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Please don't ban Nick, he is entertaining!!

"Yes I deliberately choose a yellow Ferrari car because it is beautiful, desired by everyone on the planet and driven as a reward for my modicum of success. Like it or not a car in many ways describes you as a person."

Very interesting view points. I think the guy truly believes all Porsche owners do envy his 430 which is why he hangs out here.

We all have our different viewpoints. My Enzo friend thinks only the Dino, F40, Enzo are real Ferraris, the rest are only poor man's models. Each to his own I suppose.

Has your friend actually driven a Dino? They were awful then and even worse now. And what kind of Ferrari lover would not mention the Daytona?

I dont agree with Nicks color choice, I think it makes the car look like a Paris Hilton handbag, but it is a stinking good car and makes a very good self awarded trophy.

Go see 50 late model Porsches on a large car lot and the brand sinks deep to the point that Nick is talking about. On that matter, hes dead nuts right.

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The reason they are not doing so is they don't want to pay more for a lesser car.

Well said Tim.

Sorry Tim that dog will not hunt. Many Porsche owners in the US would love to step up to a Ferrari and are unable to do so because of availablity and affordability.

The 997TT is a 911 with more power than other 911's. Nothing more. It is vanilla car on testosterone that buyers own to show other 911 owners their appendage is bigger than theirs.

David are you trying to be civil to me as opposed to trying to get me banned?

otwo9 good analysis. However, anyone who would use a 480hp high performance sport car as a daily car is either insane, delusional (look at me I am a boy racer see tubo written on the back with wing ) or suffers from an inferiority complex (look at me I am someone important I drive a Porsche TT to work).

Hey Nick, can you please explain why you're the only person on rennteam with your viewpoints on Porsche? Noone really takes you seriously because you're just one person with your own twisted psychology. It's not like there's even two people that share your viewpoints. I'm sure other Ferrari owners are embarrased by you. Notice they don't have the same viewpoint or support you. So I ask, why do you think that is? As for me, the answer is clear. All I have to do is look at your picture. You must've suffered a lot of abuse in your childhood. You may have been that kid in high school that everyone picked on. The "butt of jokes," as it were. Perhaps you were ignored by your parents. Definitely had a problem with girls. I wouldn't be surprised if you're a virgin. So what's your explanation? Why are you the only person out of hundreds on rennteam with your viewpoint?

BTW, I, like most Porsche owners could buy a F430 if I really really wanted one, granted we'd have to wait in line just like everyone else.

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Hey guys, I have been reading this stuff. It sounds like two kids arguing who they like more, their mother or their father. They are different. I have driven a Porsche Turbo as my daily driver since an '89 930 factory slantnose cab. I will keep my 996tts cab while picking up my 997tt in 3 weeks. When I drove my 360 yellow spider for the first drive (my third Ferrari), I felt like a rock star (I am not). I had to talk with everybody beside me at every red light. I couldn't come out to it a parking lot without being asked by an assemnbled group how fast it went, how much it cost, etc. I went home after 30 minutes exhausted from the attention. I now drive it only in the countryside to listen to the engine and feel the poetry. I get a buzz still everytime I fire up a Ferrari. Would I drive it as my daily driver? No. On a sunny day in the country side? Nothing better.

OK, I am fortunate to have both. But if you only have a mother or a father.....love him/her and don't try to say the one you have is better than the one you don't. It sounds a bit silly since they are so different and both world class in their own ways.

My opinion.

David

Well said.

If I could have both a Porsche 997TT and a Ferrari F430, I would drive the 997TT to work everyday and enjoy the Ferrari on the weekends. Nothing wrong with both cars. I don't see the need to knock the other car or their owners. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. Why can't we all have respect and courtesy towards both cars and their owners?

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Want the worlds most versatile sports car? Buy the 997TT
Want a true genuin and thrilling exotic? buy the F430

If there is a possiblity try to get a testdrive.

The F430 isn't exotic. The 599 is, or the Murcielago.

How can you say the F430 is not exotic. Is absoulely is, just as is the 599GTB and the Lambo Murci. Face it..Ferraris are exotics...just as Lambos are. If you don't like the F430, that is a different story. But to say it is not exotic...get a clue!

Maybe it is an exotic to the Corvette guys, but with almost as many made per annum as the 997 Turbos, it isn't an exotic, unless you also consider the Turbo an exotic. Now what will it be?

