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    Best car on the road?

    RC, thank you for confirming my doubts about the 'nervous/soft' PASM suspension. This is a major concern for me that ensures I will not buy a 997 TT. I had a similar experience with PASM with my 997 C2S that I do not want to repeat.

    The standard 996 TT suspension is even worse than PASM (way too soft). However, I am very satisfied with the H&R suspension at the limit on a track and for everyday AB and back-road use. This set-up really works well and makes the car feel rock solid and handle predictably (and fairly neutral) at the limit of the (PS2) tyres.

    Since I cannot get a 997 GT3 before winter (and I have doubts about its power deficit)I may stay with my present car until the 997 GT2 appears in spring. None of the other 2006 cars F430 (too flashy), 996 GT2 Mark 2 (no PSM) inspires me to abandon my old X50 at this time.

    I am even considering upgrading my car with LSD, more power, BBS lightweight magnesium wheels, racing seats, 9ff exhaust (with volume control button) and keeping it for some time. The interior is perfect, all black with no PCM clutter or silver-painted plastic.

    I am well aware that RC and conventional wisdom would advise against putting more money into a 996 Turbo now that the new model is out. But when I look hard at the available alternatives, a properly tuned 996 TT may still be the best all-round car on the road.

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    AUM said:
    RC, thank you for confirming my doubts about the 'nervous/soft' PASM suspension. This is a major concern for me that ensures I will not buy a 997 TT. I had a similar experience with PASM with my 997 C2S that I do not want to repeat.

    The standard 996 TT suspension is even worse than PASM (way too soft). However, I am very satisfied with the H&R suspension at the limit on a track and for everyday AB and back-road use. This set-up really works well and makes the car feel rock solid and handle predictably (and fairly neutral) at the limit of the (PS2) tyres.

    Since I cannot get a 997 GT3 before winter (and I have doubts about its power deficit)I may stay with my present car until the 997 GT2 appears in spring. None of the other 2006 cars F430 (too flashy), 996 GT2 Mark 2 (no PSM) inspires me to abandon my old X50 at this time.

    I am even considering upgrading my car with LSD, more power, BBS lightweight magnesium wheels, racing seats, 9ff exhaust (with volume control button) and keeping it for some time. The interior is perfect, all black with no PCM clutter or silver-painted plastic.

    I am well aware that RC and conventional wisdom would advise against putting more money into a 996 Turbo now that the new model is out. But when I look hard at the available alternatives, a properly tuned 996 TT may still be the best all-round car on the road.



    What about taking the car to Ruf for a 590 upgrad or, perhaps, RS Tuning? The 996 Turbo platform is still very capable and it seems that VTG isn't as big an advantage as advertised. If you feel you want to keep your car, I don't see why not.

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    You need to assess exactly what purpose your car will serve. Do you track your car?

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    AUM said:
    RC, thank you for confirming my doubts about the 'nervous/soft' PASM suspension. This is a major concern for me that ensures I will not buy a 997 TT. I had a similar experience with PASM with my 997 C2S that I do not want to repeat.

    The standard 996 TT suspension is even worse than PASM (way too soft). However, I am very satisfied with the H&R suspension at the limit on a track and for everyday AB and back-road use. This set-up really works well and makes the car feel rock solid and handle predictably (and fairly neutral) at the limit of the (PS2) tyres.

    Since I cannot get a 997 GT3 before winter (and I have doubts about its power deficit)I may stay with my present car until the 997 GT2 appears in spring. None of the other 2006 cars F430 (too flashy), 996 GT2 Mark 2 (no PSM) inspires me to abandon my old X50 at this time.

    I am even considering upgrading my car with LSD, more power, BBS lightweight magnesium wheels, racing seats, 9ff exhaust (with volume control button) and keeping it for some time. The interior is perfect, all black with no PCM clutter or silver-painted plastic.

    I am well aware that RC and conventional wisdom would advise against putting more money into a 996 Turbo now that the new model is out. But when I look hard at the available alternatives, a properly tuned 996 TT may still be the best all-round car on the road.



    AUM,

    It seems it's a matter of how much money you are willing to put in to the car. I am still very much interested in a 997Turbo of some form (TCab, TSCoupe or TSCab, less likely GT2, ?GT1 ), but I will KEEP my 996TSCab-and possibly tune it up further, no matter what I do for a 997Turbo. If you want to RELIABLY crank up the power of the 996TT, of course, you need to do your homework and spend the required money to "get what you pay for," i.e., performance that lives up to what's advertised with quality work.

    Without debating how much peak power and torque can be had with minor mods., to make a leap in upgrading, I suspect that whomever you choose to tune yours, a minimum of $50,000 USD is needed to make a SIGNIFICANT power jump (whether from RUF, EVO, RS, 9ff, or any of the others). This would likely make sense only if you plan to hold on to the car for a long time.

