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    Singapore F1 Grand Prix

    1 week to go till Friday Practice - starting this thread just a little early Needed to take my exhausted mind off the mayhem of the global financial crisis.

    But I'm starting this thread a little early because I'm also genuinely excited and fascinated by the prospect of a F1 GP race happening at night under lights on a street circuit. It could be a really wonderful spectacle BUT it could easily be catastrophic if proper safety is not ensured.

    Hopefully on Monday 22 Sept, we'll hear the outcome of McLaren's appeal against Lewis Hamilton's 25 second penalty that had the effect of costing Lewis his Spa victory. That debate is still rumbling along...

    Also in the background, there is the game of musical chairs regarding driver line ups for 2009. There's some talk about Alonso moving to BMW Sauber to replace Heidfeld. The alternative view I have heard is that Kubica may even move - since his relationship with the team is not as good as it once was. But it seems unlikely he would move since BMW is the best possibility open for him.

    The most outlandish theory I read was that Kimi agreed the 1 extra year to his contract - despite his plan to retire at the end of 2008 - just to get 1 more year's pay off in return for supporting Felipe's title bid this year. This would free up a seat at Scuderia Ferrari for Alonso or Kubica. Far-fetched huh? But this is the kind of rumour and speculation that the 'old women' in F1 talk about....

    Here's a recent article on this subject:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A41052133

    I just want to see an exciting race next weekend - something really different. Here's to Singapore

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    Guess where I am going ??? We are flying on Thursday at 1600hrs and back on Sunday (actually Monday morning) at 0300hrs. Taking the opportunity as I am halve way already being posted to the Middle East. I am looking really forward to the race as well and will be cheering for Lewis all the way, fingers crossed he will get the win.

    Any more people going to see the night race in Singapore???

    Cheers,

    Mark

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    Enjoy it Mark But don't forget to take your umbrella! The 10 day weather forecast on The Weather Channel is predicting thunderstorms:

    http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/SNXX0006?from=36hr_topnav_business

    Have fun mate and don't forget to take some pictures for us

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    I think it could be a very, very difficult race driving at night under lights with rain showers. Visibility in the wet at night will be even worse than last weekend at Monza Could be a recipe for multi-car pile-ups and lots of carbon fibre fragments all over the track. Even if one drives safely, the risk of fragments causing punctures is higher.

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    No doubt it will be interesting no matter what the weather looks like.
    Personally I think it's a disaster waiting to happen, having a GP at night.
    What is the point? If they think we need more drama, then ad more circuits where overtaking is possible.
    I think they have been watching too much Granturismo or Need for Speed

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    It's Bernie Ecclestone, the showman, putting on a spectacle (like a theatre impressario or a circus ringmaster) rather than a sport doing what's best for the sport itself. In that sense, I like motoGP much more. Hopefully, common sense will prevail and there is AFAIK a power to hold the race during daylight if it is felt by the race organisers that a night race is not possible given the weather conditions... somebody please correct me if I am mistaken on this.

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    easy_rider911 said:
    Enjoy it Mark But don't forget to take your umbrella! The 10 day weather forecast on The Weather Channel is predicting thunderstorms:

    http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/SNXX0006?from=36hr_topnav_business

    Have fun mate and don't forget to take some pictures for us



    Ouch, I didn't look at the forecast as yet but like you pointed out already there is a good chance of rain. And if it rains in Singapore it poors (from experience), probably will initiate a couple of safety cars. Indeed need to take my brolly ! I'll take loads of pictures and will post them on the board (there are copy right on any pictures taken so we need to keep it between us )

    Not sure what Ferarri is going to do as rain is going to give them another difficult race, good for lewis though, he is a real nice guy and excellent driver (just watched Lewis Top Gear stint last year, nice guy !!!! hup Lewis.

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    Relocated to Singapore about a year ago - the same time as when Singers won the bid to host the Night Race. There's been so much hype surrounding the event, including added froth in the property market due to having another tourist attraction on the tiny island (although now deflated somewhat by the credit crisis fallout!).

    Over the last week, it's been very surreal seeing the scaffolding, fencing, track-side seats, corporate boxes and street race lights transforming the financial district (CBD) of the Republic (I'll have a free view of the circuit from my office seat ).

    However, as tantalising as it looks, I think it's going to be a huge logistical challenge. Ticketing systems have already imploded several times due to sales volumes (friend of mine said he accidentally received someone else's tickets and that was after a one-month delay, and numerous phone calls to convince the ticketing office he was not the addressee of the wrongly delivered tickets!). Also, I drove along the Nicoll Highway yesterday (the straight stretch next to Fullerton Hotel) to check out the site and it's going to be interesting to see how the drivers fare with the night lights glaring straight in their eyes as they negotiate a near hairpin turn out of Anderson Bridge (which in itself is a pretty narrow)!

