Crown

Board: Porsche - Macan Language: English Region: Worldwide Share/Save/Bookmark Close

Forum - Thread


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    Why would you need to study that data? There's a voice giving you the instructions and in many models there's a HUD which shows the directions as well. In my M4, I never look at the central display when I use navigation while driving. yes


    --

    Suzy


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    I have not used in car navigation for months since Waze was introduced... Waze saves me almost an hour a week...


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    GLC.jpg


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    apias:
    SuzyF:
    apias:
    RC:
     

    The Audi way is the wrong way, if you mean this one:

    audi-tt-display-tacho-armaturen-ces.jpg

    Worst design ever. I predict that drivers in these cars will have a higher accident rate than others. Looking down through the steering wheel at complex information takes both your central and peripheral vision off the road for too long, whereas looking over to the center does not. They haven't thought this through at all.

    That's what HUDs are for... Smiley

    I got to drive our friends' new TT last week and I got used to it within 5 minutes. I absolutely love it! It's not any more distracting than a normal dash and I actually prefer it over a normal dash. I'm a huge fan of this.

    Were you using the map software to Navigate? This is one of the areas I think people will run into trouble. This is a place for analogue gauges that you can understand instantly without (your brain) having to interpret. Not a place for data you need to study.

    Who will need analogue instruments to look at while driving? The only thing I look at is the digital speedometer and the analogue speedometer is not used in my view. Agree to that the Audi solution is one of the best and the big plus with virtual cockpit is that everyone can configure it according to preferences. If you don't want the map in there you can have big analogue (digital) displays in hi-res that looks very modern.

    As mentioned, the A/Q-series will have the dual screen solution which is the best of both worlds. Compemented with a HUD it is very good. Most important stuff in the HUD, google earth naviscreen in the drivers view and entertainment mode in the screen between the front seats.

    2016-audi-q7-cockpit.jpg2015-Detroit-2016-Audi-Q7-12.jpg


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    The new model is a huge improvement in looks over the previous GLK, which must have been a very easy task.

    It will be an alternative to the X3 the Q5 and some Japanese SUVs but I don't think it will ruffle the Macan at all.

    A good additional model for Mercedes buyers.


    --

    "Form follows function"


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    Now if they clean up the design of the GL I might consider it... For large 7 seater it's that or an Escalade...


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    First models are 4cyl only and they are aimed to mostly X3 buyers.

    But, when 450 AMG and specially 63/63S AMG models appear next year many will have tough time to justify Macan Turbo price since GLC AMG models will be cheaper and in 63 models case a lot faster.


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    Again nothing new. ML63AMG and X5M vs Cayenne turbo...


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    Oh, something new... GLC 63S AMG with 4.0L 510ps V8 against Macan Turbo with 400ps V6.


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    Is that reliable info? That seems like a lot of HP for that segment...


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    KresoF1:

    Oh, something new... GLC 63S AMG with 4.0L 510ps V8 against Macan Turbo with 400ps V6.

    This is simply another class!

    I really like this GLC.... looks beautiful, especially interior is nice. Let's hope for the AMG. 


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    SciFrog:

    Is that reliable info? That seems like a lot of HP for that segment...

    Sounds quite credible, since there's a 360hp AMG version of the smaller GLA in the same segment, the GLA 45 AMG 4Matic. The engine is just a turbocharged in-line 4 cylinder. 


    --

    fritz


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    fritz:
    SciFrog:

    Is that reliable info? That seems like a lot of HP for that segment...

    Sounds quite credible, since there's a 360hp AMG version of the smaller GLA in the same segment, the GLA 45 AMG 4Matic. The engine is just a turbocharged in-line 4 cylinder. 

    But this is a C-Class not an A-Class!


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    Lars997:
    fritz:
    SciFrog:

    Is that reliable info? That seems like a lot of HP for that segment...

    Sounds quite credible, since there's a 360hp AMG version of the smaller GLA in the same segment, the GLA 45 AMG 4Matic. The engine is just a turbocharged in-line 4 cylinder. 

    But this is a C-Class not an A-Class!

    That is my point.  Smiley  
    If M-B will put a 360hp engine in a smaller, lighter, cheaper A-Class GL-range car, then it is entirely credible that it will stretch to a 510hp engine for the C-Class GL-range model.   


    --

    fritz


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    Lars997:

    GLC.jpg

    Ha - good catch Lars!!  I will be the outlier here and call the GLC a boring and safe design.  The GLK had a very distinctive design, yes a bit boxy but not ashamed of it, that was very successful at least in most areas I visit.  I know 3 women and a man who own one - they all love its looks.  This looks like a station wagon, and this could spell trouble in the US where they hate station wagons - but perhaps more success in the EU where people hate SUVs.  


    --

    2011 Range Rover Sport S/C,  2009 Porsche 911S


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    fritz:
    Lars997:
    fritz:
    SciFrog:

    Is that reliable info? That seems like a lot of HP for that segment...

    Sounds quite credible, since there's a 360hp AMG version of the smaller GLA in the same segment, the GLA 45 AMG 4Matic. The engine is just a turbocharged in-line 4 cylinder.

