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    My 2005 997S has 996 Brakes !!

    So my brake wear light came on and I ordered new pads and sensors to replace the worn ones. My order arrives and I dig in and jack up the car and take everything apart only to find a few things. The old pads are different from the new pads. The wear sensors are too short to reach from the connection point to the pads. I call the place online where I ordered the parts and after some investigating they tell me that some 2005 997s actually have 996 brakes on them.. So I send all the parts back and take the car to my local dealer. The service adviser first looks at me like I'm a crazy person when I tell him the story but then we go back to the parts department and a woman working back there said she knew EXACTLY what I was talking about. She said many if not ALL 2005 997s that she's seen actually have 996 brakes on them. So after telling her my story as well I bought all 996 brake pads sensors and dampers etc...

    Going to put them on in the next few days...

    Go figure.. I know Porsche likes to add stuff kind of mid model year and whenever they feel like it but this is a part that apparently even the VIN # does not bring up the correct part #. I think if they're going to stick old parts on a new car they should at least code them correctly so when you buy new parts or take the car to the dealer they know what's going on !!


    997 Sensors



    997 Pads


    Re: My 2005 997S has 996 Brakes !!

    Hummm..., So John..., I can't believe what I'm seeing and hearing: are you saying the rotors and calipers are 996 or just a few "inconsequential" components are 996?

    A 997 _S_ can't have the same brakes as a 997 non-S, much less the brakes of a non-s 996!

    YIKES!!

    I mean the stopping power of your car is not up to PUBLISHED specifications! Geez: can they "change" those "specifications without notice!?"


    Re: My 2005 997S has 996 Brakes !!

    Don't the Non S and the S have the same brakes ? Except for painted Red calipers ? They are listed with the same specs on the Porsche web site.... Frankly I'm not entirely sure.. Anyone know ?


    997
    * 4-piston monobloc fixed alloy calipers and ventilated brake discs
    * Anti-lock braking system (ABS)


    997S
    * 4-piston monobloc fixed alloy calipers and ventilated brake discs
    * Anti-lock braking system (ABS)

    Re: My 2005 997S has 996 Brakes !!

    Here we go. This explains the whole situation.

    Still your S should not have the same brakes as the non-S. Both cars do have a 996-based brake system.

    The S has a different set of enlarged rotors and "reinforced" calipers.





    This is from 2005 service info technik introduction (PNA 489 421 05):

    Re: My 2005 997S has 996 Brakes !!

    So ?? Which pads do I need for an S then ? ?? I'm lost again. I need 996 Turbo pads ?

    Re: My 2005 997S has 996 Brakes !!

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    John SF 2005 997 S said:
    So ?? Which pads do I need for an S then ? ?? I'm lost again. I need 996 Turbo pads ?



    I dunno.

    It seems you need the usual brake pads for a 997S. Whether these are the same as the 996 Turbo only the parts catalog can say. All we know is the 997S system is "based" on the 996 Turbo.

    Let's say there's nothing unusual about your 2005 car. IOW your brake components have exactly the same parts numbers as a 997S produced a year later in 2006? My guess is they are; but I'm certainly not an expert.

    I'd call the Porsche dealer Parts Department guy and get the numbers. Maybe make sure he checks against your early VIN number too.

    Also, brake pads for your 997S (all 997Ss) could have a 996 prefix; I dunno. That's really esoteric stuff that only a parts guy would know.

    BTW, it seems your parts woman and man are a little mixed up. They should know both 997s and 997 are "based" on 996 brake system (either 996 turbo or base 996). Apparently there is no unique 997 brake system. Presumably this means they share lots of exact same parts

    Re: My 2005 997S has 996 Brakes !!

    The parts #s for the pads are:

    996-352-949-03

    anyone know how to check what that is supposed to be for ?

    Re: My 2005 997S has 996 Brakes !!

    Never heard of that. The differences is obvious in diameter alone! 996, except for 4S, TT and GT models, and 997 Carrera have the same brake hardware, just as 987 Boxster S and Cayman S. The 997 Carrera S system is derived from the 996 TT system, just as the 997 Carrera S PCCB system is the same as on the 996 Turbo S.

    Are you sure you didn't mix something up along the way?

    Re: My 2005 997S has 996 Brakes !!

    Quote:
    John SF 2005 997 S said:
    The parts #s for the pads are:

    996-352-949-03

    anyone know how to check what that is supposed to be for ?



    John - did you check this ?

    https://techinfo.porsche.com/techinfo/VFModuleManager?Type=MainFrameSet

    The pads alone (not the brake system!) may be the same as for the 996, hence the 996 part number (afaik this number system refers to other parts carried over from the 996 as well). Even different models (like 987) have parts with the 996 numbers - nothing to worry about

    Re: My 2005 997S has 996 Brakes !!

    Finally got the correct parts and got the new front pads installed.

    So for a 2005 997S you need the 996 TURBO brake pads and sensors. For a regular 2005 997 you need the regular 996 pads. From 2006 on they should be 997 pads.... That's what you get for buying a car the first year !!

    Took me about 20 min per wheel to replace the front pads, sensors and damper plates. Not bad and probably saved $500 in labor !

    Happy to answer any questions if you're doing a brake job !

    John

    Re: My 2005 997S has 996 Brakes !!

    I'm (we're) glad you got it figured out and DONE.

    Re: My 2005 997S has 996 Brakes !!

    ...another reason to skip first year model changes.

    Dan

    Re: My 2005 997S has 996 Brakes !!

    Quote:
    John SF 2005 997 S said:
    Finally got the correct parts and got the new front pads installed.

    So for a 2005 997S you need the 996 TURBO brake pads and sensors. For a regular 2005 997 you need the regular 996 pads. From 2006 on they should be 997 pads.... That's what you get for buying a car the first year !!

    John



    Nope. It's the same 996 Turbo pads for a 2006 C2S also.

    Re: My 2005 997S has 996 Brakes !!

    Classic !

    Quote:
    ResB said:
    Quote:
    John SF 2005 997 S said:
    Finally got the correct parts and got the new front pads installed.

    So for a 2005 997S you need the 996 TURBO brake pads and sensors. For a regular 2005 997 you need the regular 996 pads. From 2006 on they should be 997 pads.... That's what you get for buying a car the first year !!

    John



    Nope. It's the same 996 Turbo pads for a 2006 C2S also.


     
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