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    Additional rumored information on the 450/470

     It will be NA with 570hp. 0-60 3.2-3 sec. Rumored to go around Ferrari test track two seconds faster than FXX (Hard to believe but it is a short track).

    Definite introduction Frankfurt Sept. 2009.


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    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

     The NA 570HP and the 0-60 times are remotely believable - but the 2 seconds faster than the FXX... 


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    nberry:

     It will be NA with 570hp. 0-60 3.2-3 sec. Rumored to go around Ferrari test track two seconds faster than FXX (Hard to believe but it is a short track).

    Definite introduction Frankfurt Sept. 2009.


    570 horses would be a strong argument for the new car, though I can't believe in a track time quicker than a FXX. Smiley

    Now if they'll only get the design right... Smiley
     


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    Rossi:
    nberry:

     It will be NA with 570hp. 0-60 3.2-3 sec. Rumored to go around Ferrari test track two seconds faster than FXX (Hard to believe but it is a short track).


    570 horses would be a strong argument for the new car, though I can't believe in a track time quicker than a FXX. Smiley

    Maybe Nissan's Suzuki-san has been moonlighting. Smiley


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    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    fritz:
    Rossi:
    nberry:

     It will be NA with 570hp. 0-60 3.2-3 sec. Rumored to go around Ferrari test track two seconds faster than FXX (Hard to believe but it is a short track).


    570 horses would be a strong argument for the new car, though I can't believe in a track time quicker than a FXX. Smiley

    Maybe Nissan's Suzuki-san has been moonlighting. Smiley

    Smiley

    But seriously, when they came out with the Scud, didn't Ferrari say it does a the test track 1 sec a lap faster than the Enzo?

    So, it's not eeeeentirely unbelievable the new F??? could do it faster than the FXX - but it's certainly on the edge of believability.


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    Heist:
    fritz:
    Rossi:
    nberry:

     It will be NA with 570hp. 0-60 3.2-3 sec. Rumored to go around Ferrari test track two seconds faster than FXX (Hard to believe but it is a short track).


    570 horses would be a strong argument for the new car, though I can't believe in a track time quicker than a FXX. Smiley

    Maybe Nissan's Suzuki-san has been moonlighting. Smiley

    Smiley

    But seriously, when they came out with the Scud, didn't Ferrari say it does a the test track 1 sec a lap faster than the Enzo?

    So, it's not eeeeentirely unbelievable the new F??? could do it faster than the FXX - but it's certainly on the edge of believability.

    They might in both cases be comparing times for the new car on new asphalt with old times for cars which in each case we would expect to be faster.
    Just like the Nürburgring lap times were reputed to have been reduced overall due to a new surface laid down between 2007 and 2008.


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     Rossi, I believe the front end will be similar to the Scud. I also believe the rear will be similar to all the other Ferrari models i.e. single round tail light. The exhaust will be located in the rear  center of the car. Side silhouette we pretty much know based on the partially uncovered car with the front and rear for the most part hidden.

    For the most part, we have a pretty good idea what it will look like.Smiley

     


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    570bhp? From a 4.7l engine NA? More than 121bhp per liter? Hmmmmmm.....

    And a jump of 60bhp from Scuderia? Hmmmmm.....

    Either it's a turbo, so 570bhp is correct but it will weight more than Scuderia so very close in performance but Scuderia still faster OR they talk about a different car. A mid engine NA V12.

    I don't buy it.

     


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    The new GT3 is 435bhp from 3.8l. So more than 114bhp per liter. Just to give you an idea.

    Perhaps from a 5l NA V8 engine you may get 570bhp BUT that's a stretch. So it sounds like they launch first the next Scuderia. Smiley

     


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    Ferrari's timing could be excellent. With a Sept 2009 launch and first deliveries sometime next year when the financial markets should be picking up nicely.... should be a real winner if these rumours are accurate...


