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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    @Grant great pictures! ,  Here is mine (82N - Sternrubin)IMG_3173.jpg

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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Excellent kiss  I remember that color from 964 RS...


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Wow! Congrats..!


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Whoopsy:

    SO, a few of the 918 owners got their GT3 in manual already like me, we shared some thoughts.

    The general consensus is like mine, the GT3 is too refined, it lost the 'raw'ness of the 911R. The noise is still there, the engine sounds great, but it's missing the rough idle, the extra vibrations from the single mass flywheel. Same can and will be said for the GT3 Touring. 

    For those that thought the GT3 Touring will be a 'poor man's 911R substitute, it cannot be farther form the truth. While it looked almost the same on the outside and almost the same on the inside, they are just as different as a GT3 Touring vs a Carrera S with manual. 

    So, does this mean owners of the 911R who either selected SMFW or regular flywheel also made a decision as big as the one between GT3 Touring and Carrera S?


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Removing the rawness and offering only manual makes no sense, their whole GT3 touring exercise makes no sense... The GT3 touring should have PDK and rear seats...


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    SciFrog:

    The GT3 touring should have PDK and rear seats...

    You forgot convertible roof Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Respect 'm4ever', truly cool. 


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    Apart from the SMFW, there is big difference to make it more dramatic/raw, the plexi rear windows and the roof in magnesium will bring a noticeable difference in term of sound dispersal.Smiley

    Interesting upgrade on new GT3 will be at least the plexi windows and surely very easy to retrofit.Smiley

    Touring, as it was always the case in Porsche history, is always less interesting than ClubSport model.Smiley so I am not surprised on the coming disappointment on customers looking for an affordable R.

    All in all, is it a 200kEuros difference between the R and new GT3? Smiley I don't think soSmiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    m4ever:

    @Grant great pictures! ,  Here is mine (82N - Sternrubin)IMG_3173.jpg

    IMG_9751.JPG

    beautiful color. congratulations.Smiley

    any special options inside the car?


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Grant:
    SciFrog:

    The GT3 touring should have PDK and rear seats...

    You forgot convertible roof Smiley

    autopilot Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Grant:
    Whoopsy:

    SO, a few of the 918 owners got their GT3 in manual already like me, we shared some thoughts.

    The general consensus is like mine, the GT3 is too refined, it lost the 'raw'ness of the 911R. The noise is still there, the engine sounds great, but it's missing the rough idle, the extra vibrations from the single mass flywheel. Same can and will be said for the GT3 Touring. 

    For those that thought the GT3 Touring will be a 'poor man's 911R substitute, it cannot be farther form the truth. While it looked almost the same on the outside and almost the same on the inside, they are just as different as a GT3 Touring vs a Carrera S with manual. 

    So, does this mean owners of the 911R who either selected SMFW or regular flywheel also made a decision as big as the one between GT3 Touring and Carrera S?

     

    Sort of, you either forgo the SMFW and get your car quicker, or wait and hope you get it. Just like you can go to a dealer and buy a Carrera S quicker, or can go put your name down for a GT3 Touring and hope you get one Smiley

     


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    the-missile:

    Apart from the SMFW, there is big difference to make it more dramatic/raw, the plexi rear windows and the roof in magnesium will bring a noticeable difference in term of sound dispersal.Smiley

    Interesting upgrade on new GT3 will be at least the plexi windows and surely very easy to retrofit.Smiley

    Touring, as it was always the case in Porsche history, is always less interesting than ClubSport model.Smiley so I am not surprised on the coming disappointment on customers looking for an affordable R.

    All in all, is it a 200kEuros difference between the R and new GT3? Smiley I don't think soSmiley

     

    The plexiglass window is not available for North American cars.

    As for the sound difference, it's actually not that much different between the 2 cars. Sand and rocks that get throw around in wheel wells can still be heard around there same sound level in both cars.

    The engine note at high rpm is almost the same, slight slight difference, I have to hear them back to back to tell the difference, but that could be down to car insulation or lack of. 

    The 911R is lighter, but it is also more softly sprung, so it has more body roll, the GT3 on the other hand pretty much stay flat, as if it is the lighter one. Go figures.

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    you may not have the plexi in North America but they install the gorilla glass which is apparently equivalent.

    I am not sure the GT3 has this option , it is a weight and noise noticeable difference though.

    engine note will be the same till 8500rpm then the drama of the 3 will start indecision

    the R is lighter but not sure by a huge margin...scaling both on the same bench would give interesting results.

    Spring software is different and probably material, they always advertised the R for road and canyons...


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Porsche 911 GT3 Touring looks good...

    1512423802005image.jpeg

    ...how do you like them apples? Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    the-missile:

    you may not have the plexi in North America but they install the gorilla glass which is apparently equivalent.

    I am not sure the GT3 has this option , it is a weight and noise noticeable difference though.

    engine note will be the same till 8500rpm then the drama of the 3 will start indecision

    the R is lighter but not sure by a huge margin...scaling both on the same bench would give interesting results.

    Spring software is different and probably material, they always advertised the R for road and canyons...

     

    Gorilla glass will only start on the GT2RS, the GT3 has regular glass.

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Congrats m4ever 

    good choice with the 964 RS presentation color...you sure already know the 997 RS of the Porsche Museum in „Sternrubin“.

    Blueflame


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Whoopsy:
    the-missile:

    Apart from the SMFW, there is big difference to make it more dramatic/raw, the plexi rear windows and the roof in magnesium will bring a noticeable difference in term of sound dispersal.Smiley

    Interesting upgrade on new GT3 will be at least the plexi windows and surely very easy to retrofit.Smiley

    Touring, as it was always the case in Porsche history, is always less interesting than ClubSport model.Smiley so I am not surprised on the coming disappointment on customers looking for an affordable R.

