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    Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    I'm not sure this is the right way to go but....

    http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/porsche-planning-new-911-rsr-gte-car-for-2017/

     

     

     


    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    So the plan is to compete with a mid-rear engine and (probably) turbo charged car in the GTE class, with the engine and gearbox trading places and the whole configuration moved as far forward as possible.

    Not much left then of the classic 911 set up, the 911 bodywork will become misleading camouflage.

    Also, this means no mid-engine race and street car will see the light of day in the foreseeable future.  

    In the class below, the new GT3 R will be a more genuine 911 race car, given shares its engine at least with the street legal RS. The same will apply to the new Cup car for next season. 


    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    ...and much in the same vein as BMW (with all its waivers), really goes against the original concept of GTE (which were supposed to be road going based).


    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    Might this be a move towards a mid-engine platform ala the rumored 960?
    We've seen in the recent past that Porsche is investing a lot in testing techniques in the motorsports befor applying them to the street cars (GT3 rsr hybrid, 919, etc)... So maybe this is a move towards something like that?


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    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    Since the GT3 has no rear seats they totally could and should move the engine...


    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    I seriously doubt it.

    My hunch is that moving the engine/gearbox forward will be, albeit to a much less radical extent than in the new RSR, the hallmark of the 992 generation as well. Possibly also to create some room for manouevre for hybrid system components. 


    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    Justto clarify, for the time being my doubts relate to the prospects for a would-be 960.

    I am totally with SciFrog on his point, at least as far as GT models are concerned. I am not sure if that is a viable configuration strategy for the other Carrera and Turbo models, though.


    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    I wonder if this mid course switch is a result of reduction in development funding for completely new chassis (96x) because of the VW emission issue.  Appears they will be leveraging  components of Cayman configuration for the next generation RSR.


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    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    bobr:

    I wonder if this mid course switch is a result of reduction in development funding for completely new chassis (96x) because of the VW emission issue.  Appears they will be leveraging  components of Cayman configuration for the next generation RSR.

    Struck me as sort of an inexpensive short-term solution as well.


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    http://www.racer.com/wec-le-mans/item/123931-vw-chief-promises-motorsport-backing

     


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    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    Grant:
    bobr:

    I wonder if this mid course switch is a result of reduction in development funding for completely new chassis (96x) because of the VW emission issue.  Appears they will be leveraging  components of Cayman configuration for the next generation RSR.

    Struck me as sort of an inexpensive short-term solution as well.


    At first I also thought that might be the reason, but it looks like development work on the car has been going on for six months, so way before the diesel scandal.


    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    Spyderidol:
    Grant:
    bobr:

    I wonder if this mid course switch is a result of reduction in development funding for completely new chassis (96x) because of the VW emission issue.  Appears they will be leveraging  components of Cayman configuration for the next generation RSR.

    Struck me as sort of an inexpensive short-term solution as well.


    At first I also thought that might be the reason, but it looks like development work on the car has been going on for six months, so way before the diesel scandal.

    A number of people I have spoken  with Smiley  confirmed a mid-engine car. Also, I thought the change in course may be a result of the performance of the new Ford GT and Ferrari's switch to the turbo. Understand the Ford GT is a monster.  Will be interesting to see when the car breaks cover next spring. Perhaps we will be looking at the basis for the next GT3.


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    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    bobr:
    Spyderidol:
    Grant:
    bobr:

    I wonder if this mid course switch is a result of reduction in development funding for completely new chassis (96x) because of the VW emission issue.  Appears they will be leveraging  components of Cayman configuration for the next generation RSR.

    Struck me as sort of an inexpensive short-term solution as well.


    At first I also thought that might be the reason, but it looks like development work on the car has been going on for six months, so way before the diesel scandal.

    A number of people I have spoken  with Smiley  confirmed a mid-engine car. Also, I thought the change in course may be a result of the performance of the new Ford GT and Ferrari's switch to the turbo. Understand the Ford GT is a monster.  Will be interesting to see when the car breaks cover next spring. Perhaps we will be looking at the basis for the next GT3.

    I suspect that the proposed move to a mid-engined layout is not a short-notice knee-jerk reaction to the current competition so much as the acknowledgement that Porsche finally has to grasp the nettle of moving away from a rear-engined layout for GT racing, even if it means that the RSR becomes just a "silhouette" version of the rear-engined street 911. 

