car nut:Grant:CGX car nut:Let’s ask this question, with all the outside surveillance of Internet pundits, what incentive and motivation does Lamborghini have to rig a record setting run?
I agree that it would be very stupid (and I am not accusing anyone), but the motivation and incentive would be pretty easy to understand.
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Do you really think Lamborghini needs to post Nürburgring records to sell its vehicles? I can, however, see Lamborghini comparing its STO lap time to that of a Lamborghini race car as well as using that timing information as benchmarks in the new electrified world.
I don’t think Lamborghini needs lap times Less than the other companies that use lap time to assist their marketing efforts.
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May 24, 2021 4:01:47 PM
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Re: Huracán EVO STO
Fact is we have seen time and time again over the years different car companies using questionable tactics and mods to gain a better lap time for marketing purposes, it shouldn't catch anyone here by surprise. Not saying Lamborghini is doing it in this particular case, just that it is very much possible. Anyone with a minimum experience with manufacturer Nring laptimes, should now to take them with a grain of salt to put it lightly.
May 24, 2021 4:13:28 PM
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Carlos from Spain:Fact is we have seen time and time again over the years different car companies using questionable tactics and mods to gain a better lap time for marketing purposes, it shouldn't catch anyone here by surprise. Not saying Lamborghini is doing it in this particular case, just that it is very much possible. Anyone with a minimum experience with manufacturer Nring laptimes, should now to take them with a grain of salt to put it lightly.
This is one of the reasons for the much more rigorous procedures employed by the Nürburgring in certifying lap times now (in 2021)
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May 24, 2021 7:20:42 PM
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Re: Huracán EVO STO
CGX car nut:Rossi:Robert Mitchell? Who is this guy?
He owns Apex Nürburgring Taxi but does that given supernatural knowledge on why Lamborghini was at the track? One can think of several reasons including performance benchmarking for future production models.
So this guy drives the Ring in a GT2RS MR, a 992 Turbo, a 991 GT3RS and soon a 992 GT3, as well in a McLaren 620R, he tries to badmouth an Italian competitor and some here attach any importance to his words? How pathetic. 
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Re: Huracán EVO STO
Rossi:CGX car nut:Rossi:Robert Mitchell? Who is this guy?
He owns Apex Nürburgring Taxi but does that given supernatural knowledge on why Lamborghini was at the track? One can think of several reasons including performance benchmarking for future production models.
So this guy drives the Ring in a GT2RS MR, a 992 Turbo, a 991 GT3RS and soon a 992 GT3, as well in a McLaren 620R, he tries to badmouth an Italian competitor and some here attach any importance to his words? How pathetic.
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