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    The SP38 looks like it has a Dodge Challenger trying to exit from it's engine bay smiley

     


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    the-missile:

    impressive numbers for the entry model of the v8 sportscar range. kiss

    Smiley

    Mclaren is pushing them all out of their comfort zone. Porsche looks like they are still not taking it seriously though...angry

    McLaren has pushed the other manufacturers in the weight but especially in the engine power department.

    No, neither Porsche nor Lamborghini are taking McLaren seriously and they already paid for that by loosing customers to McLaren (and now very likely to Ferrari as well, if Ferrari makes a sufficient number of F8 Tributo). Porsche waits for the 992.2 Turbo S...I guess and Lamborghini wants to keep the Huracan V10 n/a alive until the next generation shows up in 2023(?). It wouldn't have been a huge challenge for Lamborghini to use a biturbo V10 or maybe even a supercharged V10 for the Huracan facelift (as a Performante owner in spe thank god they didn't) but I guess they don't want to spend money on new tech before the next generation comes, a next generation which will share a platform with other manufacturers (incl. Porsche) as well. Understandable. At least Lamborghini has the unique V10 n/a engine but Porsche? I think that the new 992.1 Turbo S may find itself in a pretty tough market but this could change with the 992.2 Turbo S if they do it right. Difficult to predict though because of the new emissions and sound emissions regulations.

    outside style is subject to discussion and probably took all the money development as the interior is a copy paste of the last 10y...indecision

    Like Rossi, I like the 458 Italia interior best...

    if you are a Pista owner and pi..ed about it...well you are missing the point as the pista is track focus special series as the performante is and as the GTs are...

     

    True but many owners are focused on numbers...

    I can imagine however that the Pista is going to be an issue for speculators who got this car to sell it to enthusiasts who have more money than br.... oops...car knowledge. That particular group of potential buyers may gun for the F8 Tributo now instead.


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    RC:
    I think that the new 992.1 Turbo S may find itself in a pretty tough market but this could change with the 992.2 Turbo S if they do it right. Difficult to predict though because of the new emissions and sound emissions regulations.

     

    I see your point. However, one could also argue the the turbo s is least challenged by any of these competitors as it is the only car that can serve as a daily driver and still delivers this kind of performance... Porsche might be more stable than thought Smiley


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    RC:

     

     

    True but many owners are focused on numbers...

    I can imagine however that the Pista is going to be an issue for speculators who got this car to sell it to enthusiasts who have more money than br.... oops...car knowledge. That particular group of potential buyers may gun for the F8 Tributo now instead.

    You can order a Pista today and don't have to wait till the orders are locked or even waste time with speculators to sell you their poorly specced cars.

    You either man up and place an order today or bite the bullet and live with what you'll end up going through third party sellers or second hand dealers pre-owned cars.

    The Pista is available, I've seen it up close and it's beautiful, anyone who wants to complain about the sound, nothing will change it's turbocharged and that's the way it is. Otherwise, your last hope is the V12 lineup.


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    Try to get a Pista at MSRP at regular Ferrari dealers in Germany...I doubt it is possible. 


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    ISUK:

    The SP38 looks like it has a Dodge Challenger trying to exit from it's engine bay smiley

     

    Smiley Smiley


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    Reminds me of the BMW i8 rear eating a 911... indecision


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    Rossi:

    Reminds me of the BMW i8 rear eating a 911... indecision

     

     

    LOL!


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    Rossi:

    Reminds me of the BMW i8 rear eating a 911... indecision

     

    Indeed Smiley

    You hear a lot about companies swallowing up rivals but to actually incorporate that philosophy into the design of a car takes it to a whole new level Smiley


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    RC:

    Try to get a Pista at MSRP at regular Ferrari dealers in Germany...I doubt it is possible. 

    Depends on the region and resale value. It's not like Ferrari is a cheap car to begin with Smiley

    But where would you want to spend that extra $$$ ? At a Ferrari dealer or a on speculators car that has no idea how to spec a car in the first place ? Smiley


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    Like I said, great in black  Smiley


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    Ferrari confirms five cars for 2019 

     

    Second mid-engine platform to join Ferrari ranks, but no one is talking about the ‘not an SUV’ SUV just yet

    Ferrari has confirmed that it will introduce a second mid-engine platform alongside the architecture that underpins the 488, paving the way for a more affordable model and a possible return of the iconic Dino nameplate.