    Speaking of the lighting - did you know that Lehman is (or was) one of the event sponsors? I wonder if they'll have enough funding to switch on the lights!

    Anyway, it's going to be a massive event for Singers and no doubt, it will provide some serious viewing pleasure! If any of you Rennteamers are around for it, am happy to meet up before/after for a few pints!

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    Slightly off topic, but I'm currently negotiating a job at Yas Island in Abu Dhabi. The new F1 track is part of the scheme.

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    Quote:
    Markdsv said:
    Guess where I am going ??? We are flying on Thursday at 1600hrs and back on Sunday (actually Monday morning) at 0300hrs. Taking the opportunity as I am halve way already being posted to the Middle East. I am looking really forward to the race as well and will be cheering for Lewis all the way, fingers crossed he will get the win.

    Any more people going to see the night race in Singapore???

    Cheers,

    Mark



    Yep - will be there too.....

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    Thrilled at the prospect of seeing a night race.
    Hope it works out safe for all involved.
    Not real wild about once again having a 7am start local time.

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    easy_rider911 said:
    It's Bernie Ecclestone, the showman, putting on a spectacle (like a theatre impressario or a circus ringmaster) rather than a sport doing what's best for the sport itself. In that sense, I like motoGP much more. Hopefully, common sense will prevail and there is AFAIK a power to hold the race during daylight if it is felt by the race organisers that a night race is not possible given the weather conditions... somebody please correct me if I am mistaken on this.



    Didn't you like the Moto GP night race? It was quite cool.

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    VIDEO: Singapore GP Preview

    SPEED TV has created a computerized lap of the course narrated by Mark Webber taking you through the 24 corners.

    http://www.autoblog.com/2008/09/19/video-singapore-gp-preview/

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    I'll be seating at Grandstand A. I usually root for rain during grand prix's but I hope not in this case... They get serious downpours around here and umbrellas will not be allowed!

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    temm said:
    VIDEO: Singapore GP Preview

    SPEED TV has created a computerized lap of the course narrated by Mark Webber taking you through the 24 corners.

    http://www.autoblog.com/2008/09/19/video-singapore-gp-preview/



    Noyse mate!

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    Hi,

    I will be in Grandstand A7 and are really looking forward to the race, we are flying on Thursday !! Staying with friends in Singers to cut our spending a bit, the Grandstand ticket wasn't cheap !!!

    Cheers,

    Mark

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    Presume the reason its at night is more to do with tv broadcast in Europe beig during the day, unlike Chinese and Japanese GPs.

    I have a fear it will be as dull a circuit as Valencia's, hope I'm wrong.

    As to Hamilton, the hearing is today, the FIA announcement is tomorrow.

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    Still no data yet from Friday's 1st Practice...

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    Watched practice on the ITV-F1 web site..
    1. HAMILTON McLaren 1m45.518s
    2. MASSA Ferrari 1m45.598s
    3. RAIKKONEN Ferrari 1m45.961s
    4. KOVALAINEN McLaren 1m46.463s
    5. KUBICA BMW 1m46.618s
    6. ROSBERG Williams 1m46.710s
    7. ALONSO Renault 1m46.725s
    8. HEIDFELD BMW 1m46.964s
    9. PIQUET Renault 1m47.175s
    10. BUTTON Honda 1m47.277s
    11. VETTEL Toro Rosso 1m47.570s
    12. NAKAJIMA Williams 1m47.662s
    13. GLOCK Toyota 1m47.706s
    14. BOURDAIS Toro Rosso 1m48.097s
    15. COULTHARD Red Bull 1m48.517s
    16. BARRICHELLO Honda 1m48.725s
    17. SUTIL Force India 1m48.839s
    18. FISICHELLA Force India 1m48.906s
    19. TRULLI Toyota 1m49.064s
    20. WEBBER Red Bull 1m53.703s



    Looked really good under the lights - not sure what the drivers made of it yet.

    Did notice one of the chicanes was easy to 'cut'... phew.. at least the FIA have their weapon in the pocket if the need it

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    Singaporean Grand Prix - Practice 1 times:

