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    Chevy Volt 230 MPG

    good news, I wouldn't worry too much about scarce oil in the future. This is just the start;

     


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    That is good news. Although cars will begin consuming less gasoline, energy will still be required to develope electricity to charge them. As of now most of that energy comes from fossil fuels. Hopefully our energy infastructure begins switching en mass to renewable sources such as wind and solar. Nuclear would be a good stop gap in the short run.


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    Currently most electricity is generated by coal and gas, which we have hundreds of years worth.

    Nuclear generates 20% and should be increased to about 50%.

    Oil does around 2-3%

    Wind is a joke.

    Solar on the moon makes sense.

    Between Tesla, Volt, and all other followers you can kiss OPEC good bye 

     


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    Wind seems to have promise, even former oil men such as T.Boone Pickens believe in it. Solar on the moon seems less realistic than solar in the desert. How do you propose we receive energy collected up there? Just because we have a vast supply of coal and natural gas does not mean its the best alternative. Yes it is the cheapest in the short run but at what cost to the planet's long term survival? I would love to see the colapse of OPEC's power!



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    wind sounded good and I pushed for the pickens plan too, but it just won't produce enough energy to make a difference and be a horrible eyesore. 


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    I don't mind the Volt as long as it can do 0-60 in under 5 secs, but too bad it has no performance whatsoever.


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    Whoopsy:

    I don't mind the Volt as long as it can do 0-60 in under 5 secs, but too bad it has no performance whatsoever.

    Prius does 0-60 in ten seconds , so buyers of these types of vehicles don't care much for " performance " .  They are the types who 25 yrs ago  preferred  lumbering Volvo 240s  rather than nimbler  BMW 530s, because just as today  , it sent a puritanical sociopolitical message to the neighbors , damn any pleasure .

     


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    what's the range on it?


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    ^ 40 miles on the batteries.  Pretty much a joke.


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    MKW:
    Whoopsy:

    I don't mind the Volt as long as it can do 0-60 in under 5 secs, but too bad it has no performance whatsoever.

    Prius does 0-60 in ten seconds , so buyers of these types of vehicles don't care much for " performance " .  They are the types who 25 yrs ago  preferred  lumbering Volvo 240s  rather than nimbler  BMW 530s, because just as today  , it sent a puritanical sociopolitical message to the neighbors , damn any pleasure .

     


    Today BMW just made my day, ActiveHybrid X6 with 480hp, 575lb-ft with a twin-turbo V8 and able to drive on battery alone up to 60km/h.


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    The car can go 40 miles on battery alone before the gas engine kicks in at all. This is one reason why the mileage figure is so high. If you commute with the Volt and your commute is less than 40 miles there and back, you won't need much gas at all. It's not really a bad looking car, especially when compared to the original Honda Insight. I'm all for highly efficient cars, but who wants to drive around in something that looks like this:

    honda_insight.jpg


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    These are all first generation, but it is the future of cars;

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     Undisputed leader Tesla Model S all electric 300 mile range

    tesla-model-s-sedan.jpg 

     

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    U Boat Commander:

    ^ 40 miles on the batteries.  Pretty much a joke.

    Not as much of a bad joke as GM's claim of "230 mpg fuel economy" for the Volt in the marketing campaign it has just started.

    This is what an insider who really should know says about the claim:

    "According to Frank Weber, vehicle chief engineer for the Volt, the number is based on combined electric-only driving, and charge-sustaining mode with the engine running. He declined to get specific about the proportions, but did say that the urban cycle would be predominantly EV only. The EPA has been studying real world vehicle usage and is developing the formulas to try and provide a representative number of what most customers could expect to achieve. In addition to the composite number, the new EPA stickers will likely also get numbers for mileage in charge sustaining mode and electric efficiency in EV mode."

    In other words, if you fully charged up the battery of a Volt before starting a trip and put just one gallon of gas in the tank, the car will not take you the 270 miles (40 miles EV mode + 230 miles gasoline mode) you might optimistically expect.
    It will not even take you the 230 miles that the GM claim suggests should be the minimum you would get out of the car before the battery is depleted and the gallon of gas is used up.

