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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    RC:
    MKSGR:
    Rossi:
    noone1:

    The difference between a fast car and a 720S.

    But the bull sounds so much nicer. Smiley

    What a pity that one can not hear it from the 720s with all the distance between the cars Smiley

    The Huracan had a bad start, from 0-140 kph, it is a car hard to beat for the 720 S. Smiley

    Also, have you heard about that miraculous power loss of the 720S when it is very hot? Smiley Which brings me back to my earlier (conspiracy) theory that McLaren uses all "tricks" in the engineering book to achieve record acceleration numbers (under ideal conditions).

     

    This and BiTiurbo's post are completely new to me.Smiley  Have Ferrari had the same problems?  Or was it just brakes with them? 


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    At my track, I have rarely seen a Viper that didn't dump all of its coolant in the paddock...


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    Total nonsense about miraculous power loss when it's hot for the 720S. The guy from dragtimes is running 10s at 141 mph in Florida with temps showing 100+. He's probably among the most reputable out there when it comes to real world tests and he has no bias whatsoever.

     


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Heat soak is a problem for most turbo cars. High ambient temps may not affect a single run too much but it quckly becomes an issue if you do repeated runs or laps. Just a fact of life.


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    noone1:

    Strangely you're the only one that claims it also.

    I'm the second one... LOL I hear lots of track stories about power losses, especially with turbo charged cars but never heard a similar story about a 991 Turbo S for example. Some car manufacturers put a lot of development work into thermodynamics, others don't. Fact is: There must be a reason why a 570 hp 570S is over 3-5 seconds faster from 0-300 kph than a 991.2 Turbo S but at the same time, on a hot summer day, the 570 S almost can't keep up with a 991.2 Turbo S. Weird? Not really. 


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    RC:
    noone1:

    Strangely you're the only one that claims it also.

    I'm the second one... LOL I hear lots of track stories about power losses, especially with turbo charged cars but never heard a similar story about a 991 Turbo S for example. Some car manufacturers put a lot of development work into thermodynamics, others don't. Fact is: There must be a reason why a 570 hp 570S is over 3-5 seconds faster from 0-300 kph than a 991.2 Turbo S but at the same time, on a hot summer day, the 570 S almost can't keep up with a 991.2 Turbo S. Weird? Not really. 

    Without having tested it my suspicion would be that the McLaren engines have more reserves not less than Porsche's turbo engines. Including the GT2RS even. Porsche is just at the very end of what is possible with these small 6 cylinder engines. The McLaren has a much more scalable engine concept. Looking at the 720s I also feel it hard to imagine that this highly innovative, completely new design should not take best care of thermodynamics. They have a much better basis than Porsche with the 911.

    In summary, based on these logical considerations, my bet would be that the 720s is more durable under extreme situations than the GT2RS. But only time will tell. 


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    It has something to do with thermodynamics, many high performance cars just reduce power (boost pressure, mapping parameters, etc.) to protect the engine but Porsche tries to make the cars run always at 100% (or 99% ), even during extreme driving conditions (extreme heat, extreme air pressure changes, etc.).

    I do not say McLaren is worse in this domain but I think they try to maximize power output in the philosophy that it doesn't really matter if power needs to be reduced under (limited) extreme driving conditions. Each company has a different engineering setup philosophy. To be blunt: I wish Porsche would take a more risky road here, truth is that there are seldom 40°C and excessive heat around in Europe for example, so it wouldn't hurt them to squeeze 30-40 hp more out of their (specific) engines to give people enough power. If the engine needs to reduce power then...so be it. I like the McLaren way a bit more to be honest.


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    One seems a bit louder, but can't say I'd spend $5000 on the sports exhaust. Standard seems fine. Would probably go aftermarket if it was that important.

     

     


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    RC:

    It has something to do with thermodynamics, many high performance cars just reduce power (boost pressure, mapping parameters, etc.) to protect the engine but Porsche tries to make the cars run always at 100% (or 99% ), even during extreme driving conditions (extreme heat, extreme air pressure changes, etc.).

    I do not say McLaren is worse in this domain but I think they try to maximize power output in the philosophy that it doesn't really matter if power needs to be reduced under (limited) extreme driving conditions. Each company has a different engineering setup philosophy. To be blunt: I wish Porsche would take a more risky road here, truth is that there are seldom 40°C and excessive heat around in Europe for example, so it wouldn't hurt them to squeeze 30-40 hp more out of their (specific) engines to give people enough power. If the engine needs to reduce power then...so be it. I like the McLaren way a bit more to be honest.

    I don't expect a Porsche to perform any better under extreme conditions. In contrast it might be true that the Porsche engine is done quicker given its limitations in concept Smiley McLaren might already be leading here as well, who knows. Porsche is limited by concept. McLaren has been building everything for ideal for performance...


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    One is built for consistent performance across most conditions, one is built for a one lap/run wonder.

    I see the results first hand at my track this summer.

    There is only one other car that did more laps than my ClubSport at my track this summer in high heat, my ClubSport is bullet proof, only destroyed 4 sets of Pirelli slicks and the brake pads and brake discs are still the ones that shipped from the factory last Sept. It consumed 1 quart of oil outside of the tires and it has 3000km on the clock.

