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Nov 24, 2011 10:39:10 AM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004

2012 F1 Pre-Season

Guys, after this weekend's final race in Brazil, some of us will no doubt suffer F1 withdrawal symptoms .... so please feel free to post any news on winter testing, rule changes, driver line ups for 2012 etc here :)

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Nov 24, 2011 10:44:47 AM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: easy_rider911

Re: 2012 Pre-Season

I'm keen to see what will be decided at the World Motor Sports Council meeting in December 2011.

I expect the Austin race will be officially called off then.

Also, I would expect to see a decision to be made about Bahrain too. The Bahraini ruler has called for action folowing an independent report on human rights violations during the 2011 Bahrain uprising. Call me cynical, but the timing of his announcement neatly gives him time to lobby interested parties before the next WMSC meeting.

Hopefully, there will be more clarity about driver line ups for 2012.

Force India said they would make an announcement after Abu Dhabi. Still no news yet.

I wonder who Toro Rosso will pick. Ricciardo? Vergne?

Will Barrichello join Renault?

Will Raikkonen join Williams?

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Nov 24, 2011 10:50:16 AM

dxpetrov: Senior; Loc: UAE , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 562, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 8, 2011; Reply to: easy_rider911

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Interesting! Torro Rosso draft McLaren's chief designer! Wouldn't call it an improvement as per latest results... :)

http://t.co/9t38gyki

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Nov 24, 2011 12:20:13 PM

Enmanuel: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Boston , United States; Posts: 8536, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2008; Reply to: dxpetrov

Re: 2012 Pre-Season

hahaha "F1 withdrawal symptoms" thats a correct term, I find myself wondering if i missed a race and then i remember we're done with the season.

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Nov 24, 2011 12:55:57 PM

BjoernB: Rennteam Master; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 4090, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 19, 2004; Reply to: Enmanuel

Re: 2012 Pre-Season

I do not expect a big change for 2012 compared to 2011 - except that I am hoping Mercedes will be able to compete of the level of RB,MCL and Ferrari. I believe that Red-bull will still be the team to beat - but hope Vettel will not continue with his poles/winning and "gets a bit more nervous" while not being in front all the time controlling the race - I just cannot handle another season seeing that finger..... smiley -

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Nov 25, 2011 8:29:02 PM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: BjoernB

Re: 2012 Pre-Season

GOOOOOOooooooooooooooooo VETTELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

that is all for now.

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Nov 29, 2011 8:22:49 AM

Thoma: Veteran; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 855, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 5, 2005; Reply to: Atzporsche

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/8922291/Kimi-Raikkonen-set-for-Formula-One-return-after-signing-a-two-year-deal-with-Lotus-Renault-GP.html

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Nov 29, 2011 9:52:35 AM

throt: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 6028, Gallery; Registered on: May 9, 2005; Reply to: Thoma

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Good news for F1 imo.

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Nov 29, 2011 12:19:34 PM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: throt

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+1 Good to see Kimi come back to where he belongs. Rallying for 2 years got that out of his system (I hope) but it's clear where his talent lies.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/11/raikkonen-makes-dramatic-f1-comeback-with-lotus-renault/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/15934329.stm

Hamilton planning to re-sign with McLaren beyond 2012

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/15928246.stm

Charles Pic replaces Jerome d'Ambrosio at Marussia Virgin Racing

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/15911369.stm

Patrick Head leaving frontline role at Williams

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2011/11/12856.html

Barichello thinks he will return in 2012

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7340781/Barrichello-I-know-I-will-be-back

Ferrari plan to be creative in 2012

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7339149/Fry-Ferrari-to-adopt-creative-approach

Tony Fernandes's vision for Caterham F1 in 2012

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/11/fernandes-outlines-vision-of-caterham-f1/

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Nov 29, 2011 4:49:39 PM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: easy_rider911

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Ferrari = creative and aggressive. Hopefully that works for them.

Not particularly thrilled about Kimi returning, I've always found him a bit back-stabbing in his ways.

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indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine.. I happen to like both :)

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Nov 30, 2011 4:37:20 PM

Carrageous: Veteran; Loc: Austin, TX , United States; Posts: 1197, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 5, 2003; Reply to: Atzporsche

Re: 2012 Pre-Season

Hate to see Bruno Senna dropped, if that's what's happening. I thought one great feature of the past season was the quality of the rookie class. Senna drove well, as did Di Resta and Perez. Fun to watch.

