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    My 40 mile report (got it with 19 on the clock)

    A little premature, but thought I would give some early impressions on my car.

    To all those that have complained about turbo lag, I do not feel it has any more than a stock 996tt. I think its just a matter of most people (including myself) remembering the turbo response of our cars after they have been tuned with an aftermarket ECU. I remember when I first got mine "chipped", the difference was night and day. Boost came on lower and felt much less lag and much more mid-range punch. Even a stock GT2 that I drove many times had a more perormance-oriented ECU and thus the better response and higher mid range and high end power.

    In this car, I experience lag under 2800 rpm at low load. To me, that is acceptable for a 3.6L 6-cylinder car making 480hp before overboost. With "sport" selected and above 2800 rpm, in second or third gear, the car pulls very hard. Above 3500 rpm with 1/2 to 3/4 throttle, the car just takes off and is scary. It feels like an X50 with more power and less lag, and this is in a car that has a total of 42 miles on the clock and without full throttle ever used and thus no overboost. (My opinion is that the VTG technology helps more in producing more power than the 996tt and helps less in reducing turbo lag.) I am sure as I break-in the car and drive it like it was engineered to do so (rev to 6000 rpm and full throttle to activate overboost), it will totally blow away my previous experience with my Stage 2 996tt's. Imagine what this car will do with a performance ECU and an exhaust. I was getting nearly 100 hp gain in my 996tt with simple bolt-ons. I am sure this car will easily achieve over 600 hp with similar products. I can't wait!!!

    Aside from engine performance, the new AWD is awesome. You just cannot break traction. Its AWD activates quicker and earlier than the previous system. This car just makes anybody a super driver because it is so good. I have no doubt that an average or good driver (not race or semi-professional) can take this car and beat a similar ability driver driving any current production car on any surface.

    The PCCB is awesome. I was driving Amir's car on PCH (after he just got it) and slowed down to enter the center neutral section to make a U turn, only to discover that I had slowed down so quickly that I was "honked" by traffic behind me which 2 secs ago was way back! These brakes are solight that I feel the steering response and better and reide is better than non-PCCB cars.

    Interior is same as any 997 with full leather, although I ordered the natural Grey leather which is extra soft and smooth. The steering wheel feels like nappa leather.

    The exhaust is a little deeper but a little less volume than my Carrera S. I don't mind it as this will be my daily driver and I prefer my daily drivers to be relatively quiet.

    I think the car look awesome in person, especially in dark colors. I am so happy to have chosen black, as it contrasts nicely with the wheels and yellow calipers.

    Overall, I am extremely pleased with my purchase, and anyone that get one and spends a few days would appreciate its ability as a daliy-driving supercar. It is less so a car you want to take out on weekends or night just for the hell of driving (that would be a F430 or even a Gallardo) but more a car you use as daily transportation that happens to destroy any current production car driven by any average or good driver on any road under any condition.

    That's good enough for me.

    Re: My 40 mile report (got it with 19 on the clock)

    Here I resized your pic. You can delete your pic and use this one or just copy and save this one insert it into your post and I will delete my post.

    It's really hard to read your report otherwise.

    Re: My 40 mile report (got it with 19 on the clock)

    'I have no doubt that an average or good driver (not race or semi-professional) can take this car and beat a similar ability driver driving any current production car on any surface.'

    +++ Any comments from CGT owners.:)

    Re: My 40 mile report (got it with 19 on the clock)

    the cgt isn't about pure speed from a to b , but more about a racecar feel to it, and the engine doesn't ha ve any lag!!
    also in good conditiions it should be faster than the turbo

    Re: My 40 mile report (got it with 19 on the clock)

    Hot car man, congrat. Where in L.A. did you buy this car and may I ask what you paid OTD??

    Re: My 40 mile report (got it with 19 on the clock)

    Quote:
    AUM said:
    'I have no doubt that an average or good driver (not race or semi-professional) can take this car and beat a similar ability driver driving any current production car on any surface.'

    +++ Any comments from CGT owners.:)



    Assuming that is true which I seriously question, so what? What the 997 turbo is very akin to the M5 but the M5 sounds better is more comfortable and more useful. The ONLY thing that the Turbo has over the M5 is a little more perf. which you can never use on a crowded highway or in a daily routine situation.

    As for the CGT, if your point is AWD/psm with 480hp will enable an average driver to do better time than if he/she were driving a CGT that would be an interesting experiment. I would wager on the CGT.

    Re: My 40 mile report (got it with 19 on the clock)

    Nick the performance difference between the Turbo and M5 is significant. The M5 is a sedan and will never match the handling/feel of th P-car. You know this. The Turbo would also walk away from an M5 at a considerable rate. You saw what it did to the Gallardo. Making a bashing post like this is completely useless and your argument is ridiculous at best. How annoying.

