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    The consumer decides.

    Each time Porsche made a controversial deviation they have been rewarded by the buying public. The Cayenne is a huge success ten years later, the Panamera opened new customer bases, the Macan shows a great sales promise already, not to mention the watercooled 911, the PDK transmission etc etc.

    Similarly, if the 4C (flat 4 I hope) turbo engines are well received and sell successfully it will be case closed because those who vote with their money would have decided. OTOH if buyers run away from the Porsche 4C to buy Elise or TT or whatever else to such an extent that the company is forced to drop the idea, the original doubters will be vindicated.

    Everything is decided in the marketplace and nowadays buyers are too informed and too demanding.

    See how many automotive brands and models achieve 5 stars from magazines and journalistic videos and purists' assessments but fail to register sufficient sales because they don't meet the public's wishes and criteria.


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    Grant:
    Gnil:

    To me the 'best 911' of the moment is the GT3 . If tracked PDK is a must . If only as a DD or similar, then I would like a manual box.

    I feel the opposite (love to shift on the track) and PDK only sounds interesting to me if I can rest my left leg in very bad traffic (if I still lived in Los Angeles or moved to London, for example)

    On public roads with traffic I get bored.... PDK makes it even more boring , so , at least , I would like to have something fun to do, like changing gears myself  + performance is not an issue as you cannot use these car to the fullest anyway.

    On track, it is another story. I like to be the fastest possible and PDK helps to achieve that + I do not like to be taken over by ''lesser cars with PDK'' if I would be in a ''faster'' one but with manual  + there already plenty to do when you drive as fast as possible , so I do not miss manual on these moments.


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    I too, am happy with my 991 C4S and will purchase at the end of the lease. I am certainly not willing to pay $130K for  a C4S with the same 4cyl engine that will be in the  face lifted Boxster & Cayman.  


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    Reginos, you are absolutely right and Porsche are insulated because a very large proportion of their sports car buyers are interested in the badge and the sporting prowess of the product is largely irrelevant.  Furthermore, with each generation of car broadening the appeal beyond enhtusiasts, this insulation improves.  The cars also appeal more to the mainstream press, which give them glowing reviews when the specialist press interested in the driving characteristics are more critical.  Meaning the very detailed criticism does reach the majority of buyers.  The 996/997/981 evolution has shown this and BMW more so.

    The danger for Porsche is if they dilute the content  too far so that even mainstream buyers are unimpressed.  This leads on to the question whether removing the flat 6 risks that.   Smiley  Its not clear cut.


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    New business step - Porsche has decided to move its production and assembly of Cayenne in Slovakia. Those models will no longer have famous label "Made in Germany" angry


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    GR:

    The danger for Porsche is if they dilute the content  too far so that even mainstream buyers are unimpressed.  This leads on to the question whether removing the flat 6 risks that.   Smiley  Its not clear cut.

    I wouldn't want to see that happening, even for an entry level variant.

    For me the flat 6 is sacred like the shape and the engine position.

    They could feel free to do a 4 cylinder Cayenne or Panamera (there is 4 cylinder Mercedes CLS and ML)  if they wanted and reduce average emissions and consumption. But not to touch the sportscars.


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    Milanno:

    New business step - Porsche has decided to move its production and assembly of Cayenne in Slovakia. Those models will no longer have famous label "Made in Germany" angry

    I was looking to buy a KTM that looked great value, until I found it is made in India Smiley

    OTOH my VW Polo is made in South Africa and it is perfect.

    Slovakia? Why not? Slovaks can easily become conversant in German procedures and methods. The motto will become "Engineered in Germany"

     


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    reginos:
    The motto will become "Engineered in Germany"

    Exactly kiss Apple did same thing few years back indecision


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    GR:

    Reginos, you are absolutely right and Porsche are insulated because a very large proportion of their sports car buyers are interested in the badge and the sporting prowess of the product is largely irrelevant.  Furthermore, with each generation of car broadening the appeal beyond enhtusiasts, this insulation improves.  The cars also appeal more to the mainstream press, which give them glowing reviews when the specialist press interested in the driving characteristics are more critical.  Meaning the very detailed criticism does reach the majority of buyers.  The 996/997/981 evolution has shown this and BMW more so.

