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    Re: who would !! Chris Harris bought a Ferrari

    True, but the newer ones keep on gaining more weight with the help of playstation technology  indecision


    Re: who would !! Chris Harris bought a Ferrari

    Having a 900+ HP super-Ferrari (Enzo replacement) with a dry weight of just some 150 kg more than an F40 is an amazing achievement. Nearly double the power/weight ratio! 


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    Re: who would !! Chris Harris bought a Ferrari

    Whoopsy:

    The knob was at 'Sport'. I do notice the other suspension button on the other side, didn't touch it though. So that's what that button is for?

    The road is question is a major artery road that I travel 3 times a week, so it's a good test on a daily driving ability of a car. Think the city ran out of money maintaining it because they refuse to install fare gates on public transit, they didn't think people would NOT pay to get on the trains. Idiots. 

     

    On the Scuderia, the suspension button allowed you to put it back to sport suspension setting when you were in race mode. 

    I don't know about the 458 but I suspect it is the same. So the softest setting you will get in race mode is sport suspension.

    So if the sport suspension setting was too hard for that road in question, it would be a no go. 

    I am curious to drive a 12C, I heard the ride is indeed very compliant in cool driving but that it becomes a beast when you push it.

    I do miss the gearbox of the Scuderia, it was a special car, that noise, than engine and light too but the feedback was a let down compared with my two RS and eventually it was sold. 

     


    Re: who would !! Chris Harris bought a Ferrari

    REALZEUS:

    The best Ferrari is always the next one. - Enzo Ferrari

    The F40 has been surpassed many years now.

     

     


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    You only judge car by numbers on papers and lap times. What it important to a real petrolhead is how a car can make you FEEL! 

    The Turbo S is quicker than the F40 on any given conditions and yet I'd take the latter for sheer fun. A proper violent, scary, intimidating supercar. 
     

    Get it wrong and it will bite you, but get it right and the rewards are amazing. 

    Enzo Ferrari didn't give a shit about his road cars, he made them to make money to fund his racing activities.

     


    Re: who would !! Chris Harris bought a Ferrari

    What a cool video, thanks for posting it again! I remember watching it when it just got done. I didn't have an F40 then and I thought, yes, what a car.

    Harris is right all the way, his videos are awesome.Smiley

     


    Re: who would !! Chris Harris bought a Ferrari

    Whoopsy:

    The knob was at 'Sport'. I do notice the other suspension button on the other side, didn't touch it though. So that's what that button is for?

    The road is question is a major artery road that I travel 3 times a week, so it's a good test on a daily driving ability of a car. Think the city ran out of money maintaining it because they refuse to install fare gates on public transit, they didn't think people would NOT pay to get on the trains. Idiots. 

     

    Whoopsy,

    From  what you wrote about your Ferrari test drive, I see that you have already decided on your choice. You made the right choice on your behalf.

    However, I would like to clear about suspension thing on 458. The car has magnaride suspension system with 3 settings (comfort-sport-race). You have comfort setting in "WET" mode; sport setting in "SPORT"; race setting in "RACE-TC OFF-CST OFF" setting. However, you can de-couple the suspension setting to comfort in all modes except "WET". 458 in sport feels/rides better than my ex-997.1 Carrera S w/sports chassie. You can still put the car in comfort setting, though. So I disagree with you about your Porsche suspension comparison with 458Smiley


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    Re: who would !! Chris Harris bought a Ferrari

    pride355:
    Whoopsy:

    The knob was at 'Sport'. I do notice the other suspension button on the other side, didn't touch it though. So that's what that button is for?

    The road is question is a major artery road that I travel 3 times a week, so it's a good test on a daily driving ability of a car. Think the city ran out of money maintaining it because they refuse to install fare gates on public transit, they didn't think people would NOT pay to get on the trains. Idiots. 

     

    Whoopsy,

    From  what you wrote about your Ferrari test drive, I see that you have already decided on your choice. You made the right choice on your behalf.

    However, I would like to clear about suspension thing on 458. The car has magnaride suspension system with 3 settings (comfort-sport-race). You have comfort setting in "WET" mode; sport setting in "SPORT"; race setting in "RACE-TC OFF-CST OFF" setting. However, you can de-couple the suspension setting to comfort in all modes except "WET". 458 in sport feels/rides better than my ex-997.1 Carrera S w/sports chassie. You can still put the car in comfort setting, though. So I disagree with you about your Porsche suspension comparison with 458Smiley

    Ah so it's not like the Scuderia then. You can be in race mode and have the suspension set all the way to comfort? 

    I liked the ride of the 458 in sport mode, I thought it was very compliant. Then again, despite what RC thinks, I like my cars quite firm.Smiley

     


    Re: who would !! Chris Harris bought a Ferrari

    Futch:

    Whoopsy,

    From  what you wrote about your Ferrari test drive, I see that you have already decided on your choice. You made the right choice on your behalf.

    However, I would like to clear about suspension thing on 458. The car has magnaride suspension system with 3 settings (comfort-sport-race). You have comfort setting in "WET" mode; sport setting in "SPORT"; race setting in "RACE-TC OFF-CST OFF" setting. However, you can de-couple the suspension setting to comfort in all modes except "WET". 458 in sport feels/rides better than my ex-997.1 Carrera S w/sports chassie. You can still put the car in comfort setting, though. So I disagree with you about your Porsche suspension comparison with 458Smiley

    Ah so it's not like the Scuderia then. You can be in race mode and have the suspension set all the way to comfort? 