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    The 3.2 sec sprint might be plausible (at a stretch), but the 2 sec faster than the FXX claim is ludicrous. The FXX is 7 seconds faster than the Enzo round Fiorano for crying out loud! As for the Enzo vs Scuderia issue. Ferrari claims that they are equally quick at Fiorano, but several independent tests have shown that the Enzo with its vast power/weight - straightline performance advantage is much quicker (TG track for example) round a circuit. Fiorano is very twisty though hence the identical times between the two, since Enzo's huge power cannot be fully exploited.


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     Here are the record times at Fiorano

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    Car Record Driver Date Note
    Formula One cars
    Ferrari F2004 0'55.999 Flag of Germany Michael Schumacher 2004  
    Ferrari F2003-GA 0'56.33 Flag of Germany Michael Schumacher 2003  
    Ferrari 248 F1 0'57.099 Flag of Brazil Felipe Massa 2006  
    Ferrari F2005 0'57.146 Flag of Germany Michael Schumacher 2005  
    Ferrari F2002 0'57.476 Flag of Germany Michael Schumacher 2002  
    Ferrari F2007 0'58.366 Flag of Brazil Felipe Massa 2007  
    Ferrari F310B 0'59.00 Flag of Germany Michael Schumacher 1997  
    Ferrari F2008 0'59.111 Flag of Italy Mirko Bortolotti 2008  
    Ferrari F399 1'00.226 Flag of Italy Luca Badoer 1999  
    Ferrari 412T 1'00.31 Flag of France Jean Alesi 1994  
    Racing sports cars
    Ferrari 333 SP 1'11.90     slicks
    Ferrari 333 SP 1'13.00     slicks & restrictor
    Ferrari FXX 1'16.00 Flag of Italy Andrea Bertolini 2007  
    Ferrari 360 GT 1'17.00      
    Ferrari 360 N-GT 1'18.90 Flag of the United Kingdom Ian Harold Brown 2003  
    Ferrari 360 Challenge 1'22.40   2003  
    Maserati Trofeo 1'23.85      
    Ferrari 355 Challenge 1'25.40     rear wing
    Ferrari 348 Challenge 1'33.00      
    Road cars
    Ferrari 430 Scuderia 1'23.9   2007  
    Ferrari Enzo 1'24.9   2002  
    Maserati MC12 1'25.2      
    Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano 1'26.500   2006  
    Ferrari F50 1'27.00      
    Ferrari 430 1'27.00 Autobild 2007  
    Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale 1'28.00      
    Ferrari F40 1'29.60      
    Ferrari 360 Modena 1'31.00      
    Ferrari 550 Maranello 1'32.528      
    Ferrari F355 F1 1'33.00   1997  
    Ferrari F355 1'34.00   1994  
    Ferrari F512M 1'35.00   1995  
    Ferrari 512TR 1'35.00   1992  
    Ferrari 456GT 1'35.00      
    Maserati 4200 GT 1'35.00      
    Ferrari 288 GTO 1'36.00      
    Ferrari Testarossa 1'36.00   1984  
    Ferrari 348TB 1'37.00   1989  
    Porsche 959 1'37.00      
    Ferrari 328 GTB 1'44.00      

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    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    Some of them differ from the times I have seen... And where is the FXX Evoluzione? 


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    Even scarier ...

    Look at the time difference between the FXX and Schumi's 2004 F1!

    21 seconds is enough time to get out ... walk down the pit ... and begin taking a splash.


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    I was watching a re-run of Top Gear recently - the segment was about how today's road cars are as fast as race cars and rally cars from 20-30 years ago.

    Some of these figures IMHO do add weight to that theory....

    This could be one of the few good things to look forward to about getting 20 years older...


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    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

     There is no way the new 450 can beat the time of the FXX. Is it possible the reference was to the 599FXX?


