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    Finally - Nordschleife here I am again

    Can't say how desperately I've been waiting for the big moment Smiley
    Finally the weather (still not the best conditions, but.....Smiley ) allowed to go for the virgin lap in the GT3 SmileySmileySmiley
    What a thrill Smiley
    Will post driving impressions tomorrow - need some sleep now and I guess I know what I'll dream about Smiley
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    Re: Finally - Nordschleife here I am again

    P-J: WOW - can't wait to read your report and see some more pics Smiley Smiley
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    Re: Finally - Nordschleife here I am again

    Achim....Smiley

    i'm too far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Smiley

    i whant a Ring near home!!!!!!!!!!!!!Smiley

    Enjoy it with your car also for me!Smiley

     

    ciaoo

     


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    Achim, you must be thrilled !!!

    Great pics ( but I don' t realay agree with your line Smiley ) and  you finaly have deceided to show your face to all rennteamers ! GT3 gave you some bal..s !!!!! Smiley

    Looking forward to your impressions compared to the Boxster


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    Wow Achim, finally!

    Hope it was how you hoped it would be, as mentioned by others, I'm really looking forward to reading your impressions, especially in comparison with the boxster.

    -Joost-


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    Re: Finally - Nordschleife here I am again

    I can understand your feelings! Looks like Mrs. PJ shares your excitement, too! Smiley


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    O.K. – here is my report about the virgin laps with the GT3 in the Green Hell. 

    As you can imagine I was very excited when the big moment finally came.

    Trip to the ‘Ring

    Checked the ‘Ring webcam Sunday morning: cloudy, but dry – still quite low temps around 5°C. And the best: almost no traffic.

    Packed the ‘Ring survival kit (helmet, gloves, “Ballerinas”) and off we (Mrs & Mr. PJ) went to the Eifel.

    After 70 minutes we arrived at the half empty parking lot (rare sight) at the gateway to driver’s heaven. Once again I have been impressed by the fuel efficiency of the GT3. The trip from my place to the Green Hell is a mix of restricted Autobahn (1/3), derestricted Autobahn (1/3) and country roads (1/3). On the derestricted stretch of Autobahn I was mostly at cruising speed (200-220 km/h), only occasionally pushing it up to 290 km/h. Average fuel consumption was slightly above 13 L/100 km.

    But who cares about fuel efficiency if your thoughts are already at Hatzenbach, Flugplatz, Schwedenkreuz, Fuchsröhre….Smiley

    On the track - almost Despite the few traffic on the track there was a long queue at the ticket office – it took me 40 minutes (average speed: 10 m/hr) to get my annual ticket (# 112).

    They have installed new boom gates, but there is no improvement from a user’s POV. I can’t get it why they don’t install some proximity readers (similar to the French péage barriers) not requiring the pilots strapped into their six-point harnesses to perform some artistic tricks while trying to hold the transponder against the reader. The height of the reader is suitable for SUVs, not for sportcars. Smiley
    Also you have to take extra-care of your rims, as you have to get very close to the ridiculous kerbstones in order to reach the reader.

    O.K. –  enough of the rant, take a deep breath and focus on the upcoming 20.8 km.

    The beast in the Green Hell No practice since 28 December, new car, cold Pirellis – take it easy and enjoy a slow information lap. The weather gods decided to support this idea – just after the first couple of hundred meters the wet stuff was falling from the sky at Hohenrain chicane.Smiley
    Fortunately it was only very light rain and the track dried off later in the afternoon.

    Needless to say that I didn’t dare to switch off the TC (though I used the more tolerant set-up in sports mode). The yellow light flashed up only once (ironically not in a corner, but in the fast straight uphill section at Quiddelbacher Höhe).

    How’s the driving experience compared to the 987 S ?

    As I clocked only 1,000 km on public roads so far I was very curious what would happen during a more spirited drive (yet light years apart from the car’s limits): would the beast bite or behave like a pussycat Smiley
    Well, I can give only half of an answer, as I didn’t try to really push during my virgin laps with the GT3 (would have been very silly, especially when considering the low temps and a partial damp track).

    At BoxsterS speed (which is in my case approximately 95% of the Sportauto laptime) it’s a walk in the park with the GT3 – never would have expected how well tempered the GT3 is (may be totally different at the limit – I’ll find out later Smiley
    …). Of course we’re talking 85% of the cars capabilities only (read: slow), but still….

    It was funny to observe those race-prepped Ring-tools going the same speed while I was (relatively speaking) just cruising around. These guys were really fighting with their cars – I easily could have lighted a cigar.Smiley
    Of course overtaking manoeuvres are so much easier in the GT3 (the prestige factor also helps a bit).

