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    Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

    Apparently, our 911 (and Boxster/Cayman) aren't really safe (anymore) from car thieves. 

    https://www.usenix.org/sites/default/files/sec15_supplement.pdf

    If this gets out (and it will soon...), say good-bye to your vehicle security.

    I am pretty sure there will be some interesting reports soon in the press.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

    This was in the news in the netherlands last week. The university/workgroup that researched thus informed the manufacturers in advance. Rather than thanking them and taking action, they filed a lawsuit against the university...
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    Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

    Hopefully, this and other recent reports will wake up the auto industry to ditch their pseudo-security and get serious about it.


    Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

    Do I go to Germany or Spain to pick up the 911 GTS that I couldn't justify paying cash for? Do I want black cabrio or red coupe? Smiley


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    Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

    This article offers an easier read of the same information Smiley:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-14/vw-has-spent-two-years-trying-to-hide-a-big-security-flaw


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    Panic, panic! run.gif


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    Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

    dreamcar:

    Do I go to Germany or Spain to pick up the 911 GTS that I couldn't justify paying cash for? Do I want black cabrio or red coupe? Smiley


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    Smiley  Smiley


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    Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

    Apparently this should help:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgcs_KjwbJE

     


    Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

    There will come a day when everything is connected to the web and when deviant people can blow up cars or planes , burn down homes, explode biomechanical monitoring or therapeutic  devices of all types  implanted or attched  in our bodies , etc., etc., - either individually or en masse - all of which are first sold and bought eagerly as smart devices to " make our lives easier and healthier " . 


    Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

    MKW:

    There will come a day when everything is connected to the web and when deviant people can blow up cars or planes , burn down homes, explode biomechanical monitoring or therapeutic  devices of all types  implanted or attched  in our bodies , etc., etc., - either individually or en masse - all of which are first sold and bought eagerly as smart devices to " make our lives easier and healthier " . 

    Yup!  It's already here.  Just ask the Iranian centrifuge guys about Stuxnet Smiley


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    W8MM:
    MKW:

    There will come a day when everything is connected to the web and when deviant people can blow up cars or planes , burn down homes, explode biomechanical monitoring or therapeutic  devices of all types  implanted or attched  in our bodies , etc., etc., - either individually or en masse - all of which are first sold and bought eagerly as smart devices to " make our lives easier and healthier " . 

    Yup!  It's already here.  Just ask the Iranian centrifuge guys about Stuxnet Smiley

    Or the recent story of a company that makes IV medication / fluid infusion pumps used widely in hospitals that recalled them after it was shown that hackers  could remotely access scores of them at one time and command the units to shut off or " flood " the patients heart and lungs ...the.latter with almost immediate " silent " REALLY bad consequences

    OTOH, it would be really " convenient " if a device were installed in a vehicle that overwrites a radar or lidar detector readout with a number that is the GPS determined speed limit of any road traveled !! 

    Smiley


    Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

    Joost:
    This was in the news in the netherlands last week. The university/workgroup that researched thus informed the manufacturers in advance. Rather than thanking them and taking action, they filed a lawsuit against the university...

    Yes, they filed a lawsuit to prevent the publication of the method but as you can see...the .pdf is out and all the information. There is even an exploit (incl. hardware) available now using this method.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

    bluelines:

    Panic, panic! run.gif

    The exploit is already available, incl. hardware. It has been shown at DefCon in Las Vegas.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


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    I thought the authors claimed there was one key sentence redacted from the paper, without which, duplicating the exploit was exponentially more difficult. Of course, the fault here lies not with the researchers who published this but with the car companies who were using 96-bit encryption! No one (except auto makers, apparently) uses 96-bit encryption these days, and hasn't for years. Even 1024-bit encryption is now considered weak, but would make a quasi-brute force attack like this considerably more difficult. 


    Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

    Have you seen charlie sheen steal porsches in 1987 film no mans land

    https://youtu.be/1BXOvU9ZucY

    heres a funny spoof remake

    https://youtu.be/Ax6X1KspQO0

    Clifford ''too tough''


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    I just noticed how long i've been on here for, nearly 5 years Smiley i'm stuck in a time warp, can't believe it's been that long, 5 years later and still no porsche Smiley

     


    Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

    911digital:

    Have you seen charlie sheen steal porsches in 1987 film no mans land

    https://youtu.be/1BXOvU9ZucY

    heres a funny spoof remake

    https://youtu.be/Ax6X1KspQO0

    Clifford ''too tough''


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    I just noticed how long i've been on here for, nearly 5 years Smiley i'm stuck in a time warp, can't believe it's been that long, 5 years later and still no porsche Smiley

     

    It seems you need to do something about it. Smiley 


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    Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

    heart ... I was waiting for "THE MOMENT" - but never came. Why would you re-do it in such a boring way yes


    Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

    911digital:

    Have you seen charlie sheen steal porsches in 1987 film no mans land

    https://youtu.be/1BXOvU9ZucY

    heres a funny spoof remake

    https://youtu.be/Ax6X1KspQO0

    Clifford ''too tough''


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    I just noticed how long i've been on here for, nearly 5 years Smiley i'm stuck in a time warp, can't believe it's been that long, 5 years later and still no porsche Smiley

    2015 minus 2005 = 10 years!  heartsmiley

     


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    Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

    John H:
    911digital:

    Have you seen charlie sheen steal porsches in 1987 film no mans land

    https://youtu.be/1BXOvU9ZucY

    heres a funny spoof remake

    https://youtu.be/Ax6X1KspQO0

    Clifford ''too tough''


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    I just noticed how long i've been on here for, nearly 5 years Smiley i'm stuck in a time warp, can't believe it's been that long, 5 years later and still no porsche Smiley

    2015 minus 2005 = 10 years!  heartsmiley

    Maybe this is why he doesn't have a Porsche yet? Smiley SmileySmiley

     


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

    RC:
    John H:
    911digital:

    Have you seen charlie sheen steal porsches in 1987 film no mans land

    https://youtu.be/1BXOvU9ZucY

    heres a funny spoof remake

    https://youtu.be/Ax6X1KspQO0

    Clifford ''too tough''


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    I just noticed how long i've been on here for, nearly 5 years Smiley i'm stuck in a time warp, can't believe it's been that long, 5 years later and still no porsche Smiley

    2015 minus 2005 = 10 years!  heartsmiley

    Maybe this is why he doesn't have a Porsche yet? Smiley SmileySmiley

     

    Maybe he has a highly modified DeLorean, if he's stuck in a time warp?   Smiley 


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    Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

     indecision


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