    The danger for Porsche is if they dilute the content  too far so that even mainstream buyers are unimpressed.  This leads on to the question whether removing the flat 6 risks that.   Smiley  Its not clear cut.

    I agree with this analysis. Then again I think about my father who purchased his first 911T in 1973 when I was 16. He was always a car enthusiast, and owned many different cars over the years. The 911T was his personal car for daily driving. He valued the motorsport connection for its pedigree and the quality of the engineering it represented.  There was nothing track oriented about him. The car was beige grey w/ a bamboo houndstooth, steel wheels, S instruments, no a/c. Very plain and simple. No one else drove that 911. I learned to see my father in a new light with that 911 because w/o a center console I could watch his footwork while shifting. Everything about him and that 911 was masculine but in a low key, elemental, even spartan, focused, yet still accessible for the purpose of driving to and from where you needed to go.  I always thought that was the spirit of the 911 which I assume we all aspire to in our ownership.  I believe Porsche has tried to maintain the philosophy as much as possible in a world that has changed radically since 1973.


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    reginos:

    For me the flat 6 is sacred like the shape and the engine position.

    I couldn't agree more and I suspect most of Rennteam agrees.  But the vast majority of buyers who just want a 911 becasue its a Porsche 911 and they fancy a sports car that isn't too demanding?  If the reviews they read are positive (and the magazines like What Car, Auto Express are likely to be positive) will they know or care that enthusiasts think its rubbish?   


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    Carlos from Spain:
    RC:

    I just hope that Porsche doesn't introduce the GTS before the facelift but with it. Time will tell.

    Not a fan of the engines they are going to use for the Carrera facelift but I hope Porsche knows what they're doing. angry

    Smiley If they have the audacity to fit a 4 cilinder turbo on a 150€ sportscar then thats game over for me, they can shove their Carreras up were the sun don't shine... but I find it very very hard to believe that rumor, it would be the FAIL of the century

    +1 Smiley

    Luckily there are plenty of used ones around. 50 years worth of them Smiley


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    if at all they would consider to put a 4 cilinder turbo in the 911, they should at least have the decency to stay true to their history and call it 912. I think a model like that just above the Cayman would actually make sense and won't hurt the iconic 911. 


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    Gnil:  I do not like to be taken over by ''lesser cars with PDK'' if I would be in a ''faster'' one but with manual  + there already plenty to do when you drive as fast as possible , so I do not miss manual on these moments.

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    That has never happened to me, so I can't share the sentimentSmiley  But I have passed DCT cars like Aventador with my little Japanese Evo and its 5spd manual.Smiley


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    Grant:
    Gnil:  I do not like to be taken over by ''lesser cars with PDK'' if I would be in a ''faster'' one but with manual  + there already plenty to do when you drive as fast as possible , so I do not miss manual on these moments.

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    That has never happened to me, so I can't share the sentimentSmiley  But I have passed DCT cars like Aventador with my little Japanese Evo and its 5spd manual.Smiley

    It has not happened to me also , but I have taken over 996 GT3 with my Carrera S PDK  and talked to the drivers afterward  , that's why I do not want the opposite to happen Smiley

    And given both same cars with equal drivers, the car with PDK will be faster then the manual ...... so, on track, PDK is a must Smiley


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    Porsche 991 GT2 RS prototype testing vs Porsche 918 Spyder on the Nurburgring...

    Porsche 918 Spyder vs Porsche 991 GT2 RS -- Video Link

    ...looks like they are testing the 918 Spyder against the 991 GT2 RS prototype, which may also have a hybrid boost! Smiley

    Smiley SmileySmiley


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    Gnil:

    It has not happened to me also , but I have taken over 996 GT3 with my Carrera S PDK  and talked to the drivers afterward  , that's why I do not want the opposite to happen Smiley

     Fair enough Smiley


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    Maybe they're bringing back the 912? That was my first car I've ever bought. Regret selling it.


