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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Most of the mules seem to be having a recessed rear side window... anybody got information on what that might be for?

    Also, most spyshots, renders, etc seem to be pointing towards this look for the rear lights:
    2019-porsche-911-992-04-2788.jpeg

    But I assume it is more realistic to expect something more in line with the design language of the other models, probably like this:
    porsche_cayenne_02.jpg

    Christian, what do you say?


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Joost:

    Most of the mules seem to be having a recessed rear side window... anybody got information on what that might be for?

    Also, most spyshots, renders, etc seem to be pointing towards this look for the rear lights:
    2019-porsche-911-992-04-2788.jpeg

    But I assume it is more realistic to expect something more in line with the design language of the other models, probably like this:
    porsche_cayenne_02.jpg

    Christian, what do you say?


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    You are very very close... Smiley


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Now if Porsche really wanted to be "retro" they can get rid of the PDK "stick" and follow the lead of the Edsel!

    Edsel.jpg


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    To my shame I had to google what an Edsel was angry but having the PDK controls on the steering wheel would definitely get my vote kiss


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    RC:
    Joost:

    ...
    But I assume it is more realistic to expect something more in line with the design language of the other models, probably like this:
    porsche_cayenne_02.jpg

    Christian, what do you say?

     

    You are very very close... Smiley

    Cool! I always love to play reverse detective on the pictures of the mules that surface.
    I do hope though that the result will be looking better than my very crude photoshop! (Put the current panamera rear light design on the current 991):
    iris-(1).jpg


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Joost:
    RC:
    Joost:

    ...
    But I assume it is more realistic to expect something more in line with the design language of the other models, probably like this:
    porsche_cayenne_02.jpg

    Christian, what do you say?

     

    You are very very close... Smiley

    Cool! I always love to play reverse detective on the pictures of the mules that surface.
    I do hope though that the result will be looking better than my very crude photoshop! (Put the current panamera rear light design on the current 991):
    iris-(1).jpg

    So, is this not the exact look everyone panned in the 718 Boxster??  I heard very few who liked this look... plasticky etc...


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    4trac:
    Joost:
    RC:
    Joost:

    ...
    But I assume it is more realistic to expect something more in line with the design language of the other models, probably like this:
    porsche_cayenne_02.jpg

    Christian, what do you say?

     

    You are very very close... Smiley

    Cool! I always love to play reverse detective on the pictures of the mules that surface.
    I do hope though that the result will be looking better than my very crude photoshop! (Put the current panamera rear light design on the current 991):
    iris-(1).jpg

    So, is this not the exact look everyone panned in the 718 Boxster??  I heard very few who liked this look... plasticky etc...

    Same, I really dislike how it looks on the Boxster and while the Panamera looks much better now, that light cluster/plastic is an eyesore. I much prefer how they did it on the 991.2 4S.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    I hope it will look as closer to this render

    porsche-911-2019-retroa.jpg


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Ooh, that does look quite a bit better! Still not wha I consider "911-style", but at least better than my horrendous photoflop!


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    SportCarGroup:

    I hope it will look as closer to this render

    porsche-911-2019-retroa.jpg

    That looks too aggressive for a 911. If the new elements were a little more subtle it would be a better render, IMO


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    That would be nice. Won't happen like everything I'd like to see on a 911...


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    AMS was quoting that there is no more NA engines in the 992 - including the GT division.....


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    That is a strong statement Smiley and everybody who will read this will basically contribute to inflate the artificial bubble of GT cars as investment. Smiley

    GT3RS.2 will be a drama to get again and let alone the special end of 991 era RSR edition...Smiley

     


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Gauss:

    To my shame I had to google what an Edsel was angry but having the PDK controls on the steering wheel would definitely get my vote kiss

    Don't worry, I learned about Edsel from a US movie a couple of years ago...never heard of Edsel before. Smiley


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Gauss:
    SportCarGroup:

    I hope it will look as closer to this render

    porsche-911-2019-retroa.jpg

    That looks too aggressive for a 911. If the new elements were a little more subtle it would be a better render, IMO

    This is actually a good render of the rear but it is not quite accurate...pretty close though.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    BjoernB:

    AMS was quoting that there is no more NA engines in the 992 - including the GT division.....

    What's the source of AMS ?