    All in all, is it a 200kEuros difference between the R and new GT3? Smiley I don't think soSmiley

     

    The plexiglass window is not available for North American cars.

    As for the sound difference, it's actually not that much different between the 2 cars. Sand and rocks that get throw around in wheel wells can still be heard around there same sound level in both cars.

    The engine note at high rpm is almost the same, slight slight difference, I have to hear them back to back to tell the difference, but that could be down to car insulation or lack of. 

    The 911R is lighter, but it is also more softly sprung, so it has more body roll, the GT3 on the other hand pretty much stay flat, as if it is the lighter one. Go figures.

     

    From a performance standpoint, isn't the GT3 faster than the R?Smiley BTW, have you listened to a .2GT3 with PDK-S at idle?Smiley


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    It doesn't matter much which one is technically faster for driving in the road, unless talking about bragging rights.  It matters which feels more entertaining, especially at the considerably lower limits one is likely to drive a car on the road. 


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    vantagesc:

    It doesn't matter much which one is technically faster for driving in the road, unless talking about bragging rights.  It matters which feels more entertaining, especially at the considerably lower limits one is likely to drive a car on the road. 

     

    For sheer entertainment, I will take the Aston out in torrential downpour!Smiley

     

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    nberry:
    Whoopsy:
    the-missile:

    Apart from the SMFW, there is big difference to make it more dramatic/raw, the plexi rear windows and the roof in magnesium will bring a noticeable difference in term of sound dispersal.Smiley

    Interesting upgrade on new GT3 will be at least the plexi windows and surely very easy to retrofit.Smiley

    Touring, as it was always the case in Porsche history, is always less interesting than ClubSport model.Smiley so I am not surprised on the coming disappointment on customers looking for an affordable R.

    All in all, is it a 200kEuros difference between the R and new GT3? Smiley I don't think soSmiley

     

    The plexiglass window is not available for North American cars.

    As for the sound difference, it's actually not that much different between the 2 cars. Sand and rocks that get throw around in wheel wells can still be heard around there same sound level in both cars.

    The engine note at high rpm is almost the same, slight slight difference, I have to hear them back to back to tell the difference, but that could be down to car insulation or lack of. 

    The 911R is lighter, but it is also more softly sprung, so it has more body roll, the GT3 on the other hand pretty much stay flat, as if it is the lighter one. Go figures.

     

    From a performance standpoint, isn't the GT3 faster than the R?Smiley BTW, have you listened to a .2GT3 with PDK-S at idle?Smiley


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    Sadly no.  There was another GT3 at the dealership that was PDK but it was locked for another customer.

    And yes, the manual GT3 is faster on a track than a manual 911R, it will likely be faster on curvy mountain roads too, and I probably will enjoy it more than the 911R simply because in a GT3 there is no body roll. But the 911R is 'stealthy', unless one pays attention, they wouldn't know what it is and leave me alone.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    if no gorilla glass on GT3, that is a good upgrade to get for a reasonable price straight from the dealer.Smiley

    it is apparently available through order at the dealer since quite some time as some guys here order them on GT3RS in order to be able to tint the rear windows which is impossible with plexi without scratching them badly.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    m4ever:

    ,  Here is mine (82N - Sternrubin)

    Woaw . What a great choice Smiley And those silver rims work very well with the ruby color ! Loved it on the old 964 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Whoopsy:
     

     

    The plexiglass window is not available for North American cars.

    As for the sound difference, it's actually not that much different between the 2 cars. Sand and rocks that get throw around in wheel wells can still be heard around there same sound level in both cars.

    The engine note at high rpm is almost the same, slight slight difference, I have to hear them back to back to tell the difference, but that could be down to car insulation or lack of. 

    The 911R is lighter, but it is also more softly sprung, so it has more body roll, the GT3 on the other hand pretty much stay flat, as if it is the lighter one. Go figures.

     

    So, I dom't really get it . what makes the difference ? Only the single mass fly wheel ?  And on the other hand , does the improved engine in the GT3 not make up for something or is this  '' supposed to be massive improvement '' just BS form marketing and from journalist that need to write something new ? 

    Also , I would suspect the R  + GT3 owners to favor their '' R baby '' , maybe not obviously , but somewhere they must be slightly biased and want to justify the special status of the R . 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    m4ever, what a wonderful and brave choice for color! You do realize you need to make these awesome old and new pictures of both cars now, do you?

    One question; I see the front lip is painted to color, but then the upright part of it right in front of the wheel is still black... will that be painted as well?

    Congrats on such an awesome car mate, terrific!


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    m4ever, very very cool, congratulations. Indeed it reminds me of the 997 3.8 RS at Porsche Museum. Brave choice!


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    I have the same impressions - the Mk2 feels much more refined and the engine in Idle feels completely different - whereas the rattles of the Mk1 are gone. However, the 997RS still is in a different league and feels even more analog. I think the Mk2 is a superbly refined product - it's the summary of many small differences that make it again.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    m4ever:

    @Grant great pictures! ,  Here is mine (82N - Sternrubin)IMG_3173.jpg

    IMG_9751.JPG

     

    Courageous color, it bites a little bit with the red calipers and silver rims but it looks very special indeed. Smiley

    Congrats, enjoy and drive safely. Smiley Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    m4ever:

    @Grant great pictures! ,  Here is mine (82N - Sternrubin)

    IMG_9751.JPG

    brake calipers colour don't work with the body colour .. PCCBs would be a nice contrast


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    Black rims would look epic on it


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    BjoernB:

    Black rims would look epic on it

    Smiley Smiley


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