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    996AD:

    this might be 4cy turbo the same engine was planed for cayman?

    because the exhausts are in middle just  like the set up in the cayman

    The position of the exhaust tips has nothing to do with the engine configuration. You can basically choose how to do that. :)

    Maybe there is an engineering reason behind it (less resistance for the exhaust gases) or they just liked the look...

     

     


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    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    Porsche 991 GT2 RS prototype testing vs Porsche 918 Spyder on the Nurburgring...

     

     

    Porsche 918 Spyder vs Porsche 991 GT2 RS -- Video Link

    ...looks like they are testing the 918 Spyder against the 991 GT2 RS prototype, which may also have a hybrid boost! Smiley

    Smiley SmileySmiley

    Where did you find that this is supposed to be a GT2 RS prototype?

    I've seen this white turbo with the black hood at some Porsche events. Not a 100% sure but I think it is a "regular" 991 Turbo S.

    Of course they could have placed something in it, but I see no clue (as well as the thing with the hybrid theory, which I highly doubt ;))


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    I guess people think this is a GT2 RS prototype because the 918 follows it or doesn't pass it. There can be various reasons for that but the 991 Turbo S is not a slow car, especially with the right driver at the wheel. angry


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    918 is cruising in that video. I dont see any chasing after TTS smiley However TTS driver is pushing gas pedal pretty hard indecision


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    991with a 4 cilinder engine would be the car joke of the century Smiley


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    Milanno:

    918 is cruising in that video. I dont see any chasing after TTS smiley However TTS driver is pushing gas pedal pretty hard indecision


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    Not sure how you get to this conclusion because if you watch the video closely, you can actually see how the 918 slips with the rear twice. The driver was not cruising. I don't say that he was driving at full capability but the 991 Turbo S is a pretty quick car on the Nordschleife and we don't know what engine and/or power this car had. Also, the driver makes a huge difference too. If a pro sits in the 991 Turbo S and an average driver in the 918, I don't think the 918 can move away. Maybe this was some sort of 918 driving instructor in front of the 918 or whatever. You never know. The 918 was not cruising, this is for sure though.


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    RC:
    ...
    The driver was not cruising.
    ...
    The 918 was not cruising, this is for sure though.
     


    Smiley

     

     

     


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    There was some rumor around, about 991 Turbo 40th Anniversary Edition.... Can be real deal? Anyone can confirm? BTW, what's new about Turbo Targa? Porsche keep being silent like a grave....


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    SportCarGroup:

    There was some rumor around, about 991 Turbo 40th Anniversary Edition.... Can be real deal? Anyone can confirm? BTW, what's new about Turbo Targa? Porsche keep being silent like a grave....

    Never heard of that...oh well...maybe here in the forum. Smiley Anything is possible though when it comes to making some extra money. Smiley

    A Turbo Targa seems to be in the pipeline but I have no release date yet. Maybe Porsche wants to see first how the regular Targa is doing... 


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    Porsche testing a 911 at the Nürburgring with a really strange sound:  http://youtu.be/poAf3Uu56vs


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    Sounds like a Turbo muted 6 boxer to me...


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    Turbo four!  Does not help that it was posted on April 1st!


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    4hrs layover in LHR, might as we'll write something.

    When we arrived at Zuffenhausen, as luck would have it a couple 991GT3 are heading out for some testing. Sounded really good!

    At Weissach, we had a tour of some of rooms, didn't get to see the 919 section but we did traveled through the "GT3" area. Some are getting the new engines there to get prep for testing, but I also saw that car above, and can confirm they are indeed the RS. I stick my nosy head into the cars and see the GT3RS badges on the tech :) the center lock wheels also had RS written on it. But my guide insists those are GT3 only :)

    Also see a abnormal amount of Caymans on the ground, brand new off the production floor with shipping plastics all over the body wheel and interior, since the GTS has been released, I suspect those are flat 4s.

    It was just us speculating McLaren used best sector times to string together a 6:47, Weissach people says the same thing, unless they get their info for us here haha.

     

     


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