    But this is a C-Class not an A-Class!

    That is my point.  Smiley  
    If M-B will put a 360hp engine in a smaller, lighter, cheaper A-Class GL-range car, then it is entirely credible that it will stretch to a 510hp engine for the C-Class GL-range model.  

    It's already confirmed - but the way I read it with the non S only - so around 476 PS.... - but torque surely will be around 650-700 NM which will be a lot of fun for a GLC


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    4trac:
    Lars997:

     

    Ha - good catch Lars!!  I will be the outlier here and call the GLC a boring and safe design.  The GLK had a very distinctive design, yes a bit boxy but not ashamed of it, that was very successful at least in most areas I visit.  I know 3 women and a man who own one - they all love its looks.  This looks like a station wagon, and this could spell trouble in the US where they hate station wagons - but perhaps more success in the EU where people hate SUVs.  

    But as it looks like a Mini-Q7, people might like it. AFAIK the Q7 is pretty much successful in the US?


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    SUV comes down to interior IMO. You could swap the lights on any SUV and re-badge it whatever you want, and it would be believable. There is only so much to do with normal SUV design.

    That said, I think this Mercedes SUV looks nice on the inside. Really like that satin brown color as well.


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    SuzyF:

    Why would you need to study that data? There's a voice giving you the instructions and in many models there's a HUD which shows the directions as well. In my M4, I never look at the central display when I use navigation while driving. yes

    We borrowed a 3 series last year for a few days that had the HUD when we thought we were going to buy a 335d touring - BMW's HUD is an amazing piece of kit with all the info you need in your line of sight. Smiley Porsche seem traditionally slow in offering this kind of technology Smiley


    --

     

    Porsche Boxster GTS Carrara white / Skoda Octavia Mk.3 daily drive

     


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    A HUD is fine, just down through the steering wheel is a bad place because you don't have good peripheral vision up and down, compared to the sides. You might end up studying the map because you want to see what's ahead, rather than just blindly waiting for the instructions. This is why analogue dials are better there. You don't have to interpret the information, you just understand it at a quick glance, whereas, numbers, words, maps, etc, your have to actually look at longer to comprehend.


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    I have HUD since at least 12-15 years in my BMWs and today even in the Mini. The system evolved amazingly. I never had problem that the steering is in the way. For me positioning was always perfect!

    I agree dreamcar - for my father was the HUD also the reason not to buy an Cayenne and he recently ordered an X5M instead. Already 3 years ago he wanted to get a Cayenne but also there - it was the X5M. 

    Since Porsche belongs now to VW - I hoped to see more innovations, but apparently it still takes way to long. It feels that a VW Passat or even a Golf can be equiped with many more innovations than a Cayenne. And looking towards Audi they are today on eye level with BMW - also having online-assistants, etc. Porsche is light years behind! That's why I always said - for a sports car it is ok, but for a luxury sedan it misses way to many innovations.


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    Lars997:

    I have HUD since at least 12-15 years in my BMWs and today even in the Mini. The system evolved amazingly. I never had problem that the steering is in the way. For me positioning was always perfect!

    I agree dreamcar - for my father was the HUD also the reason not to buy an Cayenne and he recently ordered an X5M instead. Already 3 years ago he wanted to get a Cayenne but also there - it was the X5M. 

    Since Porsche belongs now to VW - I hoped to see more innovations, but apparently it still takes way to long. It feels that a VW Passat or even a Golf can be equiped with many more innovations than a Cayenne. And looking towards Audi they are today on eye level with BMW - also having online-assistants, etc. Porsche is light years behind! That's why I always said - for a sports car it is ok, but for a luxury sedan it misses way to many innovations.

    I'd say that Porsche is more inclined to expend its resources on innovations in the fields of drive train and chassis development, instead of gadgets and gizmos. This does result in the products falling behind the state-of-the-art where in-car entertainment, SatNavs, etc, are concerned.


    --

    fritz


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    Lars997:

    I have HUD since at least 12-15 years in my BMWs and today even in the Mini. The system evolved amazingly. I never had problem that the steering is in the way. For me positioning was always perfect!

    That's because it's HUD. The Audi system is HDD.


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    apias:
    Lars997:

    I have HUD since at least 12-15 years in my BMWs and today even in the Mini. The system evolved amazingly. I never had problem that the steering is in the way. For me positioning was always perfect!

    That's because it's HUD. The Audi system is HDD.

    Smiley Smiley love your humor!

    Technically Audi's system is more HU&DD though... Smiley


    --

     

    Suzy

     


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    I believe the industry term is "Bobblehead Display". blush


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    Not a fan of HUD, I consider it to be rather a distraction than an asset. Only exception: Night vision HUDs which allow to see obstacles/persons in complete darkness but to be blunt, I don't have much experience with such systems.

    Never forget that even a fraction of a second distraction can lead to a fatal situation, so no, no HUD for me.


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    RC:

    Not a fan of HUD, I consider it to be rather a distraction than an asset. Only exception: Night vision HUDs which allow to see obstacles/persons in complete darkness but to be blunt, I don't have much experience with such systems.

