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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Gnil:

    I am going to the official presentation at my dealer tonight . He is putting up a big show . Sitting dinner with a top, top chef ( 3 stars Michelin ) followed by a private concert of a small international pop singer .

    All in order to detract the attention away from the 991.2 SmileySmiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Porker:
    Gnil:

    I am going to the official presentation at my dealer tonight . He is putting up a big show . Sitting dinner with a top, top chef ( 3 stars Michelin ) followed by a private concert of a small international pop singer .

    All in order to detract the attention away from the 991.2 SmileySmiley

    Usually I do not attend these events . I rather go on the Monday and have the car all by myself to look at and sit in.

    This time I thought  I't would make a nice outing for my wife and I ..... and we plan to leave before the unveiling of the car Smiley Smiley

    @bridggar : Maybe my OPC charges us way too much Smiley  I rather get sandwiches and that with the extra money he gives us some nice Porsche stuff 
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     964 Carrera 4 /  997.2 C2 ,  -20mm /  991 GT3 RS 

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    I am not going to the dealer presentation, it always sucked. Yes, the food is good (my wife enjoys it, me not so much), the cars are nice, the show program is sometimes interesting too and sometimes, if we are lucky, there is an engineer from Weissach or some Porsche factory employee joining the event and replying to questions (of course not about new models and such...). Also, there are so many people I know (doctors, local business people, etc.) and it just sucks to go to everyone, to shake hands, to ask how they're doing and to lose at least an hour doing that. Smiley

    I decided to have a test-drive instead. Since my wife has her birthday, I cannot do the test-drive this weekend but I will have it sometimes next week when I find the time to. My dealer has already reserved a car for me, so I can do it on a short notice. They usually do not let regular customers or potential buyers test-drive the brand-new cars, they need to be run in for 500-1000 km first and they trust me to to wreck it. 

    So my test-drive won't be anything spectacular and since we have winter now, not even close to the limit but I think I will gather enough information to provide some nice short review, especially when it comes to the new engine, throttle response, exhaust sound and so on. wink


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    I was offered a test drive at a presentaron but it's in Madrid. Not worth going to Madrid for it though... 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    I was told they've only sold 5 (five!) 991.2 so far at my OPC but that doubled on launch night. (not exactly flying out the doors then)


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    991 Carrera Black\Black, XC90 Black\Black, 120 Cab Black\Coral Red - 2 kids, 1 dog


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Carlos from Spain:

    I was offered a test drive at a presentaron but it's in Madrid. Not worth going to Madrid for it though... 

    Certainly not. I only test-drive the car for Rennteam to see if something has improved and to take photos, otherwise I wouldn't be interested. Already took a ride in it a few months ago and there was nothing surprising about it. Most people will love the new Carrera though because it feels more powerful than the pre-facelift models, kind of a 911 Turbo, just for less money. Smiley Kind of...of course the new facelift isn't even close to 991 Turbo performance.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    RC:
    Carlos from Spain:

    I was offered a test drive at a presentaron but it's in Madrid. Not worth going to Madrid for it though... 

    Certainly not. I only test-drive the car for Rennteam to see if something has improved and to take photos, otherwise I wouldn't be interested. Already took a ride in it a few months ago and there was nothing surprising about it. Most people will love the new Carrera though because it feels more powerful than the pre-facelift models, kind of a 911 Turbo, just for less money. Smiley Kind of...of course the new facelift isn't even close to 991 Turbo performance.

    Carrera was the Carrera, a class on its own, but now it's a "baby turbo" Smiley ... for good or for bad though, depending on who you ask of course.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Carlos from Spain:
    RC:
    Carlos from Spain:

    I was offered a test drive at a presentaron but it's in Madrid. Not worth going to Madrid for it though... 

    Certainly not. I only test-drive the car for Rennteam to see if something has improved and to take photos, otherwise I wouldn't be interested. Already took a ride in it a few months ago and there was nothing surprising about it. Most people will love the new Carrera though because it feels more powerful than the pre-facelift models, kind of a 911 Turbo, just for less money. Smiley Kind of...of course the new facelift isn't even close to 991 Turbo performance.

    Carrera was the Carrera, a class on its own, but now it's a "baby turbo" Smiley ... for good or for bad though, depending on who you ask of course.

    Smiley Baby Turbo...LOL. Yes, most new owners will be very happy with this car, I am pretty sure about it but the turbo engine changes the basic character of the car completely. This is not the air cooled to water cooled change but a basic characteristics change. Look at the 911 Turbo and it's history, a completely different type of car for a different type of customer. Now everything got mixed up and traditional customers may not like it. I understand why Porsche had to make the change but this doesn't mean I have to like it.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    RC:
    I understand why Porsche had to make the change but this doesn't mean I have to like it.

    This is how I have felt about almost every major change since 1973 Smiley


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    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Grant:
     

    This is how I have felt about almost every major change since 1973 Smiley

    "Nostalgia" is a strong emotion Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    and progress without price value is pointless.  Finally we [Sun's orbit[] succumb to "who needs it?".  After the gt4 and Sun's .2 orders for RS and GT3, Sun is buying older product.


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    I had a very nice and exclusive presentation yesterday at my dealer .Many thanks to my OPC for this special moment .

    Only 20 customers invited. Head of Porsche Switzerland present . A sitting dinner done by one of the most famous chef  in Switzerland  (3 stars Michelin )  and he just got elected yesterday  best restaurant in the world by a new survey , 5 course dinner with the best you can imagine . And then a private concert from a young and talented pop artist who had some international hits .

    The best part of the 991.2 is the front blinker indecision

    They turned the engines on and I was surprised that with PSE it sounded much better then expected .

