Rennteam 2.0 - EN - Forum - 992 GT3 - Page87

Jun 16, 2021 4:19:31 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 20825, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Mithras

Re: 992 GT3

Mithras:
4trac:
reginos:
But what is the remit of this model? The normal GT3 not only has unique looks but it should be more focused for sporty performance and handling and OTOH the upcoming GTS will be more comfortable and practical for touring purposes and cheaper.

It is very simple - some people want a NA engine in their normal looking 911.

Some people want a car that is comfortably track capable, that is closer to the bygone 911, a little more analogue, but still be able to slip around town without being a spectacle.

Which is why I think Porsche is being very capricious and inconsiderate to it's customers when it's not offering the clamoured rear seats on such a 911 when they are no drawbacks whatsoever for having them.

Next
Threads

Jun 16, 2021 4:36:24 PM

Mithras: Expert; Loc: Toronto, Canada , Canada; Posts: 1981, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 16, 2005; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: 992 GT3

Carlos from Spain:
Mithras:
4trac:
reginos:
But what is the remit of this model? The normal GT3 not only has unique looks but it should be more focused for sporty performance and handling and OTOH the upcoming GTS will be more comfortable and practical for touring purposes and cheaper.

It is very simple - some people want a NA engine in their normal looking 911.

Some people want a car that is comfortably track capable, that is closer to the bygone 911, a little more analogue, but still be able to slip around town without being a spectacle.

Which is why I think Porsche is being very capricious and inconsiderate to it's customers when it's not offering the clamoured rear seats on such a 911 when they are no drawbacks whatsoever for having them.

Exactly. A manual Touring with rear seats is still going to be lighter than a PDK without rear seats so it's not even a weight issue. It's a bean counter issue and they know they will sell out of them regardless of rear seats or no.

--

Past-President, Porsche Club of America - Upper Canada Region

Next
Threads

Jun 16, 2021 5:05:19 PM

Sidney: Pilot; Loc: D , Germany; Posts: 302, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 11, 2005; Reply to: Mithras

Re: 992 GT3

... Porsche cannot offer rear seats on GT3T because there would be about 150kg additional weight (2 persons) ... and this would result in problems with maximum load, damper settings and additional (paper) work for official permit.

--

-----------------------------------

Next
Threads

Jun 16, 2021 5:35:08 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 15511, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Sidney

Re: 992 GT3

There hasn't been a N/A 911 in the normal 911 body shape for a while............

Equip the car with 18 way and PDK and it's just about perfect for a daily 911, Hecke even the dampers will be softer than the GT3 so more comfortable on the street, except it's way too fat.

--

Next
Threads

Jun 16, 2021 6:16:12 PM

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 5762, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 992 GT3

Andreas Preuninger driving the new Porsche 992 GT3 Touring...

Link: https://www.instagram.com/p/CQMIqdMFuwd/

Smiley

Next
Threads

Jun 16, 2021 6:27:36 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12451, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

Re: 992 GT3

Nice Racing Green Metallic (my choice would be British Racing Green Uni with Cohiba Exclusive Leather option and Neodyme wheels like these). AP also says in the comments that the suspension is not softer in the Touring (which I find surprising). If they didn't change the suspension at all, makes sense that they didn't add rear seats.

--

22 GT3 Manual pending, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 18 GT3 Manual, 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

Next
Threads

Jun 16, 2021 7:04:31 PM

Moser: Senior; Loc: Larnaca , Cyprus; Posts: 535, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 22, 2006; Reply to: Grant

Re: 992 GT3

Well the two things I was looking for other than the subtle looks, Porsche didn't include. Rear seats and softer suspension settings for more daily road drivability. I've got a december slot on a regular GT3 which I'm now told that I can't change it to a Touring, which I'm not so thrilled about anymore. Quite disappointed to be honest with all this. GTS looking more and more like the car for me and my family. I was so excited about this touring model, they even screwed up in my opinion by removing the race tex touches in the interior and changing it to leather! Altough I'm probably in the minority here....

Next
Threads

Jun 16, 2021 7:07:56 PM

AP911: Senior; Loc: UAE , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 566, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 28, 2017; Reply to: Grant

Re: 992 GT3

British Racing Green for me as well.....But I'll be waiting for the facelift, hoping I get used to the nostrils by then.