    The traction out of the corners is another world – unbelievable.Smiley
    The strange thing is that it didn’t really feel that fast at the corner exits – I always needed a quick view into the rear view mirror to make me believe how much car lengths I actually gained versus a “chaser”.

    The better torque (compared to the 987S) allows to use a higher gear in a lot of sections which helps to stabilise the car.

    The feedback from the suspension and the steering is excellent of course, but it could be a bit sharper in the corners IMHO (I’m sure some Manthey magic can fix this).

    Though my wife was complaining that the car is not so friendly to the stomach when flying over the jump hills. From a driver’s POV I very much prefer the GT3’s feeling at the jump hills over the Boxster – it’s a bit harsher, but the car feels solid as a castle.Smiley
    Once again I have to praise the GT2-seats – no butt fatigue at all after some 300 km NoS on two days.

    The Pirellis are very nice for a GT3 newbie – they provide good grip even on a slightly damp track and they indicate the limit well before you risk brown spots in your trouser.

    I didn’t feel too comfortable with the brakes on the first day (guess, the Pagid Yellow didn’t get up to the proper temperature during the cruising laps on the damp track), the faster I went (on the second day in the dry) the better they worked.

    Learning curve items:

     Ø      I still have not enough feeling at corner entry Smiley
     – though once I reached the apex, everything is perfectSmiley
    Ø      Have to get more accustomed to the gearbox (works smooth, but the brain sometimes plays tricks after the 350 laps in the Boxster with slightly different ergonomics) – same goes for heel-toe.

    All I can state as a (very preliminary) conclusion so far: the GT3 is a giant adventure for every pistonhead loving the track. Nordschleife is the place where this sportscar jewel really belongs Smiley

    Anecdotal stuff: I  was astonished to spot some policecars (5series) with helmet armed cops lapping the ‘Ring. Obviously they enjoyed some special drivers training. It was funny how they caused a procession at Breidscheid (speed limit 90-70-50) with nobody daring to overtake them until behind Ex-Mühle.

     A nice guy from London, who offered me a pax-lap in his 996 GT3 was not so patient when the police cars showed up in front of us at quite low speed: “What the f…ck”….then he made good use of the flashlight Smiley

    The guy was staying in the same hotel than us. During breakfast he commenced a discussion about tyre pressures. His girlfriend stared at him in disbelief: how can you bother this German couple with so boring stuff like tyre pressure at the breakfast table. O.K. sweetheart -  I’ll explain to you now how important tyre pressure is.Smiley
    I guess the wives of us P-car nuts and track junkies sometimes have a hard time Smiley

     

     


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    Re: Finally - Nordschleife here I am again

    Herr P-J

    I enjoyed your write up, excellent and thanks! Very graphic and lively narrrative.

    Please keep us posted as you gain more acquaintance,kilometers and speed with your GT3.



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    Thank you man! I really enjoyed reading your post, especially this part: "I guess the wives of us P-car nuts and track junkies sometimes have a hard time" Smiley

    You are sssooooooooooo right! Smiley


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    Excellent read! Thank you for that!
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    Great account of your experience Achim - really enjoyed the read.Smiley

    You guys are so lucky to have 'The Ring' that close.  I'd love to get there some time, but can't see it happening unfortunately.

    Will just have to live it through the eyes of Rennteam... so many thanks for that..  Smiley



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    oh man!, 

     Achim, saw your summary and decided to have dinner while reading to your great report!!!!....

     Thanks for the great summary!!! It must be a great experience, and I hope I can write my experiences in a couple of years !!!...

     I am astonished with the fuel consumption at an average speed of 210kph reaching a top speed of 290kph, and ¨ only ¨ reading 13L/100kms, not a lot of sportscars of its category can say that !!!! Smiley


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    Thanks very much P-J for the excellent write-up on your first experiences at the Ring in your new beast Smiley I thoroughly enjoyed reading it Smiley

    You always notice all the subtle aspects and you are careful to convey them to us very precisely Smiley 

    Much appreciated Smiley Smiley

    Like John H said, it's great for us UK Rennteamers (who are condemned by distance from the Ring and adverse insurance limitations) to enjoy the Ring vicariously through your experiences.

    Looking forward to reading your future impressions Smiley 


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    Re: Finally - Nordschleife here I am again

    PJ,

    Thanks so much for the write-up, feels like I was there! Can't wait 'till I have my own GT3.

    (Probably in about some lightyears :( )

    -Joost-


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    That is an excellent write-up SmileySmileySmiley

    BTW, do you still plan to participate at the g-Force event (I think you mentioned that once)?



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    Thanks for your amazing report PJ, sounds more like "Green Heaven" than "Green Hell". Smiley

    I really hope that we can come over to The Eifel this year to see you both - the builders are going much quicker on our home than we expected, so here's hoping! Smiley


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    MKSGR:

    BTW, do you still plan to participate at the g-Force event (I think you mentioned that once)?

