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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    Very good summary and I see where you are coming from, THANKS ! Smiley

    However, I assume you will have a hell of a ride in Hockenheim next week - a GT3 is sooo much suited for this track, envy. Smiley


    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    d997h:
    Gnil:

    Great to see you back in form . Lovely photos , specially the one form our alpine roads ! 

    In a scale of 1 to 10 being the best  , how would you rate the T and the Touring in the '' driving pleasure '' department  and in the '' practicality on public roads '' ?


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 

     

    How could you ask such a stupid question ???? Smiley ...he may rate the T so high that I am struggeling even further to make a deal! Smiley (still on the look for a T, however, GTS prices are starting to get lower...tempting...)

    You'll end up with a Touring Smiley


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 


    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    blueflame:
    Gnil:

    If I have to rate my last 3 cars for driving pleasure on practicality on public ALPINE roads, this would be my ranking:

    1. 981 Spyder (+open car is great on alpine Roads, -needs a little more power, too long gearing) 8.5 Points

    2. 991.2 Carrera T (+right size auf car, Michelin4s, fuel consumption, torque, -needs better engine sound and more revs)8 Points

    3. 991.2 GT3 Touring (+Power, engine/9.000rpm, racecar-feeling,  -wide car, fuel consumption, ground clearance, Cups in the rain)7.9 Points

    The GT3 is my dream car and it was no mistake to buy it - next week at Hockenheim it will outperfom dramatically both of the former cars.

    But for my alpine tours, the other cars are more suited - the GT3 is a little bit overkill. I wrote it last year after our Spain/France tour - you can  keep up with a GT3RS in a Carrera T on small curvy roads and you have almost the same driving pleasure for 70K€ less.

    So a GT3 and a Carrera T is nonsense for me, therefore I will add to my garage again a used 981 Spyder for open top fun.

    Blueflame

    Interesting .. Now put some 4S on the Touring and you'll be at 8.3  Smiley   I get the overkill , sadly . Not many possibilities on open roads to exploit the 9K rev line ......


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm -- 991.2 GT3 RS 


    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    Gnil:
    blueflame:
    Gnil:

    If I have to rate my last 3 cars for driving pleasure on practicality on public ALPINE roads, this would be my ranking:

    1. 981 Spyder (+open car is great on alpine Roads, -needs a little more power, too long gearing) 8.5 Points

    2. 991.2 Carrera T (+right size auf car, Michelin4s, fuel consumption, torque, -needs better engine sound and more revs)8 Points

    3. 991.2 GT3 Touring (+Power, engine/9.000rpm, racecar-feeling,  -wide car, fuel consumption, ground clearance, Cups in the rain)7.9 Points

    The GT3 is my dream car and it was no mistake to buy it - next week at Hockenheim it will outperfom dramatically both of the former cars.

    But for my alpine tours, the other cars are more suited - the GT3 is a little bit overkill. I wrote it last year after our Spain/France tour - you can  keep up with a GT3RS in a Carrera T on small curvy roads and you have almost the same driving pleasure for 70K€ less.

    So a GT3 and a Carrera T is nonsense for me, therefore I will add to my garage again a used 981 Spyder for open top fun.

    Blueflame

    Interesting .. Now put some 4S on the Touring and you'll be at 8.3  Smiley   I get the overkill , sadly . Not many possibilities on open roads to exploit the 9K rev line ......

    How about the new 718 Sypder with 4.0 flat-six engine?  1554541446878image.gif


    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    The 718 Spyder has more Power and I don‘t understand Porsche to bring It with cup tyres.

    It will be a 110K€ car....used 981 Spyders soon will be in the 70K€-range.

    The better option for me.

    Blueflame

    PS some pics from today at the Noris-Ring

     

     


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    Last thursday we have been at the Hockenheim-Ring with the Pistenclub.

    Perfect organised day, but we had only one dry stint, the rest was very wet.

    My Touring and my neck made no problems...the car is just great on the track. I saw 256 Km/h on the Parabolica before the braking zone and it is rock solid, even without  wing...;-).

    It was no surprise that the Cup2s performance in heavy rain didn‘t impress.

    Sadly the day ended bad for one member of our group - he lost his car in the rain under braking for the hairpin and smashed in the tyre barriers with the driver side. The emergency brought him to he hospital at Heidelberg - 3 broken ribs and a damaged ego...

    Tomorrow he can leave the hospital, so everything will be alright - the Porsche can be replaced...

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    Here some pics from the construction site of the new Porsche Experience Center.

    Blueflame

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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    That looks like a lot of fun. Thanks for sharing ! 


    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    Looks brilliant.

    Why was the GT2 RS on red calipers? Something to do with the Porsche Sports Cup? I recall in Imola they did the same to be able to run steels but not to have to use an aftermarket disc to fit the yellow calipers, something along those lines?


