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    starting stored cars.....

    I was wondering if anyone knows how your ment to run cars which have been sitting for months..

    I know most porsches got get driven in the winter and i was wondering are there any special ways when you fire them back up...

    reason is i know the cams will be dry and obviously they need lubrication but oil only rises when the revs are 3000 rpm and above, and obviously the longer its just run on tickover after first starting it, the tappets may get damaged because of lack of oil....

    i have read race cars like the 962 which can get stored for 9 month or more they take the spark plugs out and squirt oil in the cylinders and then turn the engnine over by hand from a socket on the crankshaft! this frees up stiff pistons which may have rust on them....

    but i'm worried about top end wear, my normal vw golf vr6 sounds tappety on start up if i've not driven it for a day or to.....

    Re: starting stored cars.....

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    911digital said:
    I was wondering if anyone knows how your ment to run cars which have been sitting for months..

    I know most porsches got get driven in the winter and i was wondering are there any special ways when you fire them back up...

    reason is i know the cams will be dry and obviously they need lubrication but oil only rises when the revs are 3000 rpm and above, and obviously the longer its just run on tickover after first starting it, the tappets may get damaged because of lack of oil....

    i have read race cars like the 962 which can get stored for 9 month or more they take the spark plugs out and squirt oil in the cylinders and then turn the engnine over by hand from a socket on the crankshaft! this frees up stiff pistons which may have rust on them....

    but i'm worried about top end wear, my normal vw golf vr6 sounds tappety on start up if i've not driven it for a day or to.....



    The adage is 20 seconds or 20 minutes...meaning, if you HAVE to start the engine, you let is run long enough to warm the oil and eliminate SOME of the condensation, or less than twenty seconds because the start causes more condensation. However, excessive idling is not good either.
    IMHO, I don't start the car at all during storage. Place carpeted runners beneath the tires, move the car every two weeks-by pushing it, have a regulated battery charger on at all times, fill the tank with fresh fuel and stabilyzer, wash the car, and change the oil before storage.
    Eveb consider plugging the exhaust pipes with rags (just remember to remove them, a stickie on the steering wheel will help) so that rodents don't find cheap housing in the mufflers.

    Re: starting stored cars.....

    That is one of the reasons why if i start the car i like to warm it up fully, if i go my mates which a 2 mins up the road i always drive about for 10 mins until the engine is hot because i know condense is harmful to the engine as water and pinston by products combine and produce acids..

    My mates brother who is coming up to 21 has brought a 1981 mk 1 golf gti and now its winter he's not using it much because he says it will rust, and he has waxoyled and undersealed the floorpan.

    trouble is he didnt drive it to work for 2 weeks as he's brought himself a cycle push bike ''racer'' to go to work on..

    and his brother told me over the weekend that the car used quiet alot of oil maybe 250ml in 30 miles although they will be hard miles...

    its an old car and the engine needs to be driven everyday it wont take standing...

    heres a picture of it..



    pretty good for the age but the buld quality isnt like the mk2 golf and it would crumple in a crash, of which i had one recently and that made me think about having a solid car.

    Re: starting stored cars.....

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    911digital said:
    i was wondering are there any special ways when you fire them back up...



    Please ask 69bossnine. He has experience with storage of cars.

    You can also search and/or ask your question to Doug Hillary on Rennlist and some of the members on BITOG (bobistheoilguy.com):

    From what I have read, ten minutes of driving is definitely not enough to bring the engine oil to operating temperature. Unless you have an accurate oil temperature gauge on your car, consensus says 20-30 minutes of driving is needed.

    Also it is recommended to keep the revolutions as low as possible without lugging the engine. Unless it's an emergency, engine revs should not exceed 50% of the revolution range until the engine coolant has reached normal operating temperature or preferably until oil is at operating temperature.

    Doug Hillary said: Lightly load the engine by accelerating in higher gears until the temperatures are correct.

    Re: starting stored cars.....

    On my vw vr6 it has the mfa which includes oil temp, depending on weather in cold weather it takes 9 mins to get to 50 on the display but in summer it takes all of 5 mins..

    on all of my cars i keep revs lows until the engine is hot which is when the guage reads 80 and the coolent it hot..

    cheers guys

    Re: starting stored cars.....

    Quote:
    911digital said:
    On my vw vr6 it has the mfa which includes oil temp, depending on weather in cold weather it takes 9 mins to get to 50 on the display but in summer it takes all of 5 mins..

    on all of my cars i keep revs lows until the engine is hot which is when the guage reads 80 and the coolent it hot..

    cheers guys



    50 degrees Celsius seems too low for normal oil temperature.
    Assuming the gauge is accurate, have you tried driving for 30 minutes to see if the oil temperature increases?

    Even though your VR6 is older, I cannot imagine the engine oil normal operating temp. being significantly different from a 2005. According to this website, normal oil temperature for a 2005 VR6 is a range from 82.2 to 100 degrees Celsius:

    http://www.bahnbrenner.com/media/php/catalog.php?pid=1390&catid=295

    Re: starting stored cars.....

    it normaly runs around 92 - 100 when driving,

    i know the engine isnt fully hot at 50 or within 10 mins of driving but its better to drive until its at least registering on the mfa, than to drive it for 3 mins and then knock it off..

    obviously some parts of the engine will be hot within 10 mins, and therefore i have a better chance of evaporating condense in the oil...

    my mk2 gti, had 211000 miles on the orignal engine, and the engine was still running when i had to scrap it, it was the gearbox which went, plus parts of the chassis were rotton in places....

     
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