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Dec 5, 2011 1:38:07 PM

dxpetrov: Senior; Loc: UAE , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 562, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 8, 2011; Reply to: Carrageous

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Oh, this is hilarious!

Although needs few advises about what to wear, this guys, although a WC, is so funny outside the track!

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Dec 5, 2011 6:12:57 PM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: dxpetrov

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Dec 6, 2011 9:32:08 AM

BjoernB: Rennteam Master; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 4090, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 19, 2004; Reply to: Atzporsche

Dec 19, 2011 11:07:58 AM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: BjoernB

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Hulkenberg & Di Resta drive for Force India in 2012. Sutil loses out.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/16222284.stm

Ricciardo & Vergne drive for Toro Rosso in 2012. Both Alguersuari and Buemi are dumped. The decision regarding Buemi doesn't surprise me but I'm surprised about Alguersuari. He scored more points than Buemi especially in the second half of the 2011 season.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/16187987.stm

Grosjean to drive with Raikkonen at Lotus (Renault)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/16105103.stm

Both Petrov and Senna are out.

Lotus is targeting a F1 championship win within 3 years. I think there is a near zero percent chance of this actually happening.

There is no evidence to believe Lotus is on an upward trend and no evidence to suggest that RBR will lose its dominance. Also, McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes will not be hibernating over the winter. Lotus Renault is indulging in wishful thinking IMvHO.

AFAIK the vacant race seats are at Williams and HRT. It's not looking good for Barrichello.

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Dec 19, 2011 11:08:48 AM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: easy_rider911

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Here's the Lotus link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/16125169.stm

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Dec 20, 2011 10:45:54 AM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: easy_rider911

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List of driver line ups so far for 2012

http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/7384361/Only-Two-Seats-Still-Available

It's rumoured that Sutil will join Williams alongside Maldonado.

Looks like it could be the end of the road for Barrichello. IMO he should have bowed out gracefully with dignity at the Brazilian GP, his home race, at a time of his choosing rather than being dumped by his current team. I hope Alguersuari can join HRT ... it's a Spanish team after all and this would make for a good place for Alguersuari to learn a lot from PDLR.

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Dec 21, 2011 12:33:30 PM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: easy_rider911

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Sad personal news for FA .. his marriage of 5 years just ended.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/12/fernando-alonso-in-the-headlines-as-the-year-draws-to-a-close/

A good article summarising the situation so far re remaining driver seats

http://www.planetf1.com/editorial/7378462/Formula-One-Musical-Chairs

Adrian Newey on the design challenges for 2012 following the banning of blown exhaust gas diffusers

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7380201/Newey-Back-to-the-drawing-board

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Dec 21, 2011 12:42:25 PM

Carrageous: Veteran; Loc: Austin, TX , United States; Posts: 1197, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 5, 2003; Reply to: easy_rider911

Re: 2012 Pre-Season

So many talented drivers! I hope Alguersuari finds a seat. I wish Senna and Hulkenberg could have, too. But the top of the mountain doesn't have much standing room, does it?

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Dec 21, 2011 8:42:36 PM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: Carrageous

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Hulkenberg is joining Di Resta at Force India. Sutil is out.

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Dec 21, 2011 8:50:29 PM

Ferdie: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Europe , Germany; Posts: 8208, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2004; Reply to: Carrageous

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Thanks Easy for the links, missed your daily news while you were on vacation. indecision

I agree that there is a huge bunch of very good drivers out there. The career latter at least in Europe produced some remarkable and professionally acting talent that is performing on a very high level. Drivers such as Alguersuari or Senna are far from lacking talent yet face some heavy competition. Very curious how Raikkoenen will fair, Schumachers results show that time in F1 is moving on...

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Dec 22, 2011 12:16:26 PM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: Ferdie

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I think Kimi will struggle ... rather like Schumi has done. F1 moves quickly and Kimi has missed a lot of the changes e.g. Pirelli tyres (which has been a massive issue for some drivers), no-refuelling (weight distribution challenge when driving) etc.

His thoughts on 'coming home' to F1.

http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/7391536/Raikkonen-I-Feel-Like-I-m-Coming-Home

What he doesn't appear to realise is that the F1 he is 'coming home' to is not the F1 he left.

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Dec 22, 2011 12:19:05 PM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: easy_rider911

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Schumi, 7 times world champion, has struggled to outperform Rosberg who has never been on pole, never won a race and not come near to winning a championship. It's never easy to get back in the saddle.

Massa has been nowhere near his best since his accident.

I fear the same outcome for Kubica too.