    Re: My 40 mile report (got it with 19 on the clock)

    Trip, your missing the point about the M5 being compared to the 997TT. Think it through. If your going to succeed in this world, use your head and not your emotions which tend to blind and brainwash.

    Also, regarding the Gallardo, I saw no such thing.They were fairly close. You saw the result of the Italian test. (I know, I know, they are biased )

    Re: My 40 mile report (got it with 19 on the clock)

    I can see why somebody might look into an M5 or Turbo when considering a reliable daily driver/sports car, but if someone is considering a sports car, the M5 will not satisfy. The advantage of the Turbo is the awd, superior handling, speed, all of which CAN be exploited on a public road unless your not a decent driver. Plus the M5 has that terrible SMG (which I have driven and hated because of its jerkiness) that makes daily stop and go a painful experience. IMHO a manual like the Turbo's is actually preferable for the commute. Some people may have trouble driving a stick in traffic, but I have driven in LA rush hour many times and it is not a problem for me. As for the Gallardo, the 997tt clearly pulled on it, if you couldn't see that then maybe your being blinded by your emotions

    Re: My 40 mile report (got it with 19 on the clock)

    For a 20 year old, you write well. Must have had some decent schooling. Also, your logic and sense of humor are worthy.

    Based on the above observations, I am more than confident that when you achieve success in your adult life, you will be a devoted Ferrari owner.

    Re: My 40 mile report (got it with 19 on the clock)

    Thanks Nick, If I am sucessful enough to own a Ferrari and a Porsche later in life I definitely will. I love Ferrari, it's my second favorite car company, however Porsche is still tops in my book. Drive safely, enjoy your car, I know you will

    Re: My 40 mile report (got it with 19 on the clock)

    Quote:
    STRADALE said:
    Here I resized your pic. You can delete your pic and use this one or just copy and save this one insert it into your post and I will delete my post.

    It's really hard to read your report otherwise.



    Sorry. Tried to edit it but it said the "time to edit is over"

    Thanks for resizing it for me.

    Re: My 40 mile report (got it with 19 on the clock)

    Quote:
    nberry said:
    Quote:
    AUM said:
    'I have no doubt that an average or good driver (not race or semi-professional) can take this car and beat a similar ability driver driving any current production car on any surface.'

    +++ Any comments from CGT owners.:)



    Assuming that is true which I seriously question, so what? What the 997 turbo is very akin to the M5 but the M5 sounds better is more comfortable and more useful. The ONLY thing that the Turbo has over the M5 is a little more perf. which you can never use on a crowded highway or in a daily routine situation.

    As for the CGT, if your point is AWD/psm with 480hp will enable an average driver to do better time than if he/she were driving a CGT that would be an interesting experiment. I would wager on the CGT.



    Had an M5. Sold it after 3 months. No regrets. Pointless form of daily transportation. Hate SMG and car was not that fast. No comparison in performance to 997tt, straight line, corners, braking, etc. Friend bought M6 and returned it to dealer after 2 days. Did not flip it to make money. Just got back what he paid for.

    What I said was in the hands of an average or "good" driver, the 997tt is faster than any other production car on public roads. An average driver on public roads can benefit from PSM, PTM and AWD while the CGT would require an experienced and semi-professional driver to get the maximum performance out of it and not crash. Enjoyment or excitement is another story, and I am not claiming that a 997tt is more "fun" to drive than a 430 or CGT, or Gallardo.

    Re: My 40 mile report (got it with 19 on the clock)

    Terrence, why did he return the M6? Just curious - I came pretty close to buying one a couple weeks ago...but didn't, I bought the 997TT instead at MSRP. BMW dealer in Calabasas, CA wanted 30K over window. Thank you BMW, but no thanks.

    Re: My 40 mile report (got it with 19 on the clock)

    He had an M5 and didn't like it. M6 was the same thing. On public roads, driving an M6 is not much different than driving an M5. In other words, it has all the short-comings we have experienced with the M5 and nothing to gain except paying more money. If he wanted to look good or get exceited driving a car, he already has a F430 for that. Those two M cars are only impressive in acceleration when its above 100mph, and we don't really care that much about that since we don't typically drive tripe digit speeds on public roads, and they were never gonna be track cars for us anyway.

    On the other hand, the 997tt is fast everywhere, from 0 to 150 and anywhere in between. Also stops way better (remember those single piston M-brakes on the M cars) and grips so much harder in turns. Comparing a $107,000 fully loaded M6, a base 997tt with full leather standard is a bargain!!!

     
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