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Re: modified GT2
The 0-200 figure is a very good joke indeed.
Just 1 sec more than the Carrera GT? Anything below 12.5 secs is doubtful (I am aware that the old GT2 was tested in that range once, anyhow).
That would make 14.5 for standard TT,
13.5 for X50, and
12.5 for GT2 (new version).
Is not that a reasonable expectation?
Just 1 sec more than the Carrera GT? Anything below 12.5 secs is doubtful (I am aware that the old GT2 was tested in that range once, anyhow).
That would make 14.5 for standard TT,
13.5 for X50, and
12.5 for GT2 (new version).
Is not that a reasonable expectation?
Re: modified GT2
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MKSGR said:
The 0-200 figure is a very good joke indeed.
Just 1 sec more than the Carrera GT? Anything below 12.5 secs is doubtful (I am aware that the old GT2 was tested in that range once, anyhow).
That would make 14.5 for standard TT,
13.5 for X50, and
12.5 for GT2 (new version).
Is not that a reasonable expectation?
The Porsche engines deliver a lot of power lately, a lot more than in the specs. This is no joke. It seems that Porsche optimized production processes very much over the last 12-18 months and the engine parts are of high quality too, especially because Porsche doesn't put pressure on their suppliers like other manufacturers do (Mercedes would be a good example but VW and others too).
The standard TT does 0-200 kph in around 13.8 seconds lately. The X50 in around 12.6 seconds and the GT2 in around 11.5 seconds. The values are correct, as incredible they might sound. A little birdy told me lately that they measured a new MY 2004 GT2 engine(!) at over 500 HP. Unfortunately the little birdie didn't want to tell me how much over 500.
Re: modified GT2
I am having a hard time accepting the small difference between the 2004 GT2 and the Carrera GT in pure acceleration terms.
The Carrera GT seems to be the only Porsche model that doesn't perform substantially better than the claimed performance.
Extremely dissapointed!!!!
The Cayenne is already a huge dissapointment in some areas and I am on the verge of selling it.
For some, these numbers will be the defining factor when they consider if it's worth spending the extra cash on a Carrera GT compared to a GT2.
I can think of quite a few who will make up their their mind in favor of the GT2.
I am so pi...d of now.....Cayenne,GT2 and Carrera GT.
The Carrera GT seems to be the only Porsche model that doesn't perform substantially better than the claimed performance.
Extremely dissapointed!!!!
The Cayenne is already a huge dissapointment in some areas and I am on the verge of selling it.
For some, these numbers will be the defining factor when they consider if it's worth spending the extra cash on a Carrera GT compared to a GT2.
I can think of quite a few who will make up their their mind in favor of the GT2.
I am so pi...d of now.....Cayenne,GT2 and Carrera GT.
Re: modified GT2
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RC said:
The standard TT does 0-200 kph in around 13.8 seconds lately. The X50 in around 12.6 seconds and the GT2 in around 11.5 seconds. The values are correct, as incredible they might sound. A little birdy told me lately that they measured a new MY 2004 GT2 engine(!) at over 500 HP. Unfortunately the little birdie didn't want to tell me how much over 500.
Yeah, those little birdies always come out in spring time
Anyway, a 500+ hp GT2, doing the 0-100 in exactly the same time and the 0-200 only some tenths of a second short gets damn near to the Carrear GT...
Re: modified GT2
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CF said:
I am having a hard time accepting the small difference between the 2004 GT2 and the Carrera GT in pure acceleration terms.
The Carrera GT seems to be the only Porsche model that doesn't perform substantially better than the claimed performance.
That's what I'm saying man...
Re: modified GT2
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W8MM said:In Antwort auf:
MKSGR said:However, they seem to have failed to reach a similar efficiency with regards to the Carrera GT engine?
Saug-motors are much more difficult to "tune" for secret power than turbo-motors. Electronic boost control is a magic thing
And turbo-motors give saug-motors a really hard time...