What will it be? Crash, you have a way of starting conversation that ends conversation! The F430 is an exotic. The Z06 is not...either is the Turbo.

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Want the worlds most versatile sports car? Buy the 997TT
Want a true genuin and thrilling exotic? buy the F430

If there is a possiblity try to get a testdrive.

The F430 isn't exotic. The 599 is, or the Murcielago.

How can you say the F430 is not exotic. Is absoulely is, just as is the 599GTB and the Lambo Murci. Face it..Ferraris are exotics...just as Lambos are. If you don't like the F430, that is a different story. But to say it is not exotic...get a clue!

Maybe it is an exotic to the Corvette guys, but with almost as many made per annum as the 997 Turbos, it isn't an exotic, unless you also consider the Turbo an exotic. Now what will it be?

What will it be? Crash, you have a way of starting conversation that ends conversation! The F430 is an exotic. The Z06 is not...either is the Turbo.

In the US Ferrari does not start manufacturing a car unless it already has a customer specific order. That's partly why, unlike Lambo/Porsche etc. where dealership's can order for stock, you do not see new cars for sale on the dealership floor. (that and the wait list of course). And Ferrari is the ONLY manufacturer at this current time that has anywhere close to this % of it's cars it manufactures/ed recently selling for a premium in the pre-owned market. (CS, 360 Spider, 599, 430, 430 Spider, Superamerica, Enzo, etc.) Why most will consider a Ferrari more exotic than a lambo.- Quantity produced versus current demand. ie) How easy/hard is it to buy that car at MSRP? While I agree the # of them on the road is part of what makes it exotic, You can't use this as the defining attribute because then really crappy cars with zero demand, on the roads in very limited #s would also be considered exotic. IMO it's more like the quantity AND desirebility (or demand). In other words, just because there's less Lambo's doesn't imo make it more exotic, it just doesn't have as strong a market (not desired) as much as some Ferrari's. I don't consider Porsche's exotic's. Z06's are the furthest from being an exotic.(from those mentioned because GM will produce as many as it can to fill demand therefore making the ease of buying a desireable car at msrp easy).

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Want the worlds most versatile sports car? Buy the 997TT
Want a true genuin and thrilling exotic? buy the F430

If there is a possiblity try to get a testdrive.

The F430 isn't exotic. The 599 is, or the Murcielago.

How can you say the F430 is not exotic. Is absoulely is, just as is the 599GTB and the Lambo Murci. Face it..Ferraris are exotics...just as Lambos are. If you don't like the F430, that is a different story. But to say it is not exotic...get a clue!

Maybe it is an exotic to the Corvette guys, but with almost as many made per annum as the 997 Turbos, it isn't an exotic, unless you also consider the Turbo an exotic. Now what will it be?

What will it be? Crash, you have a way of starting conversation that ends conversation! The F430 is an exotic. The Z06 is not...either is the Turbo.

In the US Ferrari does not start manufacturing a car unless it already has a customer specific order. That's partly why, unlike Lambo/Porsche etc. where dealership's can order for stock, you do not see new cars for sale on the dealership floor. (that and the wait list of course). And Ferrari is the ONLY manufacturer at this current time that has anywhere close to this % of it's cars it manufactures/ed recently selling for a premium in the pre-owned market. (CS, 360 Spider, 599, 430, 430 Spider, Superamerica, Enzo, etc.) Why most will consider a Ferrari more exotic than a lambo.- Quantity produced versus current demand. ie) How easy/hard is it to buy that car at MSRP? While I agree the # of them on the road is part of what makes it exotic, You can't use this as the defining attribute because then really crappy cars with zero demand, on the roads in very limited #s would also be considered exotic. IMO it's more like the quantity AND desirebility (or demand). In other words, just because there's less Lambo's doesn't imo make it more exotic, it just doesn't have as strong a market (not desired) as much as some Ferrari's. I don't consider Porsche's exotic's. Z06's are the furthest from being an exotic.(from those mentioned because GM will produce as many as it can to fill demand therefore making the ease of buying a desireable car at msrp easy).

The US is obviously very different from Europe. The dealer here always has at least one F430 at any time, that was ordered for stock. It's always sold pretty fast, but I think Ferrari sees an opportunity to present its cars as proper exotics in the US, while it knows that this stuff won't work in Europe.

