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    Re: 997 Turbo - Official performance

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    BD 997 said:
    I cant wait till Jeremy Clarkson gets behind the wheel... lets see what he has to say.



    Tiff too

    Re: 997 Turbo - Official performance

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    so what are the only cars on the road that can take on the 997TT Tiptronic from 0-62 ???



    The problem is: You can buy a manual 997TT and know that the tip version is faster up to 200kph.

    Or you can buy the tip version and know that the manual is faster above 200kph.

    As I consider this kind of choice very unsatisfactory I will not buy a 997TT


    I'd like to hear which car you'll buy to be faster than a manual 997TT



    Right now, I consider the 599GTB and the Murcielago.


    At three times the TT's price. Uhm... are they really an alternative?

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    There is so much about the electronics and programming of which we need to know the details to make any more rational analysis of the 997TT-Tip performance superiority over the manual, because it still seems crazy that even between 80-120kph and up to 200kph, the Tip smokes, yes, flat smokes the manual-unless the manual numbers are overtly more conservative than Porsche conservative standards. I don't care how elegant are the new AWD transaxle and traction control systems, no matter the gearing, up to 200kph in 5-6th gear (manual) and in 4-5th gear (Tip), the Tip still dusts the manual. Even if Porsche did not "intentionally" design the Tip to outperform the manual, the evidence suggests that the electronic controls for the engine/transaxle/traction control/VTG's were specifically designed for an automatic tranny. I would love to see the dyno's for the manual compared to the Tip with power and torque curves for each gear, and more importantly, to see where and why the manual underperforms.

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    Al, I wouldnt worry about it too much. If Porsche says the TT Tiptronic is the newest and best rocketship, than it is.

    I like to row thru the gears and extract the last ounce of performance as much as anybody, but the new TT has so much Saturn V like power that you just wont have to.

    Re: 997 Turbo - Official performance

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    brunner said:
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    MKSGR said:
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    brunner said:
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    MKSGR said:
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    BD 997 said:
    so what are the only cars on the road that can take on the 997TT Tiptronic from 0-62 ???



    The problem is: You can buy a manual 997TT and know that the tip version is faster up to 200kph.

    Or you can buy the tip version and know that the manual is faster above 200kph.

    As I consider this kind of choice very unsatisfactory I will not buy a 997TT


    I'd like to hear which car you'll buy to be faster than a manual 997TT



    Right now, I consider the 599GTB and the Murcielago.


    At three times the TT's price. Uhm... are they really an alternative?



    Three times??? A turbo in Germany (with adequate options) is around 170k, a 599GTB around 250k. The difference is not that big.

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    rhino said:
    Mksgr What do you drive now?



    My only sports car (right now) is a 996TT (X50, X73).

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    brunner said:
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    brunner said:
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    MKSGR said:
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    BD 997 said:
    so what are the only cars on the road that can take on the 997TT Tiptronic from 0-62 ???



    The problem is: You can buy a manual 997TT and know that the tip version is faster up to 200kph.

    Or you can buy the tip version and know that the manual is faster above 200kph.

    As I consider this kind of choice very unsatisfactory I will not buy a 997TT


    I'd like to hear which car you'll buy to be faster than a manual 997TT



    Right now, I consider the 599GTB and the Murcielago.


    At three times the TT's price. Uhm... are they really an alternative?



    Three times??? A turbo in Germany (with adequate options) is around 170k, a 599GTB around 250k. The difference is not that big.



    Agree that after certain net worth, any car is fairly cheap....and pricing/resale value diffces are rounding error...

    Hope new Murci has better steering feel and brakes than prior Lambos....also will have "feel" issues of a 4000lb+ sportscar....

    599 has essentially zero modern safety systems, esp side/head airbags, etc. Also, would think 599 is not safely useable for temps under 40F (unless F offers great winter tires), and 599's prob a bit dicey even on a rainy day >40F (lots of torque, RWD and F's perhaps more dubious stab ctrl sys)....

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    VKSF said:
    599 has essentially zero modern safety systems, esp side/head airbags, etc.



    599 GTB Fiorano will be the first Ferrari with side airbags. See pic below.

    Re: 997 Turbo - Official performance

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    MKSGR said:
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    rhino said:
    Mksgr What do you drive now?



    My only sports car (right now) is a 996TT (X50, X73).



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    BD 997 said:
    so what are the only cars on the road that can take on the 997TT Tiptronic from 0-62 ???



    The problem is: You can buy a manual 997TT and know that the tip version is faster up to 200kph.

    Or you can buy the tip version and know that the manual is faster above 200kph.

    As I consider this kind of choice very unsatisfactory I will not buy a 997TT


    I'd like to hear which car you'll buy to be faster than a manual 997TT



    Right now, I consider the 599GTB and the Murcielago.


    At three times the TT's price. Uhm... are they really an alternative?



    Three times??? A turbo in Germany (with adequate options) is around 170k, a 599GTB around 250k. The difference is not that big.



    Agree that after certain net worth, any car is fairly cheap....and pricing/resale value diffces are rounding error...

    Hope new Murci has better steering feel and brakes than prior Lambos....also will have "feel" issues of a 4000lb+ sportscar....

    599 has essentially zero modern safety systems, esp side/head airbags, etc. Also, would think 599 is not safely useable for temps under 40F (unless F offers great winter tires), and 599's prob a bit dicey even on a rainy day >40F (lots of torque, RWD and F's perhaps more dubious stab ctrl sys)....



    Well, I am not sure yet about the 599GTB. I still hope that Porsche offers PDK and powerkit in early 2007... That would have a major impact on my decision

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    MKSGR said:
    Well, I am not sure yet about the 599GTB. I still hope that Porsche offers PDK and powerkit in early 2007... That would have a major impact on my decision



    Are you trying to blackmail them? They read this forum but...

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    Rossi said:
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    VKSF said:
    599 has essentially zero modern safety systems, esp side/head airbags, etc.



    599 GTB Fiorano will be the first Ferrari with side airbags. See pic below.



    Thx, Rossi....didn't know that.

    Now the question is whether these F airbag systems are as advanced/effective as the 2nd and 3rd gen systems offered by P/Merc....F only needed 5 yrs+ to come up w/this first attempt...

    Re: 997 Turbo - Official performance

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    JimFlat6 said:
    Al, I wouldnt worry about it too much. If Porsche says the TT Tiptronic is the newest and best rocketship, than it is.

    I like to row thru the gears and extract the last ounce of performance as much as anybody, but the new TT has so much Saturn V like power that you just wont have to.



    I still wonder if they used something similar to a Sachs GT-1 Level 2 street clutch to handle continuous torque over 650Nm and peak torque at over 800Nm and re-programmed the ECU-"black box"/PTM/new AWD transaxle program for the gear-specific torque-generating characteristics of a 6-speed manual with this capacity, they could get superior manual numbers without resorting to increasing peak HP (only HP and torque numbers from 2,000-4,000 during the peak torque range in which overboost can whip). As advertised now, the 997TT-TipS morph's. into the ultimate wife's car.

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    RC said:
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    MKSGR said:
    Well, I am not sure yet about the 599GTB. I still hope that Porsche offers PDK and powerkit in early 2007... That would have a major impact on my decision



    Are you trying to blackmail them? They read this forum but...



    Good idea

    In addition, I will send a nice letter to Zuffenhausen... BTW, I must admit that I already visited my dealer: The poor guy was probably overwhelmed by my level of frustration with the 997TT. But then he agreed with some of my concerns...

    We are now both hoping for a short-term introduction of PDK and powerkit

     
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