    Never forget that even a fraction of a second distraction can lead to a fatal situation, so no, no HUD for me.

    So different opinions can be. 

    I had the night vision in the Bimmer and to me it was useless. You don't watch the screen in the night. 

    But - HUD, I will always prefer the car with the HUD, less distractive. The eye doesn't have to focus that much between instruments and street. And together with the people-warning-assistant, it is right in the middle of the HUD - so now I really see some dangerous situations, while the night vision had it down in the instrument cluster. 

    in other words - I even think HUD is a must for modern cars!


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    Lars997:
    in other words - I even think HUD is a must for modern cars!

    no doubt the EU will make it mandatory soon ...


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    sfo:
    Lars997:
    in other words - I even think HUD is a must for modern cars!

    no doubt the EU will make it mandatory soon ...

    Smiley I doubt it.


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: Porsche Macan vs. Mercedes-Benz GLC

    Lars997:
    RC:

    Not a fan of HUD, I consider it to be rather a distraction than an asset. Only exception: Night vision HUDs which allow to see obstacles/persons in complete darkness but to be blunt, I don't have much experience with such systems.

    Never forget that even a fraction of a second distraction can lead to a fatal situation, so no, no HUD for me.

    So different opinions can be. 

    I had the night vision in the Bimmer and to me it was useless. You don't watch the screen in the night. 

    But - HUD, I will always prefer the car with the HUD, less distractive. The eye doesn't have to focus that much between instruments and street. And together with the people-warning-assistant, it is right in the middle of the HUD - so now I really see some dangerous situations, while the night vision had it down in the instrument cluster. 

    in other words - I even think HUD is a must for modern cars!

    Smiley +1 Should be mandatory in EVERY car....


    --

    Suzy


     
    Edit

    Forum

    Board Subject Last post Rating Views Replies
    Porsche Sticky SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA (Part I) Thread Closed 9/24/20 12:47 AM
    watt
    576607 2849
    Porsche Sticky The moment I've been waiting for... 12/30/20 9:03 AM
    rhino
     
     
     
     
     
    356559 1279
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020) 4/10/21 2:32 PM
    Joost
    85845 1085
    Porsche Sticky Welcome to Rennteam: Cars and Coffee... (photos) 4/4/21 8:01 AM
    bluelines
    43235 328
    Porsche Sticky ROAD TEST: New 992 Carrera 4S 3/3/21 10:57 PM
    Wonderbar
    35033 336
    Porsche Sticky Porsche Taycan Turbo S - Short Review 10/19/20 6:12 PM
    Leawood911
    32658 380
    Porsche Sticky SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA (Part II) 4/14/21 2:39 PM
    watt
    14850 299
    Porsche Sticky Porsche extends the Taycan model range (Taycan 2WD) 2/1/21 12:42 PM
    Leawood911
    4101 29
    Porsche OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017) 7/27/20 2:13 AM
    DJM48
    560804 5257
    Porsche OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S 4/20/20 8:24 AM
    schmoell
    533295 4260
    Porsche Cayman GT4 4/13/21 10:04 AM
    996FourEss
    400744 3585
    McLaren McLaren on a winning streak 4/13/21 8:01 AM
    BjoernB
    355259 3915
    Porsche OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017) 12/27/20 4:06 PM
    Topspeed
    352162 3486
    Porsche OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018) 11/5/20 9:55 PM
    DaveGordon
    312330 3242
    Porsche OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016) 12/8/20 7:51 PM
    DJM48
    309529 2646
    Porsche OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car 2/28/21 8:05 PM
    Topspeed
    215159 1542
    Porsche Tesla Roadster 9/23/20 8:22 PM
    bluelines
    182226 4279
    Porsche OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016) 2/11/21 9:22 AM
    Itsme
    160234 1379
    Others Alfa Romeo 4C 9/23/20 10:22 AM
    RCA
    137937 792
    Porsche 992 GT3 4/14/21 9:14 PM
    Boxster Coupe GTS
    108355 2034
    Lambo Lamborghini Huracan and variants 4/9/21 4:32 PM
    Topspeed
    105260 1225
    McLaren F1 2/25/21 11:33 AM
    RCA
    76984 207
    Porsche Welcome to the new Taycan Forum! 3/15/21 7:26 PM
    Enmanuel
    69382 1151
    AMG AMG GT R 11/19/20 11:47 PM
    Topspeed
    64453 819
    Lambo Aventador and SV 3/15/21 3:59 PM
    Topspeed
    63312 679
    Porsche 991 Speedster 9/3/20 4:29 PM
    Topspeed
    56272 878
    Porsche Nürburgring - Tesla vs. Taycan 11/23/20 6:10 PM
    Topspeed
    42884 596
    Others Bugatti Chiron 4/12/21 3:42 PM
    RCA
    36279 476
    Porsche Olive 991.2 GT3 Clubsport 1/1/21 7:58 PM
    throt
    33512 615
    BMW M BMW M2 Rumors 3/21/21 5:01 PM
    Topspeed
    28530 385
    271 items found, displaying 1 to 30.