    From my understanding of the interview with Dr Walliser, since the racing programme for 2017 has yet to be confirmed, this mid-engined 911 silhouette concept might be retained beyond 2016?      Smiley


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    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    fritz:
    bobr:
    Spyderidol:
    Grant:
    bobr:

    I wonder if this mid course switch is a result of reduction in development funding for completely new chassis (96x) because of the VW emission issue.  Appears they will be leveraging  components of Cayman configuration for the next generation RSR.

    Struck me as sort of an inexpensive short-term solution as well.


    At first I also thought that might be the reason, but it looks like development work on the car has been going on for six months, so way before the diesel scandal.

    A number of people I have spoken  with Smiley  confirmed a mid-engine car. Also, I thought the change in course may be a result of the performance of the new Ford GT and Ferrari's switch to the turbo. Understand the Ford GT is a monster.  Will be interesting to see when the car breaks cover next spring. Perhaps we will be looking at the basis for the next GT3.

    I suspect that the proposed move to a mid-engined layout is not a short-notice knee-jerk reaction to the current competition so much as the acknowledgement that Porsche finally has to grasp the nettle of moving away from a rear-engined layout for GT racing, even if it means that the RSR becomes just a "silhouette" version of the rear-engined street 911. 

    From my understanding of the interview with Dr Walliser, since the racing programme for 2017 has yet to be confirmed, this mid-engined 911 silhouette concept might be retained beyond 2016?      Smiley

    I'm not quite following you.The so called silhouette car will only be raced in 2017, so beyond 2016.

    The issue I have with this is that a properly designed platform for a mid-engine car is surely better than an adapted (modified) rear-engine platform.

    Anyway, lets see what they come up with.


    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    Spyderidol:
    fritz:
    bobr:
    Spyderidol:
    Grant:
    bobr:

    I wonder if this mid course switch is a result of reduction in development funding for completely new chassis (96x) because of the VW emission issue.  Appears they will be leveraging  components of Cayman configuration for the next generation RSR.

    Struck me as sort of an inexpensive short-term solution as well.


    At first I also thought that might be the reason, but it looks like development work on the car has been going on for six months, so way before the diesel scandal.

    A number of people I have spoken  with Smiley  confirmed a mid-engine car. Also, I thought the change in course may be a result of the performance of the new Ford GT and Ferrari's switch to the turbo. Understand the Ford GT is a monster.  Will be interesting to see when the car breaks cover next spring. Perhaps we will be looking at the basis for the next GT3.

    I suspect that the proposed move to a mid-engined layout is not a short-notice knee-jerk reaction to the current competition so much as the acknowledgement that Porsche finally has to grasp the nettle of moving away from a rear-engined layout for GT racing, even if it means that the RSR becomes just a "silhouette" version of the rear-engined street 911. 

    From my understanding of the interview with Dr Walliser, since the racing programme for 2017 has yet to be confirmed, this mid-engined 911 silhouette concept might be retained beyond 2016?      Smiley

    I'm not quite following you.The so called silhouette car will only be raced in 2017, so beyond 2016.

    The issue I have with this is that a properly designed platform for a mid-engine car is surely better than an adapted (modified) rear-engine platform.

    Anyway, lets see what they come up with.

    Not too surprising. Smiley  I should have written " .... might be retained beyond 2017".  
    (Maybe I'm having problems accepting such long lead times for racing programmes!).

    The text of the article is rather ambiguous in several points:
    "Walliser did confirm that a bespoke mid-engine Porsche GTE car was in the pipeline, initially for 2016, but the decision was made to instead remain with a 911-based model instead.
    “When I took over, we justified the technical concepts again,” he said. “I made some decisions but that delayed the program by approximately half a year.
    “As you cannot do a mid-season entry, [the new car] will be for 2017… We have a high commitment to the 911. It’s our [key] sports car and it stands for Porsche.”"


    I take it that the "bespoke mid-engine Porsche GTE car ... in the pipeline" would be a completely new car not based on the 911 (rumoured 960?), and it is still unclear whether it has been scrubbed completely or just postponed until after decisions have been finalised regarding activities (and budgets) for 2017. Those activities might have to include developing and building that new car as a replacement for the 911 "silhouette" car for use after the 2017 season, making the silhouette just a stop-gap car.   Smiley  "We have a high commitment to the 911" is not  necessarily the same as saying "We decided we had to stick with the 911 shape".

    We may  -   or may not  -  learn more after 12th, December.


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    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    I guess a racing mid-engined 911 is not without precedent - we had the 993 and 996 GT1 in the late 90's...


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    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    Grant:

    I guess a racing mid-engined 911 is not without precedent - we had the 993 and 996 GT1 in the late 90's...

    Yes, but there were still rear-engined 993 GT2 cars racing alongside them (OK, behind them Smiley) as 911 proxies at that time. 