    IMHO, It's all said and done by journalists (or dare I say by manufacturers) to push potential customers in showrooms and sell more cars today. Then in a year or so, AMS will just say the opposite. 


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    amazon:
    BjoernB:

    AMS was quoting that there is no more NA engines in the 992 - including the GT division.....

    What's the source of AMS ?

    IMHO, It's all said and done by journalists (or dare I say by manufacturers) to push potential customers in showrooms and sell more cars today. Then in a year or so, AMS will just say the opposite. 

    I think it is possible that 992 GT cars will all be turbocharged, but that they will split off a new branch from the GT tree that is more similar to the GT3 Touring (without the GT3 name next time, perhaps) - NA with choice of manual.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Maybe we see a 48V powered GT3 which electrically spools up the turbo - so no more lag at all and the fact that you have much more torque across the board make just sense to me. 20-30 hp increases do not make that big of a difference anymore on NA cars that are probably necessary - plus Porsche wants to optimize CO2 etc etc

    Anybody who has driven the latest GTS generation has realized how good turbo cars became - just not high revving and good sound anymore but if AMG can do it Porsche surely will find a way


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    Apparently Ferrari does it well too... Isn’t it ironic that Porsche was the one using turbos all along and will be the last one to get it right?


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    BjoernB:

    AMS was quoting that there is no more NA engines in the 992 - including the GT division.....

    Executive board member Michael Steiner is saying in this recent interview, that Porsche has a 3 pillars product strategy. The first pillar includes the traditional combustion engines, such as high revving and emotional natural aspirated and turbo engines, the second includes the plugin hybrid models and the third pillar the electric mobility.

    https://www.golem.de/news/zukunft-des-autos-unsere-elektrofahrzeuge-sollen-typische-porsche-sein-1709-130095.html

    If he's being honest, this means, that Porsche should build NA engines for at least another decade.    


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    It makes sense for Porsche to continue offering NA for the sportscars because on one hand they satisfy the traditional buyers and on the other hand the NA are such a tiny fraction of the total production that doesn't affect their aggregate emissions or fuel consumption. All the big selling SUVs and limousines are turbocharged anyway.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    as much as I like NA engines - and I own 5 GT products - I am seeing the end of it. On top of it you have important markets where you are being taxed above 3000 ccm massively more - hence it all make sense


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    There are always those who don't spare the cost for something they like. And anyway Porsche cannot go over around 4.0-liter in a NA 911/Boxster/Cayman so the cubic capacity will never be enormous.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    No more n/a engines, true...sadly. 

    How could Porsche compete with a McLaren 720S with a n/a engine? Ridiculous. 

    960/Huracan get a V8 Biturbo with at least 650 hp (base engine) and with turbo engines, more powerful variants are easily doable. It was about time.

    A V10 Biturbo would have been interesting as well but with current emissions laws? Not so easy (and probably not worth it).

    In the end, most high performance engines will get turbo engines and/or some sort of hybrid versions.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    RC:

    No more n/a engines, true...sadly.

    Really?  So, nothing like a 911R in the next generation?  Surprising...


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Grant:
    RC:

    No more n/a engines, true...sadly.

    Really?  So, nothing like a 911R in the next generation?  Surprising...

    Right now, it looks that way.

    There could be a 12 cyl. sportscar along the way, maybe a 918 successor with a hybrid but only because the next gen Aventador is supposed to stay with a 12-cyl. I wouldn't be surprised if this engine will also be used for Bentley as well.

    There is so much going on at VW Group right now, I wouldn't be surprised if what I heard recently would be obsolete next week. Smiley Smiley


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    The next Porsche hypercar, aka 918 successor, will be pure electric.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Whoopsy:

    The next Porsche hypercar, aka 918 successor, will be pure electric.

    Finally. No doubt this will be a fantastic car.


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    SciFrog:
    Whoopsy:

    The next Porsche hypercar, aka 918 successor, will be pure electric.

    Finally. No doubt this will be a fantastic car.

    You'll have to carry a lot of "water" to cool the batteries and motors!


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Whoopsy:

    The next Porsche hypercar, aka 918 successor, will be pure electric.

    This is the plan but I think, right now, Porsche is a little bit too focused on ELVs due to VW Group's "new" orientation... Smiley Next Macan generation only electric? I want to see that. Smiley It is way too early for these predictions and Porsche could risk a lot here if it doesn't pan out for them.


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