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    Re: 600LT

    RC:

    I think McLaren will put at least one AWD car on the market, they have to. It may be a SUV  or a sports car but just imagine the 765LT with AWD and only a 50 kg weight increase. This car would "kill" any other sports car out there. 

    sports car and AWD do not match very well in the same sentence. let the 4WD for the SUV but there is enough on the market already Smiley


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    Re: 600LT

    the-missile:
    RC:

    I think McLaren will put at least one AWD car on the market, they have to. It may be a SUV  or a sports car but just imagine the 765LT with AWD and only a 50 kg weight increase. This car would "kill" any other sports car out there. 

    sports car and AWD do not match very well in the same sentence. let the 4WD for the SUV but there is enough on the market already Smiley

    Why? There is a reason why AWD has been banned in many racing series. Smiley

    Ask Walter Röhrl what he thinks about AWD, you may be surprised. Smiley His famous quote "everything but AWD is a compromise" is pretty famous but most "real men" in their "real 2WD" sports cars because they think "drifting or unstable rears are so cool and manly" have a different opinion. Smiley Smiley


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    Re: 600LT

    RC:
    the-missile:
    RC:

    I think McLaren will put at least one AWD car on the market, they have to. It may be a SUV  or a sports car but just imagine the 765LT with AWD and only a 50 kg weight increase. This car would "kill" any other sports car out there. 

    sports car and AWD do not match very well in the same sentence. let the 4WD for the SUV but there is enough on the market already Smiley

    Why? There is a reason why AWD has been banned in many racing series. Smiley

    Ask Walter Röhrl what he thinks about AWD, you may be surprised. Smiley His famous quote "everything but AWD is a compromise" is pretty famous but most "real men" in their "real 2WD" sports cars because they think "drifting or unstable rears are so cool and manly" have a different opinion. Smiley Smiley

    To be clear I am not bashing AWD. However, there is no getting away from the steering feel in particular being less satisfying than 2WD. I guess its a case of what one is used to. Also performance on the limit (road and track) is always more predictable with 2WD in my experience -  but that is probably because that is what I am used to.


    Re: 600LT

    crayphile:
    RC:
    the-missile:
    RC:

    I think McLaren will put at least one AWD car on the market, they have to. It may be a SUV  or a sports car but just imagine the 765LT with AWD and only a 50 kg weight increase. This car would "kill" any other sports car out there. 

    sports car and AWD do not match very well in the same sentence. let the 4WD for the SUV but there is enough on the market already Smiley

    Why? There is a reason why AWD has been banned in many racing series. Smiley

    Ask Walter Röhrl what he thinks about AWD, you may be surprised. Smiley His famous quote "everything but AWD is a compromise" is pretty famous but most "real men" in their "real 2WD" sports cars because they think "drifting or unstable rears are so cool and manly" have a different opinion. Smiley Smiley

    To be clear I am not bashing AWD. However, there is no getting away from the steering feel in particular being less satisfying than 2WD. I guess its a case of what one is used to. Also performance on the limit (road and track) is always more predictable with 2WD in my experience -  but that is probably because that is what I am used to.

    We are talking road going sportscars here, steering feel is surely a massive element in the enjoyment of the driving experience on the road, 4WD sportscars are not much fun IMO.

    I made my 4WD 993 turbo into RWD at some point and with 580PS/800NM and a Drexler 40/60 LSD it was pretty much undrivable on normal roads under power, any cambers when on boost would have you in the hedge ! Fast forward to 997GT2 with its new 997.2GT3RS geometry and nannies and it handles big power fantastically whilst still having that amazing steering feel which you can only get with RWD.


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    Re: 600LT

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    Re: 600LT

    TB993tt:
    We are talking road going sportscars here, steering feel is surely a massive element in the enjoyment of the driving experience on the road, 4WD sportscars are not much fun IMO.

     

    Indeed it is , and hence I concur with your feelings Smiley

    But what I really wanted to say is - You see I can post on the McLaren board and not mention the D word SmileySmiley


    Re: 600LT

    crayphile:
    TB993tt:
    We are talking road going sportscars here, steering feel is surely a massive element in the enjoyment of the driving experience on the road, 4WD sportscars are not much fun IMO.

     

    Indeed it is , and hence I concur with your feelings Smiley

    But what I really wanted to say is - You see I can post on the McLaren board and not mention the D word SmileySmiley

    And that is much appreciated, as you intimated before you are well acquainted with the D devil so I am preaching to the choir Smiley


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    997 GT2 2014 3.9 Mezger, 800PS @ 1.2 bar

    2021 McLaren 765LT incoming 

    993 Turbo, 2006 built 3.8, 577PS/797NM, 1440kg DIN sold to a worthy enthusiast.


    Re: 600LT

    crayphile:
    RC:
    the-missile:
    RC:

    I think McLaren will put at least one AWD car on the market, they have to. It may be a SUV  or a sports car but just imagine the 765LT with AWD and only a 50 kg weight increase. This car would "kill" any other sports car out there. 

    sports car and AWD do not match very well in the same sentence. let the 4WD for the SUV but there is enough on the market already Smiley

    Why? There is a reason why AWD has been banned in many racing series. Smiley

    Ask Walter Röhrl what he thinks about AWD, you may be surprised. Smiley His famous quote "everything but AWD is a compromise" is pretty famous but most "real men" in their "real 2WD" sports cars because they think "drifting or unstable rears are so cool and manly" have a different opinion. Smiley Smiley

    To be clear I am not bashing AWD. However, there is no getting away from the steering feel in particular being less satisfying than 2WD. I guess its a case of what one is used to. Also performance on the limit (road and track) is always more predictable with 2WD in my experience -  but that is probably because that is what I am used to.

    No, don't worry. I understood you very well. 2WD is great for a fun driving feel, no doubt. I never said AWD is more fun, I just said it is faster (usually, unfortunately some AWD setups are crap). 
    I tried to bring back that 2WD fun feeling when I had my Shelby GT500 but at some point, it got annoying. I love it when the rear comes when I want it but it is annoying when it comes when I do not want it. Smiley There are also various advantages in bad weather (rain, snow) which may or may not be important to some here but overall, I am a sucker for AWD. Doesn't mean it is what people should want, I was only talking about me...and Walter Röhrl. Smiley Smiley Smiley

    Btw: If people think that AWD cannot have the same steering feel many new fantastic RWD cars have, think again. Most of the steering systems are not (purely) mechanical anymore, you can basically program anything into modern steering systems. Smiley

    Many of you are just too focused on certain models, I get it. I am not much different either. 

     

     


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    Re: 600LT

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    Ouch... 👀

    I think German car collector Muc.Collector just started his personal war against McLaren after canceling three McLaren orders. He owns a P1 and three Senna, so I really don‘t understand what happened and why McLaren didn‘t make him happy.

     

     


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    Re: 600LT

    RC:

    Ouch... 👀

    I think German car collector Muc.Collector just started his personal war against McLaren after canceling three McLaren orders. He owns a P1 and three Senna, so I really don‘t understand what happened and why McLaren didn‘t make him happy.

     

    At least the replacement "My All Time Favorite" will keep him on his toes Smiley



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