    The Italian supercar maker divides its cars into two ranges, with front-engined cars like the 812 Superfast, Portofino and GTC 4Lusso forming the GT division, while the mid-engined Ferrari 488 family is firmly in the Sports camp.

    Ferrari’s senior vice president of commercial and marketing, Enrico Galliera confirmed that the storied carmaker will add five new models or variants to the roster for 2019.

    “Five will come in 2019, which is probably the biggest effort,” he told WhichCar. “It's the start of the new generation of product.

    “There's not a lot I can say because we prefer to announce the product when it's arriving, but the first one will be announced in Geneva, which is in two weeks time so is very close.”

    The Geneva debut is expected to be a McLaren 720-rivalling V8-powered mid-engined monster, sporting both turbocharging and hybrid technology for a set of Hollywood numbers; power is expected to top 600kW and torque up to 1000Nm. It could also roll on a new architecture, with Galliera confirming that “in the future we have two mid-rear engine products.”

    Galliera said that all five of the 2019 launches will be “different concepts”, and not merely made-over versions of current cars.

    “Some of them are replacing existing product, some of them are not so,” he said. “Already in 2019 you will see some products that are existing in the product range, and another thing that I can say is that we will nurture both the GT segment, and the sports segment.”

    This means that Ferrari, despite increased pressures on emission targets, looks set to keep the iconic V12 engine.

    “The V12 is part of the heritage of the company,” he declared. “It will remain one of the potential elements that we can use in our model of the future together with the V8 and future with the V6.

    “So the technology we are going to have V12, V8, V6 turbo. Hybrid will give us the possibility to have a platform that we can mix to achieve emissions targets.”

    He also underlined Ferrari’s position as a luxury brand, saying while the brand will work on bringing new customers into the fold, he doesn’t believe there’s a need to chase a lower price point.

    “We are developing some products that are designed to give the same emotion as a Ferrari,” he said. “So it is a sports car but with this design that it is more elegant that is more for everyday driving in order to attract those people that maybe are not considering to buy a Ferrari, because they are not willing to have a highly sporty car. So in a way, we are trying to have an offer that is capturing both opportunities.”

    He quickly added that he was not talking about the long-discussed crossover vehicle that Ferrari currently calls Project Purosangue.

    “This is something that we are working to,” he confirmed, “but is not going to come in the coming two-to-three years. It's something more long-term.”

    Details are scarce around the notion of a Ferrari SUV or crossover, but educated guessing can forecast a front-engined four-door, using a combination of regular rear-wheel-drive and electric front-drive.

    While the lengthy platform under the GTC 4Lusso looks like a logical fit, we’d suggest that Ferrari will emphasise livability aspects like interior space and bumper clearance, rather than a high-riding, off-road capable SUV in the traditional sense.

    The first Ferrari launch of 2019 happens at the Geneva Motor Show in early March.

     


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    Did I get it ritght..a v6 is needed for emissions only???


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    I bet 720 will still beat the Tributo in all acceleration tests, Ferrari is notorious for being very”optimistic “ in their power rating.


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    A Ferrari used to have some flair & class. Nowadays, it looks like it went through some unknown tuner shop down the street. There's nothing "italian" in that design.  I'm not surprised as even Aston Martin is struggling to keep its roots. Nevertheless, designers in general seems to have run out of ideas. I won't mention BMW as their designers should just be shot dead. They are killing the brand with their latest monstrosities (7 series , X7, G20 3 series...). Sad times.

     


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    absent:

    I bet 720 will still beat the Tributo in all acceleration tests, Ferrari is notorious for being very”optimistic “ in their power rating.

    Agreed, it will also beat it by some distance in the steepness of the depreciation curve Smiley.


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    A good improvement over the insipide 488 .   But is is becoming a very busy design ...... I guess it was the only way to give it a pit of spunk .


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    Waaaay too busy, screams "look at me" but in a very boorish kind of way. Not my scene, sorry 


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    this looks very good Smiley


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    BiTurbo:
    RC:

    Try to get a Pista at MSRP at regular Ferrari dealers in Germany...I doubt it is possible. 

    Depends on the region and resale value. It's not like Ferrari is a cheap car to begin with Smiley

    But where would you want to spend that extra $$$ ? At a Ferrari dealer or a on speculators car that has no idea how to spec a car in the first place ? Smiley

    I would always spend my money on a car I actually want to drive and enjoy. Smiley


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    reminds me of 330SP lines.


     
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