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Want the worlds most versatile sports car? Buy the 997TT
Want a true genuin and thrilling exotic? buy the F430

If there is a possiblity try to get a testdrive.

The F430 isn't exotic. The 599 is, or the Murcielago.

How can you say the F430 is not exotic. Is absoulely is, just as is the 599GTB and the Lambo Murci. Face it..Ferraris are exotics...just as Lambos are. If you don't like the F430, that is a different story. But to say it is not exotic...get a clue!

Maybe it is an exotic to the Corvette guys, but with almost as many made per annum as the 997 Turbos, it isn't an exotic, unless you also consider the Turbo an exotic. Now what will it be?

What will it be? Crash, you have a way of starting conversation that ends conversation! The F430 is an exotic. The Z06 is not...either is the Turbo.

In the US Ferrari does not start manufacturing a car unless it already has a customer specific order. That's partly why, unlike Lambo/Porsche etc. where dealership's can order for stock, you do not see new cars for sale on the dealership floor. (that and the wait list of course). And Ferrari is the ONLY manufacturer at this current time that has anywhere close to this % of it's cars it manufactures/ed recently selling for a premium in the pre-owned market. (CS, 360 Spider, 599, 430, 430 Spider, Superamerica, Enzo, etc.) Why most will consider a Ferrari more exotic than a lambo.- Quantity produced versus current demand. ie) How easy/hard is it to buy that car at MSRP? While I agree the # of them on the road is part of what makes it exotic, You can't use this as the defining attribute because then really crappy cars with zero demand, on the roads in very limited #s would also be considered exotic. IMO it's more like the quantity AND desirebility (or demand). In other words, just because there's less Lambo's doesn't imo make it more exotic, it just doesn't have as strong a market (not desired) as much as some Ferrari's. I don't consider Porsche's exotic's. Z06's are the furthest from being an exotic.(from those mentioned because GM will produce as many as it can to fill demand therefore making the ease of buying a desireable car at msrp easy).

The US is obviously very different from Europe. The dealer here always has at least one F430 at any time, that was ordered for stock. It's always sold pretty fast, but I think Ferrari sees an opportunity to present its cars as proper exotics in the US, while it knows that this stuff won't work in Europe.

Ferrari already mastored it, in it's far largest and most important (financially) market, a long time ago.

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Want the worlds most versatile sports car? Buy the 997TT
Want a true genuin and thrilling exotic? buy the F430

If there is a possiblity try to get a testdrive.

The F430 isn't exotic. The 599 is, or the Murcielago.

How can you say the F430 is not exotic. Is absoulely is, just as is the 599GTB and the Lambo Murci. Face it..Ferraris are exotics...just as Lambos are. If you don't like the F430, that is a different story. But to say it is not exotic...get a clue!

Maybe it is an exotic to the Corvette guys, but with almost as many made per annum as the 997 Turbos, it isn't an exotic, unless you also consider the Turbo an exotic. Now what will it be?

What will it be? Crash, you have a way of starting conversation that ends conversation! The F430 is an exotic. The Z06 is not...either is the Turbo.

In the US Ferrari does not start manufacturing a car unless it already has a customer specific order. That's partly why, unlike Lambo/Porsche etc. where dealership's can order for stock, you do not see new cars for sale on the dealership floor. (that and the wait list of course). And Ferrari is the ONLY manufacturer at this current time that has anywhere close to this % of it's cars it manufactures/ed recently selling for a premium in the pre-owned market. (CS, 360 Spider, 599, 430, 430 Spider, Superamerica, Enzo, etc.) Why most will consider a Ferrari more exotic than a lambo.- Quantity produced versus current demand. ie) How easy/hard is it to buy that car at MSRP? While I agree the # of them on the road is part of what makes it exotic, You can't use this as the defining attribute because then really crappy cars with zero demand, on the roads in very limited #s would also be considered exotic. IMO it's more like the quantity AND desirebility (or demand). In other words, just because there's less Lambo's doesn't imo make it more exotic, it just doesn't have as strong a market (not desired) as much as some Ferrari's. I don't consider Porsche's exotic's. Z06's are the furthest from being an exotic.(from those mentioned because GM will produce as many as it can to fill demand therefore making the ease of buying a desireable car at msrp easy).

The US is obviously very different from Europe. The dealer here always has at least one F430 at any time, that was ordered for stock. It's always sold pretty fast, but I think Ferrari sees an opportunity to present its cars as proper exotics in the US, while it knows that this stuff won't work in Europe.