Re: modified GT2
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CF said:
I am having a hard time accepting the small difference between the 2004 GT2 and the Carrera GT in pure acceleration terms.
The Carrera GT seems to be the only Porsche model that doesn't perform substantially better than the claimed performance.
Extremely dissapointed!!!!
The Cayenne is already a huge dissapointment in some areas and I am on the verge of selling it.
For some, these numbers will be the defining factor when they consider if it's worth spending the extra cash on a Carrera GT compared to a GT2.
I can think of quite a few who will make up their their mind in favor of the GT2.
I am so pissed of now.....Cayenne,GT2 and Carrera GT.
Christian, the difference might be little from 0-125 mph but in the range 240 to 300 kph, the Carrera GT easily drives away.
Look at the performance numbers of tuned 996 Turbo: most tuned Turbos are 2 seconds faster from 0-125 mph than the standard car but in real life, the tuned cars drive away easily and beat the standard 996 Turbo under any condition. You should even see a 996 Turbo and a 996 Turbo with X50 package and even if the difference on the paper is only 1-1.5 seconds or so, the real life difference is a different story.
Just relax, you're driving yourself mad before you even got the car. If you want extreme 0-125 mph performance, buy a Murcielago, tune it to 1000 HP and there you go.
0-300 kph in 20 seconds.... C'mon, you should know better, it is the whole package which counts and the 10 seconds from 0-125 mph don't tell the whole story.
I also understand that you're disappointed with you Cayenne Turbo but I have a guess: maybe this is the wrong car for you?
Without two kids, I'd drive a GT3 by now. Maybe you should buy the new GT2 to keep you busy until you get your Carrera GT. But when winter comes or when it rains, you'll be sorry you sold your Cayenne Turbo.Oh boy, do WE have problems...right?
Re: modified GT2
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C'mon, you should know better, it is the whole package which counts and the 10 seconds from 0-125 mph don't tell the whole story.
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I am having a hard time accepting the small difference between the 2004 GT2 and the Carrera GT in pure acceleration terms.
Indeed it is the whole package that counts, BUT in the end I do want some straight line performance as well.
At least that what Porsche has promised and preferably better than promised as with the other models.
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Indeed it is the whole package that counts, BUT in the end I do want some straight line performance as well.
So, straight line acceleration IS a "slight" consideration when buyng a supercar?
Honestly, the GT2 numbers look insane. RC the CGT may run away at above 200km/hr but a supercar is not exactly an autobahn missile, its about the overall package. And for 3X the amount of the GT2 don't you think there should be a vast difference in 0-200 time? I can understand why CF would be p'ed off, but then again the feel of the CGT should sway him back
Here's a consideration, what about the upcoming more powerful Zonda? Surely it can match the CGt to 200kph with 555bhp, but with 600? even 700bhp?
I was going to bring up the SL65 vs. SLR, but the GT2 is just so much closer to the CGT, its pointless...and the GT2 can also "handle"
Re: modified GT2
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CF said:
Indeed it is the whole package that counts, BUT in the end I do want some straight line performance as well.
At least that what Porsche has promised and preferably better than promised as with the other models.
OK, let me put it in a different way: how many cars do you know out there which do 0-125 mph in 10 seconds?
When you're on the Autobahn, the 0-200 kph performance is not very interesting. More interesting is the 160 to 330 kph performance.
A little story: I "encountered" a VW Golf a few days after I got my Cayenne Turbo. It looked like an ordinary VW Golf, nothing special, maybe slightly wider tires but nothing else.
From 100 kph to 180 kph, I was able to follow but I couldn't pass him. From 180 to 220 kph, he started to drive away, the distance got bigger. And from 220 kph on, I had no chance up to a speed of 260 kph on the speedo when the Golf was already half a km ahead of me and still with a growing speed.
It was the "famous" 500 HP VW Golf which has been built by a local Tuner in my town and is pretty well known in Germany (I think he built 3 cars). Some car magazines published test reports about this car.
