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    2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    Final race of the season coming up the weekend after this one.

    Nothing to play for in terms of the championship titles but several drivers are still battling for 2nd place overall and ... a race win is still a race win so I expect a close fought race.

    Will this be Rubens Barrichello's farewell race? A home race would be a nice way to bring his career to an emotional and fitting end.

    There's rumour that Raikkonen is not just returning to Williams but wants an equity stake in the team.

    http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7313141/-Raikkonen-wants-equity-in-Williams-

    And Petrov has severely criticised his team over strategy and in-season development. He has a contract for 2012 but he doesn't sound like a driver who is confident of actually being in the car next year.

    http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/7314292/Petrov-Hits-Out-At-Misfiring-Renault-Team

    http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/11/what-next-for-petrov-after-rant-at-renault/

    Let's see - there should be more 2012 driver news too :)

     


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    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    Already entering a mild state of depression. How to keep myself entertained for next couple of months is a big question.

    Hate these season endings.

    Cheers.


    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    YOU'RE depressed?!! I just found out the F1 track that was going to be 30 minutes from my house is not to be! THAT'S depressing.

    Anyway, over the winter I plan to play back Montreal and Spa, at least. Then rescreen Le Mans with Steve McQueen.indecision


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    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    Looks like Senna will not be retained in 2012 by Lotus Renault with Grosjean replacing him next year.

    http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7323767/-Senna-out-Grosjean-in-at-Renault-

    Rumours of McLaren possibly receiving a Honda engine from 2014

    http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/11/is-honda-really-up-for-f1-return-with-mclaren/

    http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/7320309/-McLaren-To-Switch-To-Honda-


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    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    More driver announcements ... PDLR is joining HRT

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/15825993.stm

    http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/11/de-la-rosa-move-to-hrt-the-first-of-a-raft-of-driver-announcements/

    LCdM confirms Massa will drive for Ferrari in 2012 but needs to drive well to be considered for 2013 and beyond

    http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/11/montezemolo-puts-massa-on-notice-to-raise-his-game/

    Pirelli to debut 2012 soft compound in Brazil

    http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7324814/New-soft-tyre-to-debut-in-Brazil
     


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    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    Fyi, even though your probably not interested , I am in the the lead of this F1 prediction game= http://www.f1pg.com/ . My username is throttlethrasher. I am set up to win a nice new PS3 blush, it really should be in the bag  . Some of you guy's should give it a try next season and see if you can keep up with my expertise F1 knowledge. indecision.


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    "I didn't do it"


    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    easy_rider911:

    More driver announcements ... PDLR is joining HRT

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/15825993.stm

    http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/11/de-la-rosa-move-to-hrt-the-first-of-a-raft-of-driver-announcements/

    LCdM confirms Massa will drive for Ferrari in 2012 but needs to drive well to be considered for 2013 and beyond

    http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/11/montezemolo-puts-massa-on-notice-to-raise-his-game/

    Pirelli to debut 2012 soft compound in Brazil

    http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7324814/New-soft-tyre-to-debut-in-Brazil
     



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    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    McLaren urges teams to compete harder vs RBR in 2012

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/15858117.stm

    McLaren dismiss rumours of a future engine deal with Honda

    http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7330122/-Honda-rumours-wide-of-the-mark-

    Whitmarsh expects Hamilton to move up a level in 2012

    http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/7330165/Boss-Hamilton-Will-Rise-To-A-New-Level

    Senna fighting for a 2012 seat

    http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7330267/Senna-Kubica-DNS-doesn-t-change-anything

    Schumi may remain at Mercedes beyond 2012

    http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7330244/Brawn-not-ruling-out-Schu-for-2013

    Is this Barrichello's final race? Massa urges him to retire at his home event

    http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7327458/Massa-urges-Rubens-to-retire

    Single DRS zone in Brazil

    http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7327387/Single-DRS-zone-in-Brazil

    PDLR planning to stay at HRT for the long haul

    http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7327147/De-la-Rosa-I-m-in-for-the-long-haul

    Brazilian race preview

    http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/11/new-tyres-safety-cars-and-rain-set-scene-for-brazil-gp-finale/

     


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    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7330968/Ricciardo-living-for-the-moment-
     


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    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    Practice lap times

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/results/9418136.stm

    Andrew Benson on Friday Practice

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/15892192.stm

    Hamilton on his 'year of growth'

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/15878975.stm

     


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    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    Are we going to see the finger on Sunday for the last time this season, I think so.


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    throt

    "I didn't do it"


    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    throt:

    Fyi, even though your probably not interested , I am in the the lead of this F1 prediction game= http://www.f1pg.com/ . My username is throttlethrasher. I am set up to win a nice new PS3 blush, it really should be in the bag  . Some of you guy's should give it a try next season and see if you can keep up with my expertise F1 knowledge. indecision.

    Hey..well done Keith.. Smiley

    I'll be entering this one next season... if I remember that is..!  Smiley

     


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    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    John H:
    throt:

    Fyi, even though your probably not interested , I am in the the lead of this F1 prediction game= http://www.f1pg.com/ . My username is throttlethrasher. I am set up to win a nice new PS3 blush, it really should be in the bag  . Some of you guy's should give it a try next season and see if you can keep up with my expertise F1 knowledge. indecision.