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    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    Well you'll always have the Cup Cars etc. to fly the banner for 911 racing. I would have to think a 960 or something other than a 911 that had been cut up to be mid-engined would also be inherently more aerodynamic as well. 


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    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    fritz:
    Spyderidol:
    fritz:
    bobr:
    Spyderidol:
    Grant:
    bobr:

    I wonder if this mid course switch is a result of reduction in development funding for completely new chassis (96x) because of the VW emission issue.  Appears they will be leveraging  components of Cayman configuration for the next generation RSR.

    Struck me as sort of an inexpensive short-term solution as well.


    At first I also thought that might be the reason, but it looks like development work on the car has been going on for six months, so way before the diesel scandal.

    A number of people I have spoken  with Smiley  confirmed a mid-engine car. Also, I thought the change in course may be a result of the performance of the new Ford GT and Ferrari's switch to the turbo. Understand the Ford GT is a monster.  Will be interesting to see when the car breaks cover next spring. Perhaps we will be looking at the basis for the next GT3.

    I suspect that the proposed move to a mid-engined layout is not a short-notice knee-jerk reaction to the current competition so much as the acknowledgement that Porsche finally has to grasp the nettle of moving away from a rear-engined layout for GT racing, even if it means that the RSR becomes just a "silhouette" version of the rear-engined street 911. 

    From my understanding of the interview with Dr Walliser, since the racing programme for 2017 has yet to be confirmed, this mid-engined 911 silhouette concept might be retained beyond 2016?      Smiley

    I'm not quite following you.The so called silhouette car will only be raced in 2017, so beyond 2016.

    The issue I have with this is that a properly designed platform for a mid-engine car is surely better than an adapted (modified) rear-engine platform.

    Anyway, lets see what they come up with.

    Not too surprising. Smiley  I should have written " .... might be retained beyond 2017".  
    (Maybe I'm having problems accepting such long lead times for racing programmes!).

    The text of the article is rather ambiguous in several points:
    "Walliser did confirm that a bespoke mid-engine Porsche GTE car was in the pipeline, initially for 2016, but the decision was made to instead remain with a 911-based model instead.
    “When I took over, we justified the technical concepts again,” he said. “I made some decisions but that delayed the program by approximately half a year.
    “As you cannot do a mid-season entry, [the new car] will be for 2017… We have a high commitment to the 911. It’s our [key] sports car and it stands for Porsche.”"


    I take it that the "bespoke mid-engine Porsche GTE car ... in the pipeline" would be a completely new car not based on the 911 (rumoured 960?), and it is still unclear whether it has been scrubbed completely or just postponed until after decisions have been finalised regarding activities (and budgets) for 2017. Those activities might have to include developing and building that new car as a replacement for the 911 "silhouette" car for use after the 2017 season, making the silhouette just a stop-gap car.   Smiley  "We have a high commitment to the 911" is not  necessarily the same as saying "We decided we had to stick with the 911 shape".

    We may  -   or may not  -  learn more after 12th, December.


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    fritz

     

    My apologies! I should have known you meant 2017.

    I think what was in fact meant is that there was a mid-engine non 911 based car in the pipeline, but that has been scrapped (for the foreseeable future) .. I don't think the "silhouette" will be a stop gap car, as I suspect development budgets will be tight (given the diesel "scandal").

    I continue to think that it is a risky option given the strength of the opposition. If it works out, then great, but if it does not, then the 911's reputation will be tarnished. I suppose if they screw it up , they can always rely on BoP.

    I personally think that Porsche missed a golden opportunity to free itself from the 911 straight jacket .  Porsche, of course, don't see it that way...and they are usually correct. Let's hope they are right this time too.

     

     


    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    Spyderidol, I agree with your thoughts 100%.


    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    Wow - finally no more Mezger engine in the RSR.  In fact they mention the Carrera engine and not the GT3 engine! Sweet!


    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    Pictures and information of the new car will be revealed tomorrow.


    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    Spyderidol:

    Pictures and information of the new car will be revealed tomorrow.

    Looking forward to it! Smiley


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    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    Me too...blush


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    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    +1, can't wait to see it blush


    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

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    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    Great pics, any technical specs yet?


    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    Very wide, and no pics from the rear...for obvious reasons.


    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    I don't see any substantial air inlets in the front... or is the entire lower front bumper mesh?


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    Re: Porsche Confirms New 911 RSR GTE Car for 2017

    Joost:

    I don't see any substantial air inlets in the front... or is the entire lower front bumper mesh?

    It is, indeed. 


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