Ferrari already mastored it, in it's far largest and most important (financially) market, a long time ago.

Obviously. Just look at Nick Berry .

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Want the worlds most versatile sports car? Buy the 997TT
Want a true genuin and thrilling exotic? buy the F430

If there is a possiblity try to get a testdrive.

The F430 isn't exotic. The 599 is, or the Murcielago.

How can you say the F430 is not exotic. Is absoulely is, just as is the 599GTB and the Lambo Murci. Face it..Ferraris are exotics...just as Lambos are. If you don't like the F430, that is a different story. But to say it is not exotic...get a clue!

Maybe it is an exotic to the Corvette guys, but with almost as many made per annum as the 997 Turbos, it isn't an exotic, unless you also consider the Turbo an exotic. Now what will it be?

What will it be? Crash, you have a way of starting conversation that ends conversation! The F430 is an exotic. The Z06 is not...either is the Turbo.

In the US Ferrari does not start manufacturing a car unless it already has a customer specific order. That's partly why, unlike Lambo/Porsche etc. where dealership's can order for stock, you do not see new cars for sale on the dealership floor. (that and the wait list of course). And Ferrari is the ONLY manufacturer at this current time that has anywhere close to this % of it's cars it manufactures/ed recently selling for a premium in the pre-owned market. (CS, 360 Spider, 599, 430, 430 Spider, Superamerica, Enzo, etc.) Why most will consider a Ferrari more exotic than a lambo.- Quantity produced versus current demand. ie) How easy/hard is it to buy that car at MSRP? While I agree the # of them on the road is part of what makes it exotic, You can't use this as the defining attribute because then really crappy cars with zero demand, on the roads in very limited #s would also be considered exotic. IMO it's more like the quantity AND desirebility (or demand). In other words, just because there's less Lambo's doesn't imo make it more exotic, it just doesn't have as strong a market (not desired) as much as some Ferrari's. I don't consider Porsche's exotic's. Z06's are the furthest from being an exotic.(from those mentioned because GM will produce as many as it can to fill demand therefore making the ease of buying a desireable car at msrp easy).

The US is obviously very different from Europe. The dealer here always has at least one F430 at any time, that was ordered for stock. It's always sold pretty fast, but I think Ferrari sees an opportunity to present its cars as proper exotics in the US, while it knows that this stuff won't work in Europe.

Ferrari already mastored it, in it's far largest and most important (financially) market, a long time ago.

Obviously. Just look at Nick Berry .

Ahhhhhhhhh, lay off Nick, he's just another car nut like everyone else here. Some are just created more nutty than others.

Gotta run, take it easy.

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Want the worlds most versatile sports car? Buy the 997TT
Want a true genuin and thrilling exotic? buy the F430

If there is a possiblity try to get a testdrive.

The F430 isn't exotic. The 599 is, or the Murcielago.

How can you say the F430 is not exotic. Is absoulely is, just as is the 599GTB and the Lambo Murci. Face it..Ferraris are exotics...just as Lambos are. If you don't like the F430, that is a different story. But to say it is not exotic...get a clue!

Maybe it is an exotic to the Corvette guys, but with almost as many made per annum as the 997 Turbos, it isn't an exotic, unless you also consider the Turbo an exotic. Now what will it be?

What will it be? Crash, you have a way of starting conversation that ends conversation! The F430 is an exotic. The Z06 is not...either is the Turbo.

http://wrennamonet.solomodels.com/ That's partly why, unlike Lambo/Porsche etc. where dealership's can order for stock, you do not see new cars for sale on the dealership floor. (that and the wait list of course). And Ferrari is the ONLY manufacturer at this current time that has anywhere close to this % of it's cars it manufactures/ed recently selling for a premium in the pre-owned market. (CS, 360 Spider, 599, 430, 430 Spider, Superamerica, Enzo, etc.) Why most will consider a Ferrari more exotic than a lambo.- Quantity produced versus current demand. ie) How easy/hard is it to buy that car at MSRP? While I agree the # of them on the road is part of what makes it exotic, You can't use this as the defining attribute because then really crappy cars with zero demand, on the roads in very limited #s would also be considered exotic. IMO it's more like the quantity AND desirebility (or demand). In other words, just because there's less Lambo's doesn't imo make it more exotic, it just doesn't have as strong a market (not desired) as much as some Ferrari's. I don't consider Porsche's exotic's. Z06's are the furthest from being an exotic.(from those mentioned because GM will produce as many as it can to fill demand therefore making the ease of buying a desireable car at msrp easy).

