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    Re: Ferrari's new car

    RC:
    pmarkow:
    RC:
    pmarkow:
    RC:

    The 488 doesn't attract me a bit, I don't know why. yes

     

    unfortunately, same with me (after some exposure to it) and i do not know why either. weird...

    The GTC4 Lusso would make a lot of sense for you (Austria, snow...) and the rear seats could be used as an additional luggage room. Smiley

    i better don't don't show the GTC4 lusso to my wife:::)))

    Smiley This is really an interesting car but I guess you are leaning towards the F12 tdf?

    correct, i dislike 4-seaters and shooting brakes even more so...


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    Everyone who will be offered a Tdf at MSRP will take it... Not even sure committing to a GTC4 will help you get a Tdf angry


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    SciFrog:

    Everyone who will be offered a Tdf at MSRP will take it... Not even sure committing to a GTC4 will help you get a Tdf angry

     

    Well except me Smiley


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    That's right, LOL


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    Out in the wild... Can't make up my mind on the design.


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    Nice interior, but unless money is no object, I can't see why you'd buy one of these when a used FF is probably $200K less.


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    Almost new ones Are going for less than 150k 


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    koko:

    Almost new ones Are going for less than 150k 

    Depends which market we are talking about. Certainly much higher than that in the UK, but still well below list.


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    Lukas:

     

    From this angle the Lusso just looked awkward. my wife commented that why did Ferrari ugly-fied the FF?


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    The rear end by itself looks more harmonious to me in terms of proportions. However, it appears as if the front end, the segment between A- and B-pillar and the rear end resemble three different cars in one. The rear end appears less bulky than before but looks far too massive for the somewhat delicate middle section as well as low and wide front end.

    Interesting enough that Ferrari, after generations of conservatively styled tail lights, chooses such a modern and flashy approach on the new models, yet the headlights retain the same styling theme as seen on the previous models.


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    crayphile:
    koko:

    Almost new ones Are going for less than 150k 

    Depends which market we are talking about. Certainly much higher than that in the UK, but still well below list.

    Everything is more expensive in the UK ; )


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    koko:
    Everything is more expensive in the UK ; )

    Tell me about it Smiley


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    Whoopsy:
    Lukas:

     

    From this angle the Lusso just looked awkward. my wife commented that why did Ferrari ugly-fied the FF?

    I agree  - I'm struggling with the rear. Like you I will be able to form a better opinion after seeing it at Geneva. I do like the gills at the front which help break up the side view of the car.


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    I think you should skip it and wait for the special edition model.


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    It's a nice car, all except the double round tail lights, why not continue single?? Makes no sense. 


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    Atzporsche:

    It's a nice car, all except the double round tail lights, why not continue single?? Makes no sense. 

    To Distinguish it from the older one so they can attract new buyers. They could careless how it looks like as long as it selling.


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    Surely it looks better in real. This pic looks very flat, plus the very dull color is not helping...


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    crayphile:
    koko:
    Everything is more expensive in the UK ; )

    Tell me about it Smiley

    What are you complaining about. Try Australia! Smiley 

    (some Malaysian or Singaporean are going to come on and ask me to shut up next Smiley)


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    SciFrog:

    Surely it looks better in real. This pic looks very flat, plus the very dull color is not helping...

    I think it's the colour too. As much as I love the FF, this to me is still very nice. A parent at my kids' school picks his 3 kids up in the FF frequently, and he loves it. I wonder what he thinks of it. 


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    koko:
    Atzporsche:

    It's a nice car, all except the double round tail lights, why not continue single?? Makes no sense. 

    To Distinguish it from the older one so they can attract new buyers. They could careless how it looks like as long as it selling.

    I guess that's sad but true. 


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    There is historical precedent for four tail lights but I don't like that they are smoked.



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    vantagesc:

    There is historical precedent for four tail lights but I don't like that they are smoked.

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    crayphile:
    koko:

    Almost new ones Are going for less than 150k 

    Depends which market we are talking about. Certainly much higher than that in the UK, but still well below list.

    I had no idea.

    Come to think about it, why would someone want to buy a 991.2 for 150-170K ?


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    The same people who buy a Cayenne turbo for 140k and a Panamera turbo for $160k? (won't even mention the turbo S versions)...

    My first Cayenne turbo was under 100k. Now it would be close to 150k. Meanwhile my Q7 was 65k and now would be 72k... The Aston Roadster is barely higher... Porsche is gouging their customers. And used Porsche car prices are barely higher...


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    SciFrog:

    The same people who buy a Cayenne turbo for 140k and a Panamera turbo for $160k? (won't even mention the turbo S versions)...

    My first Cayenne turbo was under 100k. Now it would be close to 150k. Meanwhile my Q7 was 65k and now would be 72k... The Aston Roadster is barely higher... Porsche is gouging their customers. And used Porsche car prices are barely higher...

    Smiley My first Cayenne Turbo (955), basically one of the first cars available in Germany, was 98 or 99k EUR. With options. My first Cayenne Turbo S (955) was 134k EUR with all the goodies (no PCCB at that time). Prices have gone through the roof lately and I agree, 150-170k EUR for a Carrera S is just insane. One reason why I plan to buy my 991 GTS and one reason I may not get another 911 in the future, at least not a new one. 

    My Porsche dealer has a nicely optioned (but not "overdone") new 991.2 Turbo S in stock. Price tag? 223k EUR. Not even the convertible. Smiley In Germany, the 488 GTB is 205k EUR. The Huracan (610 hp version) is 202k EUR. So the 991.2 Turbo S,t he 488 GTB and the Huracan cost basically the same over here and no, there is no waiting list. 


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    Showed this to my wife; she says "very nice, just take out 2 seats and 2 metres and it would be perfect".  Reason: she drove this for 8 years....

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