    Hey..well done Keith.. Smiley

    I'll be entering this one next season... if I remember that is..!  Smiley

     

    Smiley, yes, try and remember..

    Have a lovely weekend, John...


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    throt

    "I didn't do it"


    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    Bad luck for Vettel having to shortshift every gear change .... a great drive from Webber to capitalise on the situation.

    Bad luck for Hamilton but great drives from Button and Alonso :)

    And another F1 season comes to an end ....

    Vettel and RBR were worthy champions ...  RBR developed the stand-out car but Vettel made the most of it ... Webber couldn't. 15 pole positions and 11 race wins out of 19 races is just utter domination from Vettel. 

    How to cope with the wait till March? :(


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    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    Was Vettel' s gear problem for real, or did they just want to make gift to Webber smiley


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    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    No way Vettel would have given away a win.  You could see his disappointment in the post-race interviews.  Smiley


    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    Great drive from Webber, for sure. And it shows the dominance Vettel has had on this season. Even though Webber outdrove Button, Alonso and Hamition, three other world champions, it still feels like he only won because Vettel lost.

    A legend is born this season, I think.


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    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    You know a guy is good when he can beat 95% of the field while two of his gears aren't working and he's left to short shift 2nd and 3rd, two of the most important acceleration gears  


    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    I remember watching Vettel race a few years ago, when he was still with Toro Rosso, and thinking that we were witnessing the birth of an exceptional talent.  I think he has the potential to become one of the all-time greats.

    Having said that, I hope that some of the other teams (esp. McLaren and Ferrari, but also MB) produce more competitive cars for the 2012 season, so that Vettel has to fight for every win.


    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    In spite of his gearbox trouble Vettel managed to finish 2nd, behind his team mate only!

    It reminds me of Schumacher with Benetton, when he won a race in front of Damon Hill although he had the use of fifth gear only, during most of the race. Hill was so devastated that the following week he was made by his race engineer to complete many test laps in 5fth gear to prove himself  that he could have done too

    In F1 (almost) all are very good drivers, but exceptional talents are few and far between.


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    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    Great review here on drivers abilities during the season.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/formula_one/15926791.stm


    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    I enjoyed reading this. Thank you!

    I keep this reference to Vettel:

    "He has a very powerful array of assets but perhaps the most potent of all is his raw intelligence; a hungry mind and a sharp one."


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    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    Fascinating analysis from the BBC's Mark Hughes on how each driver has coped with the Pirelli tyres this season. Thanks for posting.

    Jake Humphrey's end of season blog

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jakehumphrey/2011/11/jake_humphreys_2011_season_rev.html

    Andrew Benson's blog

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2011/11/webber_wins_but_vettel_is_stil.html

    Martin Brundle's view

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/15931476.stm

    Coming 10th earns Team Lotus (Caterham F1 next year) US$30m

    http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7337678/Fernandes-I-am-overjoyed

     


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    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    Vettel overtook Vergne under yellow flags...

    Let's see what it happens in the following days as Ferrari have until Friday to complain about it...

    With the classic 20 seconds penalty the title would be for Alonso.

    http://www.totalf1.com/details/view/437555/Vettel_overtook_Vergne_under_yellow_flags/#.ULW_n-Sql4o

     

     


    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    If Alonso needed to win the title in the chambers instead of on the track, then for me he would have been a very hollow champion.

    I used to like him when he was racing for McLaren but after his recent statements about his opponent he has been relegated to my list of dubious characters.

    IMO Ferrari should concentrate more on using their resources on producing a decent car than playing tricks in order to win titles on paper.


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    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    Seen the video. To me the pass is legal. Racing drivers always look ahead. Waaaaayyy ahead. Vettel saw the next light to be green (on the left) so after is passing the yellow sign on the right immediately goes for it. To me the segment of the track where you are not allowed to pass ends with the yellow light on the right.


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    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    It's like in football that the losing team tries to see videos of penalties, off-side goals etc.


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    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    First of all sorry because I posted in 2011 thread accidentally. Secondly, this is not football, this is F1, so ilegal movements/actions are studied after the race and afterwards punished if applies.

    This overtaking is ilegal since there is still a yellow flag on his wheel showing that they are in a non-overtaking allowed zone. In F1 rules says that you need to surpass the green light to overtake, so it seems clear to me.

    Additionally sounds weird that even the race finished with SC, the car behind SV, a toro rosso, finished with 19,4 gap... what a coincidence.

     

     


    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    Not to mention Kobayashi was pitting anyway and if it was an illegal pass and Kob stayed on track away from the pits he would have been radio to give the position back anyway.

    If Ferrari questioned it and come up trumps giving the championship to Alonso it would not be a credible championship, thats for sure..


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    throt

    "I didn't do it"


    Re: 2011 Brazilian F1 Grand Prix at Interlagos, Sao Paulo Thread Closed

    Sorry throt but we are not talking about kobayashi overtaking, we are talkind about a new one arised to Vergne.

    If there is something illegal in that movement I dont see the point in saying that this championship would not be a credible championship since this is just the 20th race on the calendar.

     


     
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