    I liked the ride of the 458 in sport mode, I thought it was very compliant. Then again, despite what RC thinks, I like my cars quite firm.Smiley

     

    Yes exactly. Futch;

    I agree with you about sport mode. I find comfort mode too soft/very disconnected on the front and race mode to be too stiff especially on our poor roads. Sport has the best cruising/driving setup except traction control level, IMO.


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    Re: who would !! Chris Harris bought a Ferrari

    Having experienced the F40 in the passenger seat, I can tell you it is one scary car. You need to be confident in what you are doing or it is bye bye. Honestly, it is the one car that I was happy to get out of.

    The owner driver knew what he was doing but I have spent a lot of time in high performance cars and despite his skills I was not all that confident we would not crash. The car behaved squirrely since it did not have ANY stability/nanny aids. 


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    Re: who would !! Chris Harris bought a Ferrari

    pride355:
    Whoopsy:

    The knob was at 'Sport'. I do notice the other suspension button on the other side, didn't touch it though. So that's what that button is for?

    The road is question is a major artery road that I travel 3 times a week, so it's a good test on a daily driving ability of a car. Think the city ran out of money maintaining it because they refuse to install fare gates on public transit, they didn't think people would NOT pay to get on the trains. Idiots. 

     

    Whoopsy,

    From  what you wrote about your Ferrari test drive, I see that you have already decided on your choice. You made the right choice on your behalf.

    However, I would like to clear about suspension thing on 458. The car has magnaride suspension system with 3 settings (comfort-sport-race). You have comfort setting in "WET" mode; sport setting in "SPORT"; race setting in "RACE-TC OFF-CST OFF" setting. However, you can de-couple the suspension setting to comfort in all modes except "WET". 458 in sport feels/rides better than my ex-997.1 Carrera S w/sports chassie. You can still put the car in comfort setting, though. So I disagree with you about your Porsche suspension comparison with 458Smiley

     

    The WET setting, well, the manager didn't mention it's the 'normal' mode. He told me the 'normal' mode for Ferrari is the 'Sports'. 'Wet' is for, well, wet or winter. Smiley

    I had experienced the magnaride in a 599 but seems like the 458 is tuned more firmly than the 599. Plus, I had one of the original magnaride car, a 97 Corvette and back then I like that improved ride over regular suspensions even in a first gen high-tech ride system.

    Truth is, I admit I am a Porsche fan, so I am a bit bias about Porsche products :) 


    Re: who would !! Chris Harris bought a Ferrari

    Futch:
     

    I liked the ride of the 458 in sport mode, I thought it was very compliant. Then again, despite what RC thinks, I like my cars quite firm.Smiley

     

    I think we're on the same frequency Smiley

     

     

     


    Re: who would !! Chris Harris bought a Ferrari

    nberry:

    Having experienced the F40 in the passenger seat, I can tell you it is one scary car. You need to be confident in what you are doing or it is bye bye. Honestly, it is the one car that I was happy to get out of.

    The owner driver knew what he was doing but I have spent a lot of time in high performance cars and despite his skills I was not all that confident we would not crash. The car behaved squirrely since it did not have ANY stability/nanny aids. 

    I'm surprised you didn't blame the outdated manual transmission Smiley

    F40 = V8 + IHI Turbo + dog-leg box + LSD and you're on your own Smiley

    Speaking of the F40's transmission, who supplied Ferrari the 5-speed dog-leg box ? Smiley

     

     

     

     


    Re: who would !! Chris Harris bought a Ferrari

    You only judge car by numbers on papers and lap times. What it important to a real petrolhead is how a car can make you FEEL! 

     

     

     So true on so many levels on the regular's table - lot's of people judge purely by 0-100 or 0-200 or HP - but what makes you grin is how you feel in it ! SmileySmiley


    Re: who would !! Chris Harris bought a Ferrari

    For those who are only interested in numbers angry

     


    Re: who would !! Chris Harris bought a Ferrari

    Nobody said that only numbers matter. Buth they do matter too.


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    Re: who would !! Chris Harris bought a Ferrari

    What is interesting and to show you the instability of the F40 (fun as it may beSmiley) A 997 S is faster around the Ring with substantially less hp. Of course, the 997 has about a 10 year technology advantage over it.Smiley


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    Re: who would !! Chris Harris bought a Ferrari

    pgouveia:

    hello guys

    For those who didn't read Chris Harris Ferrari "Manifesto" ;)

    http://jalopnik.com/5760248/how-ferrari-spins

    "Ferrari will never admit that its press cars are tuned, but has the gall to turn up at any of the big European magazines' end-of-year-shindig-tests with two cars. One for straight line work, the other for handling exercises. Because that's what happens when you buy a 458: they deliver two for just those eventualities. The whole thing stinks"

    This is a nice read smiley

    Paulo

    Thank you Paulo,

    I had never seen this article, but it sure feels right...  I wondered why the 458 I rented to try before buying felt ok fast with weakish brakes....  compared to a turbo s  and maybe this explains it...Smiley  altho' at high revs, it was pretty amusing in the canyons....  but i like my scud better due to my ignoranceSmiley


    Re: who would !! Chris Harris bought a Ferrari

    Youtube is your friend, where actual owners post videos or/and race their Ferraris vs other cars. We all know the results.

    I also heard that aerodynamics claims for their streetcars are often rubbish vs real measurements by non-Ferrari sources. 


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    Re: who would !! Chris Harris bought a Ferrari

    RC:

     

    I also heard that aerodynamics claims for their streetcars are often rubbish vs real measurements by non-Ferrari sources.

    That explains why their F1 team sucks Smiley


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