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    Re: Ferrari 812 Superfast

    wantone:

    3 years?

    Wishful thinking I'm afraid, as the cheapest 2013 F12's are only at the 150k GBP mark currently?


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    Re: Ferrari 812 Superfast

    wantone:

    3 years?

    Smiley


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    There is a F12 here in Bavaria, 6 years old, 24k km for 160k EUR. No accident.

    Many other cars in similar condition cost around 170-190k EUR.

     


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    UK market could be cheaper. Question for the experts in 812s? How much the depreciation could be in 3-5 years since 1st registration and if the % drop in value is based on the base price of the new car or the base price plus options. For example the 812 demo had 100k GBP in options.


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    wantone:

    UK market could be cheaper. Question for the experts in 812s? How much the depreciation could be in 3-5 years since 1st registration and if the % drop in value is based on the base price of the new car or the base price plus options. For example the 812 demo had 100k GBP in options.

    50%

     


    Re: Ferrari 812 Superfast

    for half the price a great car - but again all of them are KM sensitive - if you rack a lot of miles nobody will ever buy it again - you have to keep it


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    I would never buy a used car with more than 20k km. Actually make it 10k km. 

    I don't know how reliable the F12 is but it certainly is an attractive product from Ferrari and if I had to choose between a 911 Carrera S and a used F12 for similar money, I think I know what I'd do.

    How is maintenance cost btw.? My Huracan Performante is around 1600 EUR for the first small service and 3400 EUR for the second big one, which is acceptable in my opinion. Make it double for the Aventador as far as I heard, so I guess the F12 isn't far behind.


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    RC:

    I would never buy a used car with more than 20k km. Actually make it 10k km. 

    2 years and 20k km. That is the sweet spot. Those cars are still like "new" and have at least 2 years factory warranty, but have depreciated 50%. Great value for money.

     


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    RC:

    How is maintenance cost btw.? My Huracan Performante is around 1600 EUR for the first small service and 3400 EUR for the second big one, which is acceptable in my opinion. Make it double for the Aventador as far as I heard, so I guess the F12 isn't far behind.

    Ferrari has 7 years no service costs


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    BjoernB:
    RC:

    How is maintenance cost btw.? My Huracan Performante is around 1600 EUR for the first small service and 3400 EUR for the second big one, which is acceptable in my opinion. Make it double for the Aventador as far as I heard, so I guess the F12 isn't far behind.

    Ferrari has 7 years no service costs

    Nothing at all, not even for liquids (oil, brake fluid, etc.), brake pads/discs or tires? Smiley


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    bluelines:
    RC:

    I would never buy a used car with more than 20k km. Actually make it 10k km. 

    2 years and 20k km. That is the sweet spot. Those cars are still like "new" and have at least 2 years factory warranty, but have depreciated 50%. Great value for money.

     

    Agreed. I am just always afraid with how the previous owner treated the car. This is why I wanted to get a new Lambo instead of a slightly used one (could have saved at least 20k).

    Probably another reason I usually don't buy cars and leasing a used car makes no sense financially (lease deals are usually better for new cars than for used ones, as weird as this may sometimes sound).


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    RC:
     

    Nothing at all, not even for liquids (oil, brake fluid, etc.), brake pads/discs or tires? Smiley

    only tires. the rest is taken care of.


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    the-missile:
    RC:
     

    Nothing at all, not even for liquids (oil, brake fluid, etc.), brake pads/discs or tires? Smiley

    only tires. the rest is taken care of.

    At the sky high price of €300.000 plus some exorbitant options, Ferrari can appear to offer value for an initial period knowing that the majority of these cars are not driven much anyway Smiley

    And what happens after the first 7 years either for the original owner or for any daring used buyer? Probably kept in a garage for the fear of crippling costs.


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    reginos:

    And what happens after the first 7 years either for the original owner or for any daring used buyer? Probably kept in a garage for the fear of crippling costs.