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Dec 28, 2011 12:34:37 PM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: easy_rider911

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Trulli optimistic re Caterham F1 ... they will finally have KERS

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7398039/Trulli-Caterham-can-score-points

Meanwhile Martin Brundle thinks Vitaly Petrov may replace Jarno Trulli at Caterham F1

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7391953/Brundle-tips-Petrov-for-Caterham-seat

Could Barrichello be staying at Williams? RB is 'waiting for good news' from Williams. This could mean anything and IMO one should not read too much into it.

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7392502/Barrichello-hints-at-new-deal

Meanwhile Adam Parr of Williams thinks they can turn things around. I see no evidence to suggest this. All there has been is a change of personnel. Even if they do manage it, it will take 3-5 years IMO.

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7397823/Parr-Williams-will-turn-things-around

Hulkenberg on 2012 at Force India

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7395282/Hulkenberg-ready-to-establish-himself

LCdM thinks Alonso is the 'strongest' driver. I agree.

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7396765/Luca-I-wouldn-t-swap-Alonso-for-anyone

Ricciardo says he needs to be more aggressive. Who is his PR guy? He should not be making negative comments about himself even before the season has started. What is the point of managing expectations from now? He should keep such thoughts/doubts to himself until after the first few races. I suspect he is already worried about being outshone by his rookie team mate, Jean Eric Vergne. He is counting the chicken before the egg has hatched IMO.

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7398746/Ricciardo-eyes-aggressive-starts

Damon Hill is a nice guy but is proving how out of touch he is. He thinks Kimi could win more F1 titles. What grounds is he basing this opinion on?

http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/7398833/Hill-Kimi-Can-Win-More-Championships

Some remarkable facts about the 2011 season that just ended

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/12/why-2011-was-a-record-year-for-formula-1/

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Dec 29, 2011 11:19:45 AM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: easy_rider911

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Interesting defensive comments from Trulli against pay drivers now that his race seat is rumoured to be insecure

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7399017/Trulli-Pay-drivers-are-less-committed

Fascinating view from Gerhard Berger on STR axing Alguersuari and Buemi

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7399182/Berger-STR-made-right-decision

I agree that STR needs to find drivers who could eventually be considered for RBR but stating that Buemi and Alguersuari were of the same standard is not fair IMO - Alguersuari had a much, much stronger 2nd half to the 2011 season than Buemi did

Lauda thinks RBR's rivals need a perfect car to beat Vettel

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7399943/Lauda-Seb-s-rivals-need-perfect-car-

I think his reasoning could be used to form the opposite conclusion as well i.e. RBR already have a great car so, as Alonso said recently, the scope to improve it is less whereas Alonso said Ferrari have much more scope to improve their car.

I think Lauda's comments were true for last year - given that RBR had a vastly superior car i.e. RBR's rivals had to have a perfect car, a perfect weekend etc to be in with a chance of snatching a win if RBR and/or Vettel made the tiniest mistake.

In 2012, the domination of the RBR is a possibility but is not a certainty ... so that vital assumption cannot be made until we see early evidence for it in the winter testing period.

Interesting update on Mercedes engines for 2014 and beyond

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/12/mercedes-on-target-with-2014-engines/

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Dec 29, 2011 11:55:52 AM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 20828, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: easy_rider911

Re: 2012 Pre-Season

easy_rider911:
Lauda thinks RBR's rivals need a perfect car to beat Vettel

Another pearl of wisdom from Lauda, as they say in the US "no $hit Sherlock" you need a perfect car to defeat another perfect car Smiley indecision

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Dec 29, 2011 12:09:55 PM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

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Exactly - I thought it was a pretty obvious observation too :)

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Dec 29, 2011 12:37:42 PM

REALZEUS: Expert; Loc: UK and Greece , United Kingdom; Posts: 1611, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 24, 2008; Reply to: easy_rider911

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Let me expand on Lauda's thoughts. You also need a reliable car, a good pit crew, wise strategy and good drivers to win the championships. smiley

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Dec 29, 2011 12:40:06 PM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: REALZEUS

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Yup, truly earth-shattering wisdom from Lauda.

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Dec 29, 2011 12:58:57 PM

BjoernB: Rennteam Master; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 4090, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 19, 2004; Reply to: easy_rider911

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Lauda is lightyears better than 99% incl. Coulthard - he is just sourrouned by these RTL-dummies - but I personally like Eddie Jordan very much - met him in Silverstone and he is honestly very funny but at the same very knowledgable !

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