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It's pathetic in a way to read how nick feels so special or feels he has imaginary "clout" because he can pick up the phone and get a car at MSRP.

Real power belongs to the likes of presidents, the pope, leaders of a terrorist group, all which has nothing to do a car brand.

Nick, will your ferrari sales person die or kill for you? If the answer is no, then try not to be so impressed with yourself. You're just another guy with a car, albeit a nice one.

Obviously you can't afford real exclusivity, that's why you're caught up in the trappings of your "ferrari" Try to remember you're just another guy with a car.

Nobody on this forum really cares that its a f430, that your modicum of success couldn't reward you with a real ferarri (f50, enzo, fxx), yacht, plane or private island. You don't see the likes of those people coming here waving their success in your face. Because you're just another guy with a car.

In this small world of ours, economically speaking, there's always going to be someone less than you and someone greater than you. You're just another guy with a car.

Hard to believe, but it's true. Not everyone wants a supermodel for a wife/girlfriend. And not everyone desires a ferrari. Regardless of whether we can afford it or not. So remember, you're just another guy with a car.

You don't have real power. You don't have real wealth. Get over yourself. Spare us the delusional remarks about how everyone should feel about the "ferrari" brand. Remember, you're just another guy with a car. Nothing more, nothing less.

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First of all, Nick is a Porsche owner AND a Ferrari owner.

Secondly, if his questions or commentary annoys you thats too bad, get over it. Rennteam is not some sort of quasi
700 Club Porsche board.

You dont have to agree or disagree with what he says, and you shouldnt wrap yourself around your tailpipe about it.

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First of all, Nick is a Porsche owner AND a Ferrari owner.

Secondly, if his questions or commentary annoys you thats too bad, get over it. Rennteam is not some sort of quasi
700 Club Porsche board.

You dont have to agree or disagree with what he says, and you shouldnt wrap yourself around your tailpipe about it.

So what's your definition of an internet troll? I think if you look at the classic definition Nick fits it perfectly. Some have more tolerance to trolls than others. So be it.

BTW, I agree with others Nick is highly entertaining. If you think he's entertaining now, I guarantee you he will be even more entertaining if he's banned! Such is the nature of trolls, their very life depends on the attention they get from busting balls and his delusion that he knows something we can't see and his life's mission is to help us see the "light" when in fact he's the one that's brain-washed. In that respect he's like those annoying Jehovah's Witnesses. Hey Nick- we don't want to hear your message, we don't need to be "converted!" On the other hand, if you have something useful and constructive to post, please do so!

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Want the worlds most versatile sports car? Buy the 997TT
Want a true genuin and thrilling exotic? buy the F430

If there is a possiblity try to get a testdrive.

The F430 isn't exotic. The 599 is, or the Murcielago.

How can you say the F430 is not exotic. Is absoulely is, just as is the 599GTB and the Lambo Murci. Face it..Ferraris are exotics...just as Lambos are. If you don't like the F430, that is a different story. But to say it is not exotic...get a clue!

Maybe it is an exotic to the Corvette guys, but with almost as many made per annum as the 997 Turbos, it isn't an exotic, unless you also consider the Turbo an exotic. Now what will it be?

What will it be? Crash, you have a way of starting conversation that ends conversation! The F430 is an exotic. The Z06 is not...either is the Turbo.

http://wrennamonet.solomodels.com/ That's partly why, unlike Lambo/Porsche etc. where dealership's can order for stock, you do not see new cars for sale on the dealership floor. (that and the wait list of course). And Ferrari is the ONLY manufacturer at this current time that has anywhere close to this % of it's cars it manufactures/ed recently selling for a premium in the pre-owned market. (CS, 360 Spider, 599, 430, 430 Spider, Superamerica, Enzo, etc.) Why most will consider a Ferrari more exotic than a lambo.- Quantity produced versus current demand. ie) How easy/hard is it to buy that car at MSRP? While I agree the # of them on the road is part of what makes it exotic, You can't use this as the defining attribute because then really crappy cars with zero demand, on the roads in very limited #s would also be considered exotic. IMO it's more like the quantity AND desirebility (or demand). In other words, just because there's less Lambo's doesn't imo make it more exotic, it just doesn't have as strong a market (not desired) as much as some Ferrari's. I don't consider Porsche's exotic's. Z06's are the furthest from being an exotic.(from those mentioned because GM will produce as many as it can to fill demand therefore making the ease of buying a desireable car at msrp easy).