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     964 Carrera 4 /  997.2 C2 ,  -20mm /  991 GT3 RS 

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Very nice - who was the singer?


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Do you really want a little turbo engine??

    ­čśÉnot sure. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Sounds like a fun evening!


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    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    DaveGordon:

    Very nice - who was the singer?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flCY1jv61RU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySp2WwrA_q4
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     964 Carrera 4 /  997.2 C2 ,  -20mm /  991 GT3 RS 

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Several Exhaust Sounds from the new 911! Enjoy


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Ups, forgot the link

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvXJRLopqd8


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Gnil:
    DaveGordon:

    Very nice - who was the singer?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flCY1jv61RU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySp2WwrA_q4
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     964 Carrera 4 /  997.2 C2 ,  -20mm /  991 GT3 RS 

     

    Me and my wife would have died a slow death...not really our cup of tea (the music) but better than at our dealership. They usual have classic music, Dixieland (I love Jazz but Dixieland makes me drop a bomb and kill everyone in the room Smiley) or sometimes even traditional Bavarian music (not for big presentations though, thanks god). This is why I avoid such presentations, the food is usually done by a first class caterer (Feinkost Käfer) but I have to admit that I'm not a fan but my wife usually enjoys it and what makes the wife happy... Smiley Thanks god she had her birthday, so we couldn't go. Smiley Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Here is my prediction: someone on RT will actually buy a 991.2 baby-turbo, they will end up saying "you know, its not so bad... here are some good points....", we will all (mostly) agree, and life in the 911 world will move on.  

    We should have a lottery to guess who on RT will be first  indecision (could have missed it but don't think anyone here has committed?). 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    4trac:

    Here is my prediction: someone on RT will actually buy a 991.2 baby-turbo, they will end up saying "you know, its not so bad... here are some good points....", we will all (mostly) agree, and life in the 911 world will move on.

    Absolutely!  I even think it could be me Smiley  But this is not a replacement for a classic 911 - just an addition to be kept for awhile and replaced like an appliance.  The old ones are keepers.  Everyone has their own definition of when they lost the original's soul, but few deny that it has happened or is happening soon...


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    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Well.. Whilst I am upgrading the suspension of my 964, I am seriously considering buying a new Carrera in the simplest spec: manual, sport exhaust and parking sensors. Could be another modern 911 experience. Will test drive one first.


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    1992 964 Carrera 2 - 2014 Mercedes A45 AMG - 2013 Mini Cooper S


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Mikla:

    Well.. Whilst I am upgrading the suspension of my 964, I am seriously considering buying a new Carrera in the simplest spec: manual, sport exhaust and parking sensors. Could be another modern 911 experience. Will test drive one first.

    You mean the base 2.0L Turbo version?  I am considering that one also if the price is low enough as a possible Euro Delivery car.  Also considering other crazy Porsches and even an AMG C63 S Coupe.  Drove the sedan and it's fast in a straight line (Coupe is even quicker with better gearing).

    BTW, the sedans are all made in Alabama in Southern USA, so no Euro Delivery, but Coupes made at new factory in Bremen, German and ED with 5% discount.


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    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Sorry Grant, didn't get your point. Do you refer to my A45 AMG? I was referring to the base 991.2 Carerra.


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    1992 964 Carrera 2 - 2014 Mercedes A45 AMG - 2013 Mini Cooper S


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Hi Grant.  "Soul" is a tricky thing, as you know.  Depends on your view of course.  I have had 9 old 911s since 1966, and each one became hopelessly outdated by models with  better handling, more power, better craftsmanship, better all around.   And do they hold their value? Maybe if the model is extremely rare or absurdly well kept and rarely driven.  And the owner will spend many $$ keeping them running and maintained.  Driving becomes limited to weekends at best, or occasionally to shows and events.  Daily use is dangerous and impractical.

    i am not arguing that modern Porsches have "soul", or not.  But they sure are wonderfully engineered, fast and well adapted to modern driving and times.  And it could well be that in 30 years or so, a 2015 991 will have "soul" to some owners.  


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Mikla:

    Sorry Grant, didn't get your point. Do you refer to my A45 AMG? I was referring to the base 991.2 Carerra.

    My mistake - thought you said basic Cayman, not Carrera...


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    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Wonderbar:

     And it could well be that in 30 years or so, a 2015 991 will have "soul" to some owners.  

    No argument - all of this is subjective and relative...


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    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    A red one in the wild:

    http://www.autogespot.nl/porsche-991-carrera-s-mkii/2015/12/13

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Grant, you got a good point: I am also curious about the base 2.0 Cayman. Let's see how it turns out.


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    1992 964 Carrera 2 - 2014 Mercedes A45 AMG - 2013 Mini Cooper S

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    4trac:

    Here is my prediction: someone on RT will actually buy a 991.2 baby-turbo, they will end up saying "you know, its not so bad... here are some good points....", we will all (mostly) agree, and life in the 911 world will move on.  

    We should have a lottery to guess who on RT will be first  indecision (could have missed it but don't think anyone here has committed?). 

    You know us here well. Smiley

    I never said the 991.2 Carrera is bad. It is just a different car in my opinion and it sounds different but not as bad as the 991 Turbo/S models. The new Carrera will be very likely faster on the road and on the track than the pre-facelift model but thats not the point. Unlike other times, where changes were merely cosmetic, this time, Porsche changed the engine and not only the engine but the whole engine type (turbo instead of n/a). If people think that this change won't change some characteristics of the 911, they probably haven't experienced the switch from air cooled to water cooled. Yes, in a couple of years, with new turbo charger and hybrid tech, Porsche may be able to simulate n/a engine characteristics in a turbo charged engine but so far, the illusion doesn't exist yet.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


     
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