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Thank you that was helpful, but now that brings up 2 questions.
Why does BMW and Audi (next RS4 420 hp, 4.2 liter engine) manage to make these amazing engines and put them in cheeper cars. I'm not quite convinced that porsche couldn't do it.Second ?, so is porsche making high quality cars very efficiently(therefore being able make a high profit) or are porsche buyers kinda not getting as much as they should when they buy their car(paying too much for what they get)? I'm referring to the fact that they are the most profitable car company.
Well, I would say it's a little of each. The GT3 motor is far better than any motor built by Audi or BMW. In fact, it's one of the very best (in terms of performance, technology, track-readiness, longevity and reliability) of any car that's ever been built for the street.
And, yes, Porsche is charging too much for some of its products and delivering too little (but if people buy it - then you can't really call it overcharging - that's the markeplace). There are many who think the 997S (if not the other models) should use something similar to the GT3 motor for nearly a $100k car. I think the GT3 motor costs over 4x what the M96/97 motor costs Porsche to build and Porsche is living on its reputation there (and dishonest marketing - an integrated dry sump is just a wet sump) - maximizing profit.
To be fair, I don't think Porsche is alone. Have you seen the prices of BMW's or Mercedes' options? $1,100 for a sunroof?! $2,500 for Keyless Go!!
I also don't get hung up on 'true' dry sump vs. Porsche's current definition. Once upon a time, wasn't a "roadster" a 2 seat car without a top and maybe a tonneau cover for the passenger compartment? Wasn't a "coupe" a 2 door car? There are many companies who describe their convertible models these days as roadsters or "coupes" (new 4 door Benz CLS) but it doesn't seem people are as pissed at those companies as the folks here on these boards are about Porsche's marketing. Why is that?
Why is that??
Roadster, convertible, coupe descriptions are mere semantics issues thats why!
But a dry sump is not!
If the dry sump issue was unimportant, then why would Porsche offer parts for the m97/96 "dry sump" to make it suitable for track use?? Previous Porsche flat six's had an actual dry sump with a remote oil resevoir. Porsche eliminated that to save money. So if you "track" your 986/87/97/97 whatever and the motor caves, guess what? Porsche asks if you had the sump modification kit, if not, u goin down, down, down..
Besides that they have other issues to deal with like, crankshaft,cases,balance shafts,seals,intermediate shafts, yadda yadda, none of wich seem to be a problem on the GT3 or Turbo! Soooooo its kinda obvious why some owners are ticked off!
So, with true German car company executive mindset....I blame it all on the customers!!!!
So you softies wanted a quieter car...meet Herr dual mass flywheel! It robs power and directness, the liquid cooling also makes for a quieter motor with greater frequency for disaster, and the hydraulic motor and sub chassis mounts really spaz out the cars feel. Want more?? Thank you! Get the pampered big spender yellow steering wheel and stitching!
Its the customers who pushed Porsche into offering pimped up Bavarian lexus uber coupes
that were quieter, easier to drive and "gifted" with understeer.
At least Porsche makes the GT3 for sportscar people
Lets hope the "Cayman" wont end up as the darling of the poseur set with optional lavender heated floor mats and atrocious looking color keyed steering wheels. If they do, It's just goping to clog up the bandwidth of Porsche option sites on the internet.