I must correct 2 errors in your statement.
1.Ferrari does not manufacture a car unless there is a specific order. NOT TRUE. I have a very good friend that ownes one of the largest Ferrari dealers in So Cal. He says this statement is wrong. He gets cars in that go on the floor that were not ordered for a customer.
2. GM will produce as many Z06's as it can to fill the demand. FALSE. GM is amking about 6000 Z06's per year for the world, and that is it. GM could easily sell twice as many.

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Ronnie your friend is mistaken. Ferarri's are built ONLY upon order. If your friend is buying one off the floor which he did not order, then he is paying a premium over MSRP.

To the those of you who revel in attacking me personally because I do not agree with your passion for Porsche, you have my sympathy. Ignorance always manifests itself in uncivilized behavior. There is absolutely no need for that on this board.

As for you David, though I do my best to ingore you I am puzzled as to why YOU believe you can get me banned from this or any other board in the quixotic hope of censoring me? Dream on.

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Ronnie your friend is mistaken. Ferarri's are built ONLY upon order. If your friend is buying one off the floor which he did not order, then he is paying a premium over MSRP.

To the those of you who revel in attacking me personally because I do not agree with your passion for Porsche, you have my sympathy. Ignorance always manifests itself in uncivilized behavior. There is absolutely no need for that on this board.

As for you David, though I do my best to ingore you I am puzzled as to why YOU believe you can get me banned from this or any other board in the quixotic hope of censoring me? Dream on.

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Ronnie your friend is mistaken. Ferarri's are built ONLY upon order. If your friend is buying one off the floor which he did not order, then he is paying a premium over MSRP.

To the those of you who revel in attacking me personally because I do not agree with your passion for Porsche, you have my sympathy. Ignorance always manifests itself in uncivilized behavior. There is absolutely no need for that on this board.

As for you David, though I do my best to ingore you I am puzzled as to why YOU believe you can get me banned from this or any other board in the quixotic hope of censoring me? Dream on.

My frined in Not mistaken...I know him quite well, and he is not buying one off the floor...he ownes the Ferrari dealer!

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Ronnie your friend is mistaken. Ferarri's are built ONLY upon order. If your friend is buying one off the floor which he did not order, then he is paying a premium over MSRP.

To the those of you who revel in attacking me personally because I do not agree with your passion for Porsche, you have my sympathy. Ignorance always manifests itself in uncivilized behavior. There is absolutely no need for that on this board.

As for you David, though I do my best to ingore you I am puzzled as to why YOU believe you can get me banned from this or any other board in the quixotic hope of censoring me? Dream on.

My frined in Not mistaken...I know him quite well, and he is not buying one off the floor...he ownes the Ferrari dealer!

Ronnie - What car (model) did your friend that owns the dealership order and put on the floor at msrp? Which dealership does he own?

Bet people would like to know where they can walk into a Ferrari dealer and buy a new car on the floor at msrp.

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nberry said:
Ronnie your friend is mistaken. Ferarri's are built ONLY upon order. If your friend is buying one off the floor which he did not order, then he is paying a premium over MSRP.

To the those of you who revel in attacking me personally because I do not agree with your passion for Porsche, you have my sympathy. Ignorance always manifests itself in uncivilized behavior. There is absolutely no need for that on this board.

As for you David, though I do my best to ingore you I am puzzled as to why YOU believe you can get me banned from this or any other board in the quixotic hope of censoring me? Dream on.

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nberry said:
Very few Ferrari owners covet Porsche's. A great many Porsche owners covet Ferrari's. There are many reasons for this dynamic.

Today while at the Porsche dealership to yet again get my Cayenne serviced, they had two Boxster S's each with a sign indicating take $8000 of MSRP and a 997C4 Cab. with a sign indicating take $10,000 off MSRP. The had a Cayman listed for almost $72,000 which has been sitting there for a very long time. Had I not known better I would have swore I was in a GM dealership.

Do you see the difference between Ferrari and Porsche?