    No, kept in a garage because every Ferrari is a collector car, and will be worth multiples of your purchase price in... some number of years.  Smiley


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    In the past you had to be "somebody" to drive cars in that category. Nowadays, everyone who had made a few quid wants to show off by driving a Ferrari or similar, something that he he cannot really afford. Thus the car is kept practically undriven for the fear of depreciation awaiting the great appreciation of value of his imaginary museum piece.

    If an automobile is viewed as a commodity for profit there far better things to invest your money in.


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    Re: Ferrari 812 Superfast

    reginos:

    In the past you had to be "somebody" to drive cars in that category. Nowadays, everyone who had made a few quid wants to show off by driving a Ferrari or similar, something that he he cannot really afford. Thus the car is kept practically undriven for the fear of depreciation awaiting the great appreciation of value of his imaginary museum piece.

    If an automobile is viewed as a commodity for profit there far better things to invest your money in.


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    You are right. And what is funny: even if a 812 is not driven its value will drop like a stone (all 12 cylinder Ferraris show the same pattern) Smiley


    Re: Ferrari 812 Superfast

    free money economy....COVID-19 is about to correct this.angry


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    Re: Ferrari 812 Superfast

    The Ferrari Omologata is a one-off, rebodied 812 Superfast

    The Omologata then, commissioned by a “discerning European client” and completed in two years, had much to express.

     


    Re: Ferrari 812 Superfast

    very nice


    Re: Ferrari 812 Superfast

    It alludes to the 250 GTO of the early 1960s.

    An example of the 250GTO was sold for $48.4 million at an auction last week in California (where else ).


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    Re: Ferrari 812 Superfast

    Damn that looks good.


    Re: Ferrari 812 Superfast

    Sex on wheels! Love it 


    Re: Ferrari 812 Superfast

    Beauty of the Ferrari/Client relationship. They truly value their best customers. Others are still miles behind. If a client wants a 'one off' car, for a price Ferrari will build it.

    Aston is close in that regards. Porsche was part of that special group before, now a firm no. it used to be the Exclusive department is the special wish department, nothing is too much to ask for. Guess now Porsche is too big to do those things. Can't be bothered with.mail


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    Whoopsy:

    Beauty of the Ferrari/Client relationship. They truly value their best customers. Others are still miles behind. If a client wants a 'one off' car, for a price Ferrari will build it.

    Aston is close in that regards. Porsche was part of that special group before, now a firm no. it used to be the Exclusive department is the special wish department, nothing is too much to ask for. Guess now Porsche is too big to do those things. Can't be bothered with.mail

    My understanding is that the one off program is now closed to new requests - another Marchionne victim. His legacy lives on though as it fleeces the best clients and those aspiring to reach the top through the Icona line.


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    crayphile:
    Whoopsy:

    Beauty of the Ferrari/Client relationship. They truly value their best customers. Others are still miles behind. If a client wants a 'one off' car, for a price Ferrari will build it.

    Aston is close in that regards. Porsche was part of that special group before, now a firm no. it used to be the Exclusive department is the special wish department, nothing is too much to ask for. Guess now Porsche is too big to do those things. Can't be bothered with.mail

    My understanding is that the one off program is now closed to new requests - another Marchionne victim. His legacy lives on though as it fleeces the best clients and those aspiring to reach the top through the Icona line.

     

    If someone have say a 250 sitting in a air-conditioned garage somewhere, I am pretty sure Ferrari doesn't say noSmiley


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    Re: Ferrari 812 Superfast

    Whoopsy:
    If someone have say a 250 sitting in a air-conditioned garage somewhere, I am pretty sure Ferrari doesn't say noSmiley

    Okay I will go and have a look Smiley Smiley.


    Re: Ferrari 812 Superfast

    *ucking awesome. Why oh why are the best designs only one offs yes


    Re: Ferrari 812 Superfast

    Gorgeous


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    Re: Ferrari 812 Superfast

    Beautiful homage to the 250GTO


    Re: Ferrari 812 Superfast

    Looks like a kit car to me. A piece of styling from several models. It looks discombobulated and silly. I’m surprised Ferrari built this Frankenstein.


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