    Thanks guys - I'm glad you enjoyed the report Smiley

    @ MKSGR: still undecided whether the g-Force course or the special course for GT-models is the right one Smiley Any ideas or "insider" infos from your side ?


            


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    ''UK Rennteamers (who are condemned by distance from the Ring and adverse insurance limitations) to enjoy the Ring vicariously through your experiences.''

    I am always amazed that, given the above, there are so many Brits at the Ring.  Sometimes they seem to outnumber Germans.


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    Porsche-Jeck:
    MKSGR:

    BTW, do you still plan to participate at the g-Force event (I think you mentioned that once)?

    Thanks guys - I'm glad you enjoyed the report Smiley

    @ MKSGR: still undecided whether the g-Force course or the special course for GT-models is the right one Smiley Any ideas or "insider" infos from your side ?


            


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            I did the G-force course last year ( the one offered by Porsche ) it was good, but not outstanding, as it was a bit too much of the same stuff all day long


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    PJ, I enjoyed your post very much, thank you! I also want to say that I respect your approach of gradually and cautiously "finding the speed". Your modest and honest statements of fact are an example to those who wish to master their car relying only on their inborn talent - skipping practice :-)

    It reminded me of a guide I had found some time ago on the ring. I don't mean to come across as conservative :-), but it does contain some good points.

    BTW, everyone, this is my first post on rennteam - I am very glad to join!

    -- Costas


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    Hey Costas,

    Welcome! Hope you'll enjoy the company here.
    BTW, your avatar looks to come from a glider plane?

    -Joost


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    Welcome on board Costas Smiley
    There's nothing "conservative" in Dale's guide. Actually it's spot-on Smiley
    The examples in the embedded videos are well chosen (very typical scenes Smiley)

    These two quotes from his guide say it all:

    "Playing Gran Turismo 4 or watching a thousand videos will not prepare you for your first 'Ring visit. DO NOT try and go fast. If you're going to try anything, try and be SMOOTH and CONSIDERATE. Speed is a byproduct of these two skills being applied. Speed does not occur if you twist the throttle hard, mash the pedals and wobble all over the shop" 

    "Never ever ride beyond your abilities or comfort zone - the Nordschleife on a busy weekend is the most dangerous place to have an attack of testosterone sickness. 

    Have fun at Rennteam Smiley


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    Welcome to Rennteam Costas Smiley
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    Thank you for the welcome, everyone! Joost, yes, photo is from an ASK-21 :-)

    I don't mean to hijack this thread with my introduction - I just thought I would say hello :-) :-)



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    Costas

    Re: Finally - Nordschleife here I am again

    Porsche-Jeck:
    MKSGR:

    BTW, do you still plan to participate at the g-Force event (I think you mentioned that once)?

    Thanks guys - I'm glad you enjoyed the report Smiley

    @ MKSGR: still undecided whether the g-Force course or the special course for GT-models is the right one Smiley Any ideas or "insider" infos from your side ?


            

    I can tell you who you need to talk to about this to get very good insigths Smiley
     Send me a PM if interested

           

    TEE


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    Achim,

    good to see the car finally on the track. From the pictures and description of your approach sounds like you were a driving shicane Smiley  The GT3 can really buggy. Make sure you stop by Olaf and have him preform some magic

    With the weather like this I might need to get up there to run down my winter tyres Smiley

    TEE

     


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    TEE:

    driving shicane Smiley 

    Haha, so true Smiley That's why I choose a day with almost no traffic Smiley
    Good idea with your winter tyres Smiley Did the same last year with the Boxey.

    Re Leipzig: PM is coming Smiley



            


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    Re: Finally - Nordschleife here I am again

    Aviator:

     

    Thank you for the welcome, everyone! Joost, yes, photo is from an ASK-21 :-)

    I don't mean to hijack this thread with my introduction - I just thought I would say hello :-) :-)



            Hi and welcom Aviator.... you might have already a good frind with Joost .... he's into flying machines Smiley


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    Hi,

    just wanted to add to Gnil's statement about the g-force training... I did it a while ago in Leipzig and I'd rather spend the money for any "performance training" on any racetrack Porsche offers. But, if you are willing to spend the money aaaaaaand if your tires are already nearly done, than it is a nice way to reeeeeally get them done...

     


    Re: Finally - Nordschleife here I am again

    Aviator:

    Thank you for the welcome, everyone! Joost, yes, photo is from an ASK-21 :-)

    I don't mean to hijack this thread with my introduction - I just thought I would say hello :-) :-)



     Costas - you are very welcome here - hope you enjoy the banter, the humour and the many pearls of wisdom, which make Rennteam so unique..Smiley


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