    So what does the claim mean? Nothing in the real world.
    Compare it with the situation when you drive an electronically fuel-injected gas guzzler down the highway and suddenly close the throttle. Fuel supply is temporarily cut off, so the short distance you travel in that time is done at an infinitely high number of mpg. Great!

    You'd think that GM would have had enough bad press in the last year without starting a marketing campaign which is only going to come back and bite it in the a$$ in 2010.


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    and don't forget the Fisker Karma, based on same tech as volt

     

     

     

    THese cars can look anyway they want 

    fisker-karma-hr-02.jpg


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    fritz:
    U Boat Commander:

    ^ 40 miles on the batteries.  Pretty much a joke.

    Not as much of a bad joke as GM's claim of "230 mpg fuel economy" for the Volt in the marketing campaign it has just started.

    This is what an insider who really should know says about the claim:

    "According to Frank Weber, vehicle chief engineer for the Volt, the number is based on combined electric-only driving, and charge-sustaining mode with the engine running. He declined to get specific about the proportions, but did say that the urban cycle would be predominantly EV only. The EPA has been studying real world vehicle usage and is developing the formulas to try and provide a representative number of what most customers could expect to achieve. In addition to the composite number, the new EPA stickers will likely also get numbers for mileage in charge sustaining mode and electric efficiency in EV mode."

    In other words, if you fully charged up the battery of a Volt before starting a trip and put just one gallon of gas in the tank, the car will not take you the 270 miles (40 miles EV mode + 230 miles gasoline mode) you might optimistically expect.
    It will not even take you the 230 miles that the GM claim suggests should be the minimum you would get out of the car before the battery is depleted and the gallon of gas is used up.

    So what does the claim mean? Nothing in the real world.
    Compare it with the situation when you drive an electronically fuel-injected gas guzzler down the highway and suddenly close the throttle. Fuel supply is temporarily cut off, so the short distance you travel in that time is done at an infinitely high number of mpg. Great!

    You'd think that GM would have had enough bad press in the last year without starting a marketing campaign which is only going to come back and bite it in the a$$ in 2010.

    It has already been disclosed that the car will be rated at 100+ in highway mode.
     

    Meaning you can go as many miles as you want on gas receiving 100 mpg while doing so.

    So where is the bad press?

    Why so negative. You are like nick on space.

    You dumped on the Tesla thread, Do you work for an OIL comapny?

    This tech is for real, these cars are for real. It is some of the best cultural/economic news in 35 years!!!!

    Smiley


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    trip:

    Wind seems to have promise, 

     

    interesting story

    http://www.usnews.com/articles/science/2009/08/12/maines-windkeepers-from-ship-masts-to-windmills.html?PageNr=1

     

    massive and too maintenance intensive imo

     

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      (not for the look but the tech)

     

    Ghosn predicts that electric cars will grab 10 percent of global auto sales by 2020, compared with an estimate of 1.5 percent to 2 percent at Volkswagen AG and 0.6 percent at London- based consulting firm IHS Global Insight.

    “You can take your pick,” the CEO said. “But I’m putting 4 billion euros into electric cars and I have 2,000 people working on it. And even if it’s 5 percent, we’re fine.”

    Ghosn has pledged to produce the Fluence from 2011 in partnership with Palo Alto, California-based Better Place, whose founder Shai Agassi says that the model, based on the Megane small family car, has the potential to transform the industry.

    Battery Swaps

    Central to the Renault-Better Place plan is a network of battery-swapping stations, where drivers would exchange a near- flat powerplant for a fully-charged replacement in about the same time that it takes to fill up with gas.

    The system would overcome the eight-hour battery charging period that effectively limits electric-car operations to the 100-mile (160-kilometer) range of a single charge.

    Renault and Better Place plan to lease out batteries rather than sell them as part of the car, slashing purchase costs. Battery contracts could eventually come with the vehicle thrown in, in much the same way that cellphone users get a free or discounted handset when they buy airtime, Agassi said.

     


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