Next
Threads

Jun 16, 2021 7:20:03 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 20825, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Mithras

Re: 992 GT3

Mithras:
Carlos from Spain:
Mithras:
4trac:
reginos:
But what is the remit of this model? The normal GT3 not only has unique looks but it should be more focused for sporty performance and handling and OTOH the upcoming GTS will be more comfortable and practical for touring purposes and cheaper.

It is very simple - some people want a NA engine in their normal looking 911.

Some people want a car that is comfortably track capable, that is closer to the bygone 911, a little more analogue, but still be able to slip around town without being a spectacle.

Which is why I think Porsche is being very capricious and inconsiderate to it's customers when it's not offering the clamoured rear seats on such a 911 when they are no drawbacks whatsoever for having them.

Exactly. A manual Touring with rear seats is still going to be lighter than a PDK without rear seats so it's not even a weight issue. It's a bean counter issue and they know they will sell out of them regardless of rear seats or no.

Right, that's the thing, they are going to sell all the production regardless of the lack of rear seats so they are not motivated to do the extra work to give people what they want (adapt the suspensions, slap a couple of cushions and belts on the back an homologate it).

Next
Threads

Jun 16, 2021 9:11:03 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13628, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: 992 GT3

Then 992GT3 is not the car to have. Wait the .2 version will be much better. kiss

For now my RS is what I want and will keep unless the 992RS blows my socks off.

--

The purpose of life is to enjoy the moment.

Next
Threads

Jun 16, 2021 10:07:03 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 15511, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: nberry

Re: 992 GT3

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a36741701/porsche-911-gt3-manual-fails-californias-noise-test/

Wonderfully backyard Californians.

--

Next
Threads

Jun 17, 2021 12:50:01 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13628, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 992 GT3

Given the limited number of 992 GT3 sold in California, this will impact very few cars. That may explain why Porshe failed to engineer the manual car to pass the test. I suspect California will adopt the new standards at some point. Certainly the 992.2 manual will be allowed.

--

The purpose of life is to enjoy the moment.

Next
Threads

Jun 17, 2021 1:21:07 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 13900, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: nberry

Re: 992 GT3

Lots of complaints about the Touring , but we must remember that Porsche is keeping a type of car alive (GT3) that no one else is doing anymore. I thought the 992 GT3 would become less raw only to find out after the presentation that the car is still as sporty as it can be, not compromising on confort.

There could well be a valid reason why the Touring does not get the back seats. Sidney came up with a very plausible explanation. And I also wonder if Porsche has to keep sales of GT3/Touring contained as if they would sell too many, the general carbon emission of Porsche would be too high. Remember that the electric cars allow the NA engines to live.

We should be happy to still get this car .... even if not everything is making everybody happy about it. I for example find the back way too fat , high, busy and don't like the front mouth, but would probably still get it if in the market. The car is unique and special.

How often do you take your kids in the back seats ? Three , four, times a year until they are 12. After that it gets too unconfortable anyway . If you like the Touring, get it . You will adapt. If back seats are so important, then GTS manual .

--

964 Carrera 4 -- 997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS

Next
Threads

Jun 17, 2021 1:40:01 PM

steelested: Co-Pilot; Loc: uk , United Kingdom; Posts: 214, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 10, 2012; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 992 GT3

true words of wisdom from @grill

I have very young children and thought back seats were essential - and so does my wife but you know what- we also have a cayenne and am sure we can make it work very well.

in relation to the ride - there are plenty of people who daily much harsher rides and we are still to really get any reviews that aren't based on the track.

im hopeful I will get and allocation and if I am offered it - the answer is "yes please - thank you"

Next
Threads

Jun 17, 2021 3:27:10 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12451, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: nberry

Re: 992 GT3

nberry:
Given the limited number of 992 GT3 sold in California, this will impact very few cars.

What are you talking about? California is by far the largest GT3 market in the US, which is the largest GT3 market in the world...

And 70% of 991.2 GT3's in the US were Manuals...

Yes, the volume is small by Honda Civic standards but it's a very significant percentage of GT3's...