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    'To make a leap in upgrading, I suspect that whomever you choose to tune yours, a minimum of $50,000 USD is needed to make a SIGNIFICANT power jump (whether from RUF, EVO, RS, 9ff, or any of the others). This would likely make sense only if you plan to hold on to the car for a long time.'

    'Do you track your car?'



    +++ Yes at the NBR every week.

    I do not plan on keeping the car for a long time, maybe till spring. I am fairly satisfied with the power as it is, and would probably focus on weight saving with 7.3 kg magnesium wheels (BBS / Manthey Racing) with Cup tyres, and with GT3 bucket seats (total weight loss about 40 kg); plus improved traction and stability with LSD.

    These simple improvements would probably improve NBR lap times by about 5-6 seconds (and make the car a lot more enjoyable), without requiring a major financial commitment.

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    AUM said:
    I do not plan on keeping the car for a long time, maybe till spring. I am fairly satisfied with the power as it is, and would probably focus on weight saving with 7.3 kg magnesium wheels (BBS / Manthey Racing) with Cup tyres, and with GT3 bucket seats (total weight loss about 40 kg); plus improved traction and stability with LSD.

    These simple improvements would probably improve NBR lap times by about 5-6 seconds (and make the car a lot more enjoyable), without requiring a major financial commitment.



    That makes sense.

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    AUM said:...and would probably focus on weight saving with 7.3 kg magnesium wheels (BBS / Manthey Racing) with Cup tyres, and with GT3 bucket seats (total weight loss about 40 kg); plus improved traction and stability with LSD.





    Have you considered a light weight flywheel?

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    'Have you considered a light weight flywheel?'

    +++ No I haven't.

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    AUM said:I may stay with my present car until the 997 GT2 appears in spring.

    appears in the spring?
    of what year?

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    Hopefully next year around April.

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    I think tuning wise the 996 Turbo is better than the 997 Trubo. If some one want to have arround 600hp. Since the VGT for sure is not very easy to handle.
    AUM where did you consider to buy your LSD from? 9ff?

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    Avoe said:
    I think tuning wise the 996 Turbo is better than the 997 Trubo. If some one want to have arround 600hp. Since the VGT for sure is not very easy to handle.
    AUM where did you consider to buy your LSD from? 9ff?



    No. Manthey.

    I am reconsidering putting more money into a heavy Turbo that is not really designed for track use. Maybe it is better to start with a GT2 Mark II and take the power up to 550 HP. These cars are track ready and quite comfortable for long distance travel. Snow might cause some problems, though...

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    Thebrake pads and rotors on my car were melted down when I saw them yesterday after the second brake job in ten weeks. I have sent the car to be sold today as there is no point in trying to make a heavy Turbo into a track car.

    Iam uncertain what my next car will be as none of the present models is exactly what I want, but a MY 04 GT2 may be the closest to my needs.

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    AUM said:
    Thebrake pads and rotors on my car were melted down when I saw them yesterday after the second brake job in ten weeks. I have sent the car to be sold today as there is no point in trying to make a heavy Turbo into a track car.

    Iam uncertain what my next car will be as none of the present models is exactly what I want, but a MY 04 GT2 may be the closest to my needs.



    It certainly would be the car for you. Send it to RS Tuning for 542 or 571 horsepower and it will probably be the car you want. It shouldn't even be that bad in the rain, seeing that it has the engine over the drive axle.

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    AUM, don't discount the '02-'03 GT2's as they are better priced.

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    ummmmm , im always thinking about this question , to be
    more specefic , im thinking to sell my car and get the 997 GT2 , but when i see my "S" badg near my turbo logo
    i forget this question ...

    man , keep your X50 and modify it ... its my new
    plan .. im going to have 750hp package .

    now on 630hp level by 9ff ... i realy realy love my
    car .. specialy after "9ff BLOW-OFF VALVES" its realy fun
    , i wish that my gear-box is 10-speeds to enjoy the (woshshshs) sound ... the power is enough for street cars , the interior is the best interior i've ever seen "nature brown / yellow stitching / full alluminum package / sport seats with alluminum back shells / every thing in yellow even the turbo logo on the shifting lever is in yellow also ) ...

    in my openion , stay with the X50 , the 996 looks more originally porsche , more organic , i love it so much... but not less than 630hp and 1.5 bar ..
    yes the 997 is better , but the 996 is not a car which sold
    easily when the new model is available ... porsche is different
    try to have a look on a 993 , when you see it you feel its
    a pure porsche ... now the 996 looks like that when the 997
    owners looks at it .

     
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