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    1969 Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3  / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (sold) / 2011 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Performance / 2014 BMW-Alpina D3 biturbo Touring / 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 Clubsport


    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    Porker:

    Looks brilliant.

    Why was the GT2 RS on red calipers? Something to do with the Porsche Sports Cup? I recall in Imola they did the same to be able to run steels but not to have to use an aftermarket disc to fit the yellow calipers, something along those lines?

     

    That's a GT3RS, the side intake is plastic not carbon.


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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    Whoopsy:
    Porker:

    Looks brilliant.

    Why was the GT2 RS on red calipers? Something to do with the Porsche Sports Cup? I recall in Imola they did the same to be able to run steels but not to have to use an aftermarket disc to fit the yellow calipers, something along those lines?

     

    That's a GT3RS, the side intake is plastic not carbon.

    Smiley

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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    Whoopsy:
    Porker:

    Looks brilliant.

    Why was the GT2 RS on red calipers? Something to do with the Porsche Sports Cup? I recall in Imola they did the same to be able to run steels but not to have to use an aftermarket disc to fit the yellow calipers, something along those lines?

     

    That's a GT3RS, the side intake is plastic not carbon.

    My bad!


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    1969 Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3  / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (sold) / 2011 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Performance / 2014 BMW-Alpina D3 biturbo Touring / 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 Clubsport


    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    Touring & Sport Classic at our sunday cars&coffee meeting.

    Blueflame

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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    SC would have been such a cool car if it had been a GT3 RS underneath instead of a GTS.


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    1969 Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3  / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (sold) / 2011 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Performance / 2014 BMW-Alpina D3 biturbo Touring / 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 Clubsport


    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    Porker:

    SC would have been such a cool car if it had been a GT3 RS underneath instead of a GTS.

    Smiley Same with the 997 Speedster - pointless cars, just for collectors and not for drivers...

    Blueflame


    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    That ducktail though looks very nice....... Wish there was a one for the touring. 


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    Touring next to R.

    Blueflame

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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    The .2 looks soo much better


    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    Some who follow this thread will remember my beloved 964 RS - I just found out that it is on the market again...for a silly price...;-)

    Blueflame

    https://www.11erecke.de/verkauf/porsche-verkauf/?option=com_weg11ersales&view=detail&id=1&carid=226495365

     


    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    That's just ridiculous, who pays these prices... I'd love a 964 RS but would never pay more than 70-80k EUR for something like that?


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    1969 Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3  / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (sold) / 2011 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Performance / 2014 BMW-Alpina D3 biturbo Touring / 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 Clubsport


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    Here in Portugal, there was a 964RS for sale for 250k€....already sold angry


    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    Porker:

    That's just ridiculous, who pays these prices... I'd love a 964 RS but would never pay more than 70-80k EUR for something like that?

    Found one many years ago for 70k EUR, thought the price is nuts (I would have paid 60k) and look now... Smiley Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Lamborghini Huracan Performante (2019), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)


    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    Last track day of 2019 - Hockenheim with Pistenclub. This time 6 stints without any rain. kiss A lot of Race cars in their own group. And one pic of the Porsche Experience Center, which opens in october.

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    Todays trip to Ludwigsburg - visit at Porsche Digital and their Project „Second Skin“. I think about a new color for 2020. And after that a quick pic in Front of the gates of Weissach - tons of Taycans prototyps on the road.

    Blueflame

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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    Porker:

    That's just ridiculous, who pays these prices... I'd love a 964 RS but would never pay more than 70-80k EUR for something like that?

    That is simply for a collector who has to have originality.  If you want to have fun, you can build an RS or RSR replica from a C2 and have a car that drives far better (hot-rod parts and nice custom-built engine).  Having a 3.6L motor with 260hp (original 964RS) is hardly cutting edge technology.  The street version of RSR from 1973 already had 308hp from 2.8L...


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    hunterone:

    The .2 looks soo much better

    Agreed - but R drives better - see my comments on the R thread Smiley.


    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    Today I had my car on the dyno and the result was almost exactly the claimed power - 497 HP/500HP. The exhaust tips were glowing...smiley

    The Performante of my friend had 60 HP less than the factory claimed power.

    Blueflame

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    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    Brilliant!


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    1969 Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3  / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (sold) / 2011 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Performance / 2014 BMW-Alpina D3 biturbo Touring / 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 Clubsport


    Re: 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour

    blueflame:

    Today I had my car on the dyno and the result was almost exactly the claimed power - 497 HP/500HP. The exhaust tips were glowing...smiley

    The Performante of my friend had 60 HP less than the factory claimed power.

    Blueflame

    Uh oh, incoming RC in 3, 2, 1... Smiley


     
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