My point is: 0-125 mph performance may be interesting for drag races and it may be interesting to show performance differences between cars but what counts more for the Autobahn is 100 mph to 200 mph performance.
And I assure you that there aren't many cars on this planet to be able to follow you in the Carrera GT. 
Of course if you take a modified rice burner with over 1000 HP, NOS and I don't know what, you might loose.
The question is: can the rice burner do that for consecutive 2-3 minutes? I doubt it. Relax, Christian: you bought yourself a fine supersportscar, don't make yourself crazy by thinking too much.
And if you want more, add the 900 HP kit which is rumored to be available from a german Tuner. But you really don't want it...
Re: modified GT2
I know that aceleration numbers are not that important.
My concern is this: Why Porsche has misleading information in their Carrera GT sales brouchure.
There simply is no excuse when a car is unable to perform in a way that has been promised by the manufacturer, this might be acceptable to some but not to me.
For some manufacturers this is standard behaviour.
Porsche is usually very conservative in stated performance.
I find it extremely disconcerting that the Carrera GT not once has performed according to the stated performance, with one exception of course: 0-100: 3.8 sec (factory claim 3.9 sec)
My concern is this: Why Porsche has misleading information in their Carrera GT sales brouchure.
There simply is no excuse when a car is unable to perform in a way that has been promised by the manufacturer, this might be acceptable to some but not to me.
For some manufacturers this is standard behaviour.
Porsche is usually very conservative in stated performance.
I find it extremely disconcerting that the Carrera GT not once has performed according to the stated performance, with one exception of course: 0-100: 3.8 sec (factory claim 3.9 sec)
Re: modified GT2
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CF said:
My concern is this: Why Porsche has misleading information in their Carrera GT sales brouchure
Journalists can't drive?...
I know only of one 0-125 mph acceleration test in AMS/SPORT AUTO. Maybe we should wait until more cars are available for real life testing.
Of course you're right about specs but do you remember the first GT3s? Well, some cars delivered around 345 HP instead of the 360.
It can happen but of course it shouldn't happen. But I'm really confident that this isn't an issue with the Carrera GT. BTW: did you see any real life test figures of the SLR and/or Enzo?
Re: modified GT2
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CF said:
The SLR has not been tested yet but will very soon.
Regarding the ENZO, I better leave that one without a comment.
I'm sure the SLR will perform very well, I don't think Mercedes wants it to perform below the SL55 Nardo figures.
Of course customers can never be sure they really get that power.
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Re: modified GT2
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///AMG Mercedes said:
FEAR NOT...
Autocar this tuesday will have 0-100mph-0 featuring Enzo, CGT,SLR CL65 and others....so keep fingers corssed....
Bilal, are they comparing them at the track also? I keep waiting for a track comparo between the current supercars, especially Enzo vs CGT, but I'm afraid we will never see it
Re: modified GT2
Those are awesome numbers for a GT2. Turbo power just provides such immense torque (which is what the CGT lacks by comparison).
I really want to upgrade my '01 GT2 with more power, but I wish to keep the warranty intact, so does anyone know if the 2004 ECU can be swapped in.............?
As for Autocar 0-100-0 test, there was also a Ruf RTurbo and a Ruf CTR1 there. The CTR1 is a special CTR1 with more boost than usual and lighter. It was said to give astonishing numbers (rumours are of 0-100mph in the low 6s). It was so fast they actually ran a 0-200mph-0 from a standing start test (and it was only a 2mile runway)...........mag will be available on Monday
Guy
Re: modified GT2
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MKSGR said:
Just read the sport auto test.
The 0-200 figure is 11.8 not 11.2. That changes the perspective somehow.
Hockenheim is 1.11.6.
Thanks MKSGR, I read the sportauto in the morning very quickly, couldn't remember it correctly. Anyway, 11.8 doesn't bring that much of a change for me
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