    1) Hamilton, McLaren-Mercedes , 1:45.518, 20 laps
    2) Massa , Ferrari , 1:45.598 + 0.080, 23
    3) Raikkonen, Ferrari , 1:45.961 + 0.443, 24
    4) Kovalainen, McLaren-Mercedes , 1:46.463 + 0.945, 20
    5) Kubica, BMW Sauber , 1:46.618 + 1.100, 23
    6) Rosberg, Williams-Toyota , 1:46.710 + 1.192, 25
    7) Alonso, Renault , 1:46.725 + 1.207, 29
    8) Heidfeld, BMW Sauber , 1:46.964 + 1.446, 24
    9) Piquet, Renault , 1:47.175 + 1.657, 30
    10) Button, Honda , 1:47.277 + 1.759, 30
    11) Vettel, Toro Rosso-Ferrari , 1:47.570 + 2.052, 28
    12) Nakajima, Williams-Toyota , 1:47.662 + 2.144, 23
    13) Glock, Toyota , 1:47.706 + 2.188, 27
    14) Bourdais, Toro Rosso-Ferrari , 1:48.097 + 2.579, 16
    15) Coulthard, Red Bull-Renault , 1:48.517 + 2.999, 23
    16) Barrichello, Honda , 1:48.725 + 3.207, 19
    17) Sutil, Force India-Ferrari , 1:48.839 + 3.321, 24
    18) Fisichella, Force India-Ferrari , 1:48.906 + 3.388, 25
    19) Trulli, Toyota , 1:49.064 + 3.546, 29
    20) Webber, Red Bull-Renault , 1:53.703 + 8.185, 4

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    Thanks guys - appreciate it

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    Quote:
    easy_rider911 said:
    Thanks guys - appreciate it



    No problem

    Singaporean Grand Prix - Practice 2 times:

    1) Alonso Renault , 1:45.654, 30 laps
    2) Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes , 1:45.752 + 0.098, 28
    3) Massa Ferrari , 1:45.793 + 0.139, 31
    4) Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes , 1:45.797 + 0.143, 31
    5) Rosberg Williams-Toyota , 1:46.164 + 0.510, 34
    6) Kubica BMW Sauber , 1:46.384 + 0.730, 36
    7) Raikkonen Ferrari , 1:46.580 + 0.926, 25
    8) Button Honda , 1:46.901 + 1.247, 32
    9) Nakajima Williams-Toyota , 1:47.013 + 1.359, 32
    10) Glock Toyota , 1:47.046 + 1.392, 22
    11) Webber Red Bull-Renault , 1:47.137 + 1.483, 15
    12) Piquet Renault , 1:47.145 + 1.491, 35
    13) Vettel Toro Rosso-Ferrari , 1:47.300 + 1.646, 33
    14) Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari , 1:47.487 + 1.833, 24
    15) Coulthard Red Bull-Renault , 1:47.640 + 1.986, 31
    16) Heidfeld BMW Sauber , 1:47.760 + 2.106, 36
    17) Fisichella Force India-Ferrari , 1:47.965 + 2.311, 12
    18) Barrichello Honda , 1:48.009 + 2.355, 25
    19) Trulli Toyota , 1:48.059 + 2.405, 28
    20) Sutil Force India-Ferrari , 1:48.311 + 2.657, 36

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    WOW massa! .6 faster than hamilton!
    Hamilton was very very lucky today not to be knocked out... Thanks to Alonso's problems..

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    We have to admit that Massa is rising, and in the absence of any star drivers in the right cars, he might clinch it!

    I wish Kimi was in a position for back to back titles, but something is missing this year. Perhaps, after chasing the title and failing with Mclaren for so many years and after his success last year, he is depleted.

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    I really hope to see Massa win this one. Btw, what a great event. I wished I had gone with my friends. Next year, I am definitely going!

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    Out qualifying second place man by 0.6 secs and his team mate by 0.8 implies the time may have been aided with being a little lighter on fuel too. Great qualifying lap nevertheless.

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    However, there was bitter disappointment for Fernando Alonso, who had looked very fast in three practive sessions but must start from 15th on the grid.

    The Spaniard's Renault cut out midway through the second qualifying session leaving Alonso with little alternative but to abandon the car.

    "The race is lost. You can't overtake here and I'm starting from 15th, so I will be going out just to lap the track, but it's over already," he said.



    What a defeatist. It ain't over till it's over he should know that.

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    Heidfeld and Barrichello.
    I sure hope a three place grid penalty is far greater than a 10,000 Euro fine.
    I believe it is, but I still feel like Rubins got a raw deal.

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    I have a feeling today's race will see a lot of collisions into walls and into each other. It's a very bumpy track in places which will make things unpredictable. Alonso should be more optimistic and positive - if he stays out of trouble, he could actually rise quite high up by the end of the race.

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    Quote:
    ResB said:
    Quote:
    However, there was bitter disappointment for Fernando Alonso, who had looked very fast in three practive sessions but must start from 15th on the grid.

    The Spaniard's Renault cut out midway through the second qualifying session leaving Alonso with little alternative but to abandon the car.

    "The race is lost. You can't overtake here and I'm starting from 15th, so I will be going out just to lap the track, but it's over already," he said.



    What a defeatist. It ain't over till it's over he should know that.



    Typical for Alonso, he has no talent/skill worthy of a Champion, he can only win with superior car or position, he is just making his pre-race excuses for not winning the GP. Somehow he thinks the whole world is against him and it will NEVER be his fault for not winning, it will either be the car, the engine, the opposition, the weather, the sun's position, the moon phase or any combinations of the above's fault.

     
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