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    If the F142 beats the time of the 1130 kg, 900 BHP, slick shod FXX Evoluzione... what would be the time of the Enzo replacement? Faster than that of the F1 cars? This is totally nonsensical. I guess they mean that it will match the time of the Scuderia...


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    REALZEUS:

    If the F142 beats the time of the 1130 kg, 900 BHP, slick shod FXX Evoluzione... what would be the time of the Enzo replacement? Faster than that of the F1 cars? This is totally nonsensical. I guess they mean that it will match the time of the Scuderia...


    I guess the say it will be a tad quicker than the Scuderia, as each new Ferrari has to beat the time of the last model. Smiley

    Anyway, I would be more than pleased with Scuderia performance, the most important things are technology and design.
     


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    easy_rider911:

    I was watching a re-run of Top Gear recently - the segment was about how today's road cars are as fast as race cars and rally cars from 20-30 years ago.

    Some of these figures IMHO do add weight to that theory....

    This could be one of the few good things to look forward to about getting 20 years older...

     

    Believe it or not, the biggest contributor to the declining numbers has little to do with horsepower  or weight - 500 horsepower 20 years ago is the same 500 horsepower today.  1,000 lbs is 1,000 lbs.

    Suspension and chassis development plays a factor but the biggest contributor is the thing that like 90% of the driving population doesn't give a second though to until it needs replacement -- advancement in tire technology and rubber composition!

    Any of you who ride motorcycles and have been doing so for >10 years knows how true this statement is.

     


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    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

    Another article about the new car can be found here:

    http://www.motortrend.com/future/future_vehicles/112_0907_ferrari_f430_successor/index.html

    Though it doesn't hold much news, the info about the modular assembly system and the last passage about the difference in maintenance hours between 599 and California is rather interesting. I didn't know that before.

    Also the pic of the new car, though obviously an artist's impression, has a nice appearance and does look good IMO.


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    nberry:

     There is no way the new 450 can beat the time of the FXX. Is it possible the reference was to the 599FXX?

    Most likely they meant faster than the scud...


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     Well, if the 430 replacement will be built on the same assembly line as the Ca GT then you can bet there will be similarities.


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    Pentium:

    The new GT3 is 435bhp from 3.8l. So more than 114bhp per liter. Just to give you an idea.

    Perhaps from a 5l NA V8 engine you may get 570bhp BUT that's a stretch. So it sounds like they launch first the next Scuderia. Smiley

     

    121 hp/L is very possible.  The Honda S2000 had 120hp/L quite a few years ago.  The GT3 only has 114hp/L, but it doesn't have direct injection like the new Ferrari.


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    50 hours of scheduled maintenance for the 599 vs. 11 hours for the Cali .... amazing! 

    Well done Ferrari.


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    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

     I contacted my source and have a correction regarding the FXX.  The 450/470 was two seconds faster around Fiorano against the Scud and NOT the FXX.

     


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    nberry:

     I contacted my source and have a correction regarding the FXX.  The 450/470 was two seconds faster around Fiorano against the Scud and NOT the FXX.

     


    Very impressive! Smiley


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    Re: Additional rumored information on the 450/470

     More evidence that the 450 will be priced at scud prices +

     

    How about the Cali NBR or Fiorano lap times?


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    SciFrog:

     More evidence that the 450 will be priced at scud prices +

     

    How about the Cali NBR or Fiorano lap times?

    That's another reason for the California being priced where it is and tuned/styled  the way it is  ...to allow  harder core F430 succesor, base priced in the high $200K USD range, with the later "performance " versions pushing high $300K base price.Marketing spin will be " Enzo beating performance at a fraction of it's price "

     


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     The Cali for the wife, the 450 for the husband, the 612 for longer trips! Perfect lineup!


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    SciFrog:

     The Cali for the wife, the 450 for the husband, the 612 for longer trips! Perfect lineup!


    Well, my wife doesn't need a Cali and we don't do longer trips in a car. Guess I can concentrate on the F142. Smiley
     


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