--

22 GT3 Manual pending, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 18 GT3 Manual, 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

Next
Threads

Jun 17, 2021 3:34:56 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12451, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Grant

Re: 992 GT3

992 GT3 without wing (looks better than Touring?):

--

22 GT3 Manual pending, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 18 GT3 Manual, 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

Next
Threads

Jun 17, 2021 4:23:44 PM

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Netherlands; Posts: 8008, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2004; Reply to: Grant

Re: 992 GT3

Haha wanted to post a pic of the same car… should’ve known Rennteam would have me beat!

--

Porsche, separates Le Mans from Le Boys

Next
Threads

Jun 17, 2021 4:35:53 PM

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxembourg; Posts: 5727, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 3, 2003; Reply to: Joost

Re: 992 GT3

I like the Touring better angry

--

2018 White 911 GT3

Next
Threads

Jun 17, 2021 4:40:31 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Grant

Re: 992 GT3

Grant:
992 GT3 without wing (looks better than Touring?):

…and as AP wrote on Instagram, don’t delete the wing and drive more than 70mph Smiley Smiley

--

2016 Porsche 981 GT4 | Racing Yellow
2018 Audi S6 Avant | Ibis White

Next
Threads

Jun 17, 2021 4:40:44 PM

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 5762, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: Joost

Re: 992 GT3

Here is the full set of pics of the first Porsche 992 GT3 with Ducktail...

Smiley

Next
Threads

Jun 17, 2021 4:45:25 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 992 GT3

Gnil:
Lots of complaints about the Touring , but we must remember that Porsche is keeping a type of car alive (GT3) that no one else is doing anymore. I thought the 992 GT3 would become less raw only to find out after the presentation that the car is still as sporty as it can be, not compromising on confort.

There could well be a valid reason why the Touring does not get the back seats. Sidney came up with a very plausible explanation. And I also wonder if Porsche has to keep sales of GT3/Touring contained as if they would sell too many, the general carbon emission of Porsche would be too high. Remember that the electric cars allow the NA engines to live.

We should be happy to still get this car .... even if not everything is making everybody happy about it. I for example find the back way too fat , high, busy and don't like the front mouth, but would probably still get it if in the market. The car is unique and special.

How often do you take your kids in the back seats ? Three , four, times a year until they are 12. After that it gets too unconfortable anyway . If you like the Touring, get it . You will adapt. If back seats are so important, then GTS manual .

Yes, it is great, and you are spot on with not selling too many due to emissions. That might well be the real reason.

With rear seats I would have ordered a Touring instantaneously, without it is no more useful than any other 2-seater and that is no help for me Smiley

--

2016 Porsche 981 GT4 | Racing Yellow
2018 Audi S6 Avant | Ibis White

Next
Threads

Jun 17, 2021 5:11:01 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 992 GT3

--

2016 Porsche 981 GT4 | Racing Yellow
2018 Audi S6 Avant | Ibis White

Next
Threads

Jun 17, 2021 5:41:54 PM

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 5762, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 992 GT3

bluelines:

Maybe take that with a pinch of salt... unless you think the 911 is going to suddenly become "too light" at the rear! Smiley

The static weight distribution is what... 39% Front : 61% Rear Smiley

Next
Threads

Jun 17, 2021 6:36:59 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 15511, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

Re: 992 GT3

American highways are restricted to 70mph anyways so the Americans are fine without the wing smiley

--

Next
Threads

Jun 17, 2021 7:09:48 PM

turbolite: Veteran; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 1012, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 26, 2004; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 992 GT3

Just ordered mine today: gt silver, black wheels, pdk.
kids dont want to sit in the convertible anyway, might as well get something I really like..

--

turbolite

Next
Threads

Jun 17, 2021 7:15:31 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12451, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 992 GT3

Whoopsy:
American highways are restricted to 70mph anyways so the Americans are fine without the wing

Actually 85 mph in some places with 20mph over threshold before you get a big ticket.

--

22 GT3 Manual pending, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 18 GT3 Manual, 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

Next
Threads

Jun 17, 2021 7:16:18 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12451, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: turbolite

Re: 992 GT3

turbolite:
Just ordered mine today: gt silver, black wheels, pdk.
kids dont want to sit in the convertible anyway, might as well get something I really like..

