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    Re: Porsche Suspends All Sales of New Cars in Europe

    Although kind of cool, unrestricted roads do not make sense in today’s society. You use way more energy ie you pollute more, and it is much more dangerous than driving slower.

    The German industry has a lot to loose in the revolution that has already started. The only reason Tesla is where it is today is because the Germans left that door wide open. It will be very hard and costly to them to close it back.


    Re: Porsche Suspends All Sales of New Cars in Europe

    RC:

    A general speed limit for the Autobahn will come sooner than many of us here in Germany may expect.

    The reason is simple: Til now, major car manufacturers like VW Group, BMW and Mercedes were against a general speed limit. No surprise here since they offer pretty fast cars and a speed limit would certainly have an impact on all those Porsche, Lambo, BMW M, AMG, etc. sales. In the near future however, with the "electrification" of cars, it only makes sense for major car manufacturers to ask for a legal speed limit in Germany.

    Why? Well, the faster an EV goes, the more energy it consumes and the faster the battery drains. The high top speeds of the cars nowadays are "deadly" for battery life. One reason why EVs driving faster than 200 kph, drain their batteries extremely fast. So it makes only sense to ask for a speed limit to keep average energy consumption and especially ranges at an acceptable level. Porsche cannot sell a car which drains it's battery after 50 km if the driver drives 300 kph. Smiley Just a stupid example but you get my point.

    If you think I'm wrong, I'm not. I actually know for a fact that this topic has been discussed at VW Group (and very likely at other manufacturers as well).

    In the future, everything will be about acceleration, charging time and total energy consumption. Also how autonomous a car will be able to drive or not. Top speed? Not important anymore, simply because there will be a general speed limit in Germany. Maybe not tomorrow, not in a year or two but it will certainly happen over the next decade. It will affect the whole thinking in the car industry about future products and how they will be shaped technologically.


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    Extremely simple solution, just limit electric car's top speed to 150-200km/hr. There are such a thing already for trucks. 

     


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    Re: Porsche Suspends All Sales of New Cars in Europe

    So what about the track? Private roads? Airfields? Customers wouldn't accept that, unless all cars would be speed limited.


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    Re: Porsche Suspends All Sales of New Cars in Europe

    So the car configurator isn't working?? I've tried the 3D view in Firefox (where it was working very well) and IE 11, but the Unity Player seems to be unabled in both platforms. Anyone have found a way to make it work?


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    Re: Porsche Suspends All Sales of New Cars in Europe

    I've checked the bmw.de website and it is advertised that "already from today around 190 models fulfill the EURO 6D-Temp emission standards".

    The long list includes practically everything in their wide range from 1-series to the ///M cars, (except the M3 for some reason. omission?).

    WTF have Porsche been doing all this time I can see why dealers and customers alike are so frustrated.


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    Re: Porsche Suspends All Sales of New Cars in Europe

    The M3 isn’t even for sale anymore here in Belgium, they could install the hardware in the sedan body. M4 no problem. 


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    spudgun:

    The M3 isn’t even for sale anymore here in Belgium, they could install the hardware in the sedan body. M4 no It seems they stopped the sale of M3 generally. Maybe to direct 4 door customers to the M5.

    It seems they stopped the sale of the M3, generally. Maybe to direct 4 door customers to the new M5.
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    Re: Porsche Suspends All Sales of New Cars in Europe

    We talked about it here some months ago (the M3)


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    Enzo II:

    We talked about it here some months ago (the M3)

    Sorry I missed it!!

    What was it about?


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    Re: Porsche Suspends All Sales of New Cars in Europe

    reginos:

    I've checked the bmw.de website and it is advertised that "already from today around 190 models fulfill the EURO 6D-Temp emission standards".

    The long list includes practically everything in their wide range from 1-series to the ///M cars, (except the M3 for some reason. omission?).

    WTF have Porsche been doing all this time I can see why dealers and customers alike are so frustrated.


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    You should rather ask yourself: Are these 190 cars already available and ready for delivery? Smiley Smiley


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    Re: Porsche Suspends All Sales of New Cars in Europe

    RC:
    reginos:

    I've checked the bmw.de website and it is advertised that "already from today around 190 models fulfill the EURO 6D-Temp emission standards".

    The long list includes practically everything in their wide range from 1-series to the ///M cars, (except the M3 for some reason. omission?).

    WTF have Porsche been doing all this time I can see why dealers and customers alike are so frustrated.


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    You should rather ask yourself: Are these 190 cars already available and ready for delivery? Smiley Smiley

    That is how it is presented in their website. And a detailed list by model, engine and transmission follows  with the new CO2 and new fuel consumption figures Smiley

    Screenshot_2018-07-16 BMW Deutschland.jpg


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    Re: Porsche Suspends All Sales of New Cars in Europe

    The ad says that these models meet the new EURO 6d temp certification but they don't say when all these cars will be available.  Similar to other manufacturers, some models will only be available in autumn or even later.


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    Re: Porsche Suspends All Sales of New Cars in Europe

    RC:

    The ad says that these models meet the new EURO 6d temp certification but they don't say when all these cars will be available.  Similar to other manufacturers, some models will only be available in autumn or even later.

    Hmmm, thank you!


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    Re: Porsche Suspends All Sales of New Cars in Europe

    True, I tried to order a 116i last month but they could only deliver one in sept/oct unless I changed to a 118i.


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    Re: Porsche Suspends All Sales of New Cars in Europe

    spudgun:

    True, I tried to order a 116i last month but they could only deliver one in sept/oct unless I changed to a 118i.

    My 218i is being produced this week. I double-checked today fearing delays and it was confirmed.


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    Re: Porsche Suspends All Sales of New Cars in Europe

    reginos:
    spudgun:

    True, I tried to order a 116i last month but they could only deliver one in sept/oct unless I changed to a 118i.

    My 218i is being produced this week. I double-checked today fearing delays and it was confirmed.


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    Try to order a car which needs/needed re-certification... Smiley

    I am thinking about getting my daughter the new X2, they are widely available here (probably because it is a completely new model).


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    Re: Porsche Suspends All Sales of New Cars in Europe

    RC:
    reginos:
    spudgun:

    True, I tried to order a 116i last month but they could only deliver one in sept/oct unless I changed to a 118i.

    My 218i is being produced this week. I double-checked today fearing delays and it was confirmed.


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    Try to order a car which needs/needed re-certification... Smiley

    I am thinking about getting my daughter the new X2, they are widely available here (probably because it is a completely new model).

    I considered the X2. It drives very nicely and the style is fresh. I decided on the 2-series coupe because it brought to me nostalgia of the E30 3-series and it will be the last RWD small BMW, probably.


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    Re: Porsche Suspends All Sales of New Cars in Europe

    2 series coupe is a perfectly formed BMW


    Re: Porsche Suspends All Sales of New Cars in Europe

    VW have discontinued the base (230bhp) Golf GTI due to re certification issues, only the 245bhp Performance version will soldier on along with downrated (- 10bhp) Golf R until the all new Golf Mk. 8 is introduced in 2019.


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    Re: Porsche Suspends All Sales of New Cars in Europe

    This would equal to a >20 bhp loss in the GT3 RS...hopefully not.


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    Re: Porsche Suspends All Sales of New Cars in Europe

    Gauss:

    This would equal to a >20 bhp loss in the GT3 RS...hopefully not.

    It is my understanding that nominal power will stay the same (520).


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