    That said car is a 991 GT3RS. It goes through 1 sets of Hoosiers R7 every 2 days, and 1 complete set of brake pads every 5. 

    Neither was parked for any reason outside of running out of fuel or driver wanting a rest.


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    So what happens at Pure McLaren events? All the cars just break down and no one has ever said anything?


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Whoopsy:

    One is built for consistent performance across most conditions, one is built for a one lap/run wonder.

    I see the results first hand at my track this summer.

    There is only one other car that did more laps than my ClubSport at my track this summer in high heat, my ClubSport is bullet proof, only destroyed 4 sets of Pirelli slicks and the brake pads and brake discs are still the ones that shipped from the factory last Sept. It consumed 1 quart of oil outside of the tires and it has 3000km on the clock.

    That said car is a 991 GT3RS. It goes through 1 sets of Hoosiers R7 every 2 days, and 1 complete set of brake pads every 5. 

    Neither was parked for any reason outside of running out of fuel or driver wanting a rest.

    Of course, Porsche cars are reliable on track. The above was directed at the discussion about extreme heat and engine performance in these conditions. I.e. the question was: which engine produces more consistent power under such conditions Smiley


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    MKSGR:
     

    Of course, Porsche cars are reliable on track. The above was directed at the discussion about extreme heat and engine performance in these conditions. I.e. the question was: which engine produces more consistent power under such conditions Smiley

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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    MKSGR:
    RC:

    It has something to do with thermodynamics, many high performance cars just reduce power (boost pressure, mapping parameters, etc.) to protect the engine but Porsche tries to make the cars run always at 100% (or 99% ), even during extreme driving conditions (extreme heat, extreme air pressure changes, etc.).

    I do not say McLaren is worse in this domain but I think they try to maximize power output in the philosophy that it doesn't really matter if power needs to be reduced under (limited) extreme driving conditions. Each company has a different engineering setup philosophy. To be blunt: I wish Porsche would take a more risky road here, truth is that there are seldom 40°C and excessive heat around in Europe for example, so it wouldn't hurt them to squeeze 30-40 hp more out of their (specific) engines to give people enough power. If the engine needs to reduce power then...so be it. I like the McLaren way a bit more to be honest.

    I don't expect a Porsche to perform any better under extreme conditions. In contrast it might be true that the Porsche engine is done quicker given its limitations in concept Smiley McLaren might already be leading here as well, who knows. Porsche is limited by concept. McLaren has been building everything for ideal for performance...

    I think Porsche limits themselves without a particular (logical) reason.

    They also try to mix all kind of "features" nobody actually cares about: If I'd care about emissions or whatever, I wouldn't get a sportscar. Smiley Porsche needs to excel in the engineering department and to build a car like the 720S (or even the 650S for that matter). So far, the GT2 RS doesn't impress me at all. Sorry. The 991.2 Turbo S Exclusive Edition even less. I hope they change things with the 992 and especially with the rumored 960. Time to give McLaren and Co. a run for their money but so far, I am not impressed by Porsche engineering and/or products, sorry to say that. Also, if they offer a 960 with 720S performance at 300k, I will switch to McLaren (or whatever other brand with a similar performance/value ratio). Audi seems to have exited the sportscar game, which is sad but it was to be expected.


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    BiTurbo:
    MKSGR:
     

    Of course, Porsche cars are reliable on track. The above was directed at the discussion about extreme heat and engine performance in these conditions. I.e. the question was: which engine produces more consistent power under such conditions Smiley

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    Wrong image perhaps?

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    Smiley


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Knock out! smiley


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Whoopsy:
    BiTurbo:
    MKSGR:
     

    Of course, Porsche cars are reliable on track. The above was directed at the discussion about extreme heat and engine performance in these conditions. I.e. the question was: which engine produces more consistent power under such conditions Smiley

    Smiley

     

    Wrong image perhaps?

    f1-spanish-gp-2017-fernando-alonso-mclaren-mcl32-parks-up-with-engine-troubles.jpg

    Smiley

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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Veyron/918 levels of acceleration in the 1/2 mile. LF and P1 might be a little quicker, not sure what those do offhand.
     

     


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    cannot wait for our testride next week kiss


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Talked to a friend of mine today and he had taken the 720 for a spin. Very fast and actually very comfortable he said. Like a Porsche S in a way he described it. I need to try it myself. But on the other hand,he bought a McLaren this summer, so he might be influenced by that car in his view on any McLaren., since the car he bought was a P1 GTR.....angel

     


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Dragtimes said 60-130 was 5.4 and 100-150 was 5.4s. For reference a 918 was .1s quicker.

     


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    I hear whispers about something bad about the 720s. Anyone know what they are?


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Bad how? 


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Heres where i heard my rumors from. Him and PH.com

    https://youtu.be/uIdug5IkkaQ?t=6m24s


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Probably nothing. People asked him what he meant and he didn't reply. Sounds like nonsense.


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    So many words without substance, I had to turn it off after a minute. mail


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    flippers who think when they get a early Slot can drive free of Charge for the first 5000 km......


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    they probably don't even have the funds to keep the car....


     
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