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    Left foot braking

    It takes time to practise a "disabled" left foot but the few times i did it right, I had the feling that during turn in the weight transfer is smoother cause you can apply throttle without lifting front end.

    Do you think that left foot braking is usefull driving 911s on the limit?

    Any suggestions from old hands?

    Re: Left foot braking

    If you mean overlapping of the the throttle end and brake start (braking with the left foot while the right reamins on the throttle) while coming into the corner so as to cause a smoother trasition between the sudden throttle lift off and brake engangement for a smoother weight transfer on entry then the e-gas will not allow you to left-foot brake as you please because the throttle gets cutt off as soon as you apply the brakes while you are already on the throttle. This is a safety measure. However, if you apply the brakes and then afterwards throttle (while keeping on the brakes) the throttle does not cut off so as to allow you to heel toe for example. So it depends on the order on which you apply which that causes the throttle to cut off or not.

    Re: Left foot braking

    I mean left braking while approaching a turn and then geting gently on the throttle.

    I am using it with front drive and 4WD cars but due to 911's light ftont end i have the feeling that it's better to settle it properly.

    But i'm still trying to figure it out

    Re: Left foot braking

    Are you keeping on the brakes into the turn towards the apex (i.e. trail braking) or just until you have to initiate the corner and turn?

    Here's a twist for you.

    I left foot brake alot. I pass people and just turn on the brake lights with my left foot on the pedal to make it look like I'm really slowing down after I'm in front of them when actually I'm keeping my speed.

    Just so the slow-poke people I passed don't think I'm driving wrecklessly and radio ahead for a cop.

    Re: Here's a twist for you.

    In a 996, E-gas will permit momentary (<0.5s) of combined brake/accelerator activation..thereafter it will cut throttle.

    FWIW - at least one GT3RS owner has posted on the disabling of ths feature.

    Re: Left foot braking

    Quote:
    zoltan said:
    It takes time to practise a "disabled" left foot but the few times i did it right, I had the feling that during turn in the weight transfer is smoother cause you can apply throttle without lifting front end.

    Do you think that left foot braking is usefull driving 911s on the limit?

    Any suggestions from old hands?



    Left foot braking is done by many excellent drivers provided the car allows it. You minimize excessive weight transfer especially with a car like a Porsche (rear weight bias). However I am not sure what the effect of e-gas is on the maneuver.

    Re: Left foot braking

    Quote:
    Carlos from Spain said:
    Are you keeping on the brakes into the turn towards the apex (i.e. trail braking) or just until you have to initiate the corner and turn?



    I 'm on the brakes INTO the the turn towards the apex.

    That's why i'm talking about settling the car

    Re: Left foot braking

    zoltan,

    Do you have a manual or tiptronic?

    Re: Left foot braking

    Ok, thats called specifically trail braking in english not left foot braking, trail braking is carrying the brake into the apex in order to help the rear come around in tighter corners in cars that tend to be nose heavy and want to plow straight in the corner otherwise. Not ideal for a rear weight bias car and rear pivot point car such as the rear engined 911, since the rear tends to come around much easier without the need for trailbraking. Just like lift-off overteer technique.

    I use this in the sportquad in difficult-to-slide corners when I want to powerslide out of the corner by helping the rear to brake loose easier beforehand by carrying the rear brake into the apex.

    Left foot braking I believe refers more to keeping on the throttle for a little longer while you start to apply the brakes before a corner, therefore ovelapping the application of the throttle and brakes causing a smoother transition. F1 cars do this for example since the don't have a clutch pedal and left foot is always on the brake, and with 900HP, 600kg and the drag of a bus, the transitions of when you get off the throttle and start to brake can be a bit unsettleing. Schumacher uses this technique while his teamate Baricelo doesn't. F1 drivers that come from karting in their younger years tend to use this technique more often.

    I use it when I go karting for a diffrent reason, I use it in order to keep the revs up to the maximun around the corner so as to have full power when exiting. The reason is because they are "automatic" karts, so when you lift the throttle for the corner the revs die down and when you get back on the throttle there is less power available until revs start to climb with speed. If you keep maintaining the throttle throughout the corner while using the brake (left foot) to cancel the tranfer of the torque to the rear wheels, you can maintain the throttle and the revs high, and went you exit and take off you let go of the brake.

    Re: Left foot braking

    Quote:
    MAVERICK said:
    zoltan,

    Do you have a manual or tiptronic?



    It's a manual

    Re: Left foot braking

    Quote:
    Carlos from Spain said:
    Ok, thats called specifically trail braking in english not left foot braking, trail braking is carrying the brake into the apex in order to help the rear come around in tighter corners in cars that tend to be nose heavy and want to plow straight in the corner otherwise. Not ideal for a rear weight bias car and rear pivot point car such as the rear engined 911, since the rear tends to come around much easier without the need for trailbraking. Just like lift-off overteer technique.

    I use this in the sportquad in difficult-to-slide corners when I want to powerslide out of the corner by helping the rear to brake loose easier beforehand by carrying the rear brake into the apex.

    Left foot braking I believe refers more to keeping on the throttle for a little longer while you start to apply the brakes before a corner, therefore ovelapping the application of the throttle and brakes causing a smoother transition. F1 cars do this for example since the don't have a clutch pedal and left foot is always on the brake, and with 900HP, 600kg and the drag of a bus, the transitions of when you get off the throttle and start to brake can be a bit unsettleing. Schumacher uses this technique while his teamate Baricelo doesn't. F1 drivers that come from karting in their younger years tend to use this technique more often.

    I use it when I go karting for a diffrent reason, I use it in order to keep the revs up to the maximun around the corner so as to have full power when exiting. The reason is because they are "automatic" karts, so when you lift the throttle for the corner the revs die down and when you get back on the throttle there is less power available until revs start to climb with speed. If you keep maintaining the throttle throughout the corner while using the brake (left foot) to cancel the tranfer of the torque to the rear wheels, you can maintain the throttle and the revs high, and went you exit and take off you let go of the brake.



    O.K. Carlos, saying that "i am on the brakes into the turn towards the apex" i meant trail braking but using left foot while at the same time applying throttle

    You are right about all these cart and F1 infos. You have no other leg for braking on a cart- in the middle there is the steering coloumn.

    It's very useful also with turbocharged fwd or 4wd racing cars with no ALS system (anti lag system).

    But i think the rear end of 997 (especially with 19'') has so much grip that there is no fear of leting loose, except if there is serious provocation.

    So left foot braking towards the turn (and at the same time gentle throtle ,) may be is useful to eliminate understeer, keep the nose down even if your entry speed is little higher than it should be and getting some traction throughout the bend.


    But i'm still working on it...

    I can left foot brake in my Shifter Kart fine

    But when I try it in the car it feels SO UN-Natural for some reason !!!

     
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