Congrats Smiley

--

22 GT3 Manual pending, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 18 GT3 Manual, 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

Next
Threads

Jun 17, 2021 7:31:08 PM

turbolite: Veteran; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 1012, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 26, 2004; Reply to: Grant

Re: 992 GT3

Thanks Grant!🍺

--

turbolite

Next
Threads

Jun 17, 2021 7:37:34 PM

CGX car nut: Rennteam Master; Loc: NWI , United States; Posts: 4685, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: turbolite

Re: 992 GT3

turbolite:
Just ordered mine today: gt silver, black wheels, pdk.
kids dont want to sit in the convertible anyway, might as well get something I really like..

Nice specification.

Next
Threads

Jun 17, 2021 9:40:12 PM

Enmanuel: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Boston , United States; Posts: 8535, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2008; Reply to: CGX car nut

Re: 992 GT3

CGX car nut:
turbolite:
Just ordered mine today: gt silver, black wheels, pdk.
kids dont want to sit in the convertible anyway, might as well get something I really like..

Nice specification.

+1 ! Smiley

Top
Threads

Board	Subject	Last post	Views	Replies
Porsche	The moment I've been waiting for...	5/18/22 6:36 PM Pilot	693675	1306
Porsche	OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)	2/17/23 4:40 PM RC	327703	1253
Porsche	SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA (Part II)	3/28/23 2:14 AM watt	227401	1419
Porsche	Welcome to Rennteam: Cars and Coffee... (photos)	3/28/23 1:44 PM TB993tt	209842	481
Porsche	Porsche Taycan Turbo S - Short Review	10/6/22 12:37 AM Whoopsy	189509	580
Porsche	OFFICIAL: Cayman GT4 RS (2021)	3/27/23 4:58 PM Enmanuel	140894	232
Porsche	OFFICIAL: Porsche 911 (992) GT3 RS - 2022	3/29/23 8:44 AM Boxster Coupe GTS	60568	85
Porsche	OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)	12/25/22 1:02 AM CGX car nut	489105	2663
Porsche	992 GT3	2/28/23 12:22 AM nberry	485827	3817
Porsche	Welcome to the new Taycan Forum!	1/21/23 3:51 PM CGX car nut	238125	1491
Porsche	Donor vehicle for Singer Vehicle Design	9/30/22 6:31 PM Grant	234359	774
Lambo	Aventador and SV	3/29/23 2:06 PM Enmanuel	201988	720
Others	Tesla 2 the new thread	3/28/23 9:40 PM Carlos from Spain	201673	2155
Porsche	GT4RS	12/30/22 1:28 AM JAMS	194799	1194
Motor Sp.	[2021] Formula 1	4/19/22 10:08 PM Leawood911	167449	1590
Others	Bugatti Chiron	8/30/22 4:31 PM Josef	163670	525
Ferrari	Ferrari 812 Superfast	3/23/23 3:21 PM RC	160279	543
Porsche	Red Nipples 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour	3/1/23 4:09 PM Gauss	145283	548
Lambo	Urus (SUV)	6/7/22 1:20 PM Topspeed	140764	593
Others	Corvette C8	7/18/22 12:40 PM Whoopsy	139813	443
Porsche	Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife	7/4/22 10:42 PM DaveGordon	138028	722
Motor Sp.	[2022] Formula 1	2/4/23 1:10 AM Whoopsy	132054	1576
Others	Toyota Yaris GR	4/13/22 8:33 PM Grant	109549	640
Lambo	Huracán EVO STO	3/13/23 10:40 AM RC	108872	344
AMG	Mercedes E63 S AMG (2018) - Short Review (updated on a regular basis)	10/24/22 7:42 AM RC	106193	402
Ferrari	Wandered to the dark side	8/29/22 9:35 AM BiTurbo	81538	418
Ferrari	Ferrari Roma	4/18/22 4:33 PM watt	33579	438
Motor Sp.	MotoGP	6/6/22 11:49 PM watt	32579	328
Porsche	992 GT3 RS	9/8/22 10:49 PM Grant	31369	313
Lambo	Huracan Evo (2019 Facelift)	7/4/22 8:00 AM M3ike	29582	291

Crown

Forum - Thread

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Re: 992 GT3

Forum

Boards