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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

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    Sport Auto France Supertest

    Le Mans Bugatti Circuit Lap Time

    Ferrari 488 GTB - 1:44.28
    Lamborghini Huracan LP 610-4 - 1:45.06
    Porsche 992 Turbo S - 1:45.10 ***NEW***
    Chevrolet Corvette C7 Z06 - 1:45.44
    McLaren 650 S - 1:46.16


    Acceleration:

    0-100: 2,6
    0-160: 5,8
    0-200: 8,8

    0-400m: 10,4 @ 215 km/h
    0-1000m: 19,1 @ 271 km/h

    Power Output:

    Claim: 650 hp @ 6,750 rpm
    Tested: 669 hp @ 6,900 rpm


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Forgot to mention: Lately, I drive a lower tire pressure in the Performante, so my speed is "limited" to 270 kph. More fun on country and mountain roads and less risk on the Autobahn. Perfect. Smiley

    Right now I have winter tires on the car, so I can't do over 270 anyway but I stick to 240 kph (my winter tire is certified for 270 kph) because I had once a tire pressure issue with one of the winter tires (Pirelli Scorpion winter) and when my mechanic removed the tire, it was damaged(!) from the inside. We still don't know if it was a mounting issue or a technical issue, Pirelli hasn't responded yet.


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    BiTurbo:

    Sport Auto France Supertest

    Le Mans Bugatti Circuit Lap Time

    Ferrari 488 GTB - 1:44.28
    Lamborghini Huracan LP 610-4 - 1:45.06
    Porsche 992 Turbo S - 1:45.10 ***NEW***
    Chevrolet Corvette C7 Z06 - 1:45.44
    McLaren 650 S - 1:46.16


    Acceleration:

    0-100: 2,6
    0-160: 5,8
    0-200: 8,8

    0-400m: 10,4 @ 215 km/h
    0-1000m: 19,1 @ 271 km/h

    Power Output:

    Claim: 650 hp @ 6,750 rpm
    Tested: 669 hp @ 6,900 rpm

    Weight: 1,661 kg (Added)

    Tires: Pirelli P Zero (Added)

     


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    BiTurbo:

    Sport Auto France Supertest

    Le Mans Bugatti Circuit Lap Time

    Ferrari 488 GTB - 1:44.28
    Lamborghini Huracan LP 610-4 - 1:45.06
    Porsche 992 Turbo S - 1:45.10 ***NEW***
    Chevrolet Corvette C7 Z06 - 1:45.44
    McLaren 650 S - 1:46.16


    Acceleration:

    0-100: 2,6
    0-160: 5,8
    0-200: 8,8

    0-400m: 10,4 @ 215 km/h
    0-1000m: 19,1 @ 271 km/h

    Power Output:

    Claim: 650 hp @ 6,750 rpm
    Tested: 669 hp @ 6,900 rpm

    Btw what a fantastic photo....


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    KMM:

    Even in our twenties, when we were thin and fit, my brother and I would touch elbows in his 911SC. A lot of the width increase has to do with safety regulations relating to side intrusion.

    I"ve been in one total write-off of a mid 80's Carrera and my dad did another one as well that I wasn't in. The one I was in, the car was travelling at about 75km/h and hit a railway track that the railway had buried in the ground vertically to protect the railway crossing lights. 5 feet above the ground, 15 feet below. It obviously didn't move. It was an '86 Cab and we hit it nearly perpendicular to the driver's door. The chassis bent more than 8 inches both sideways and torsionally so when it was set back down on the ground only two opposite corner wheels touched the ground. It also tore the roof mechanism off the windshield mounts. 

    I hit my head on the side window and my dad had a huge bruise on his thigh. We had to crawl out through my door but were otherwise fine. I doubt a modern 911 would do any better. 


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    Topspeed:

     

    The McLaren exterior spec are stunning. Best colour combo so far imho Smiley


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    Top Gear: Progress report: Porsche 993 Turbo vs 992 Turbo S











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    I'll take one of each thank you!


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    Interesting comment that the twenty-five year old 993 Turbo still feels like a modern performance automobile.  That's the dilemma faced by automakers, the incremental evolution of the automobile, beyond pure increases in almost unattainable performance figures on the track, do little to differentiate a new automobile from a well maintained two decade old example.  Of course, the infotainment system and some of the active safety systems are generations more advanced, however there is very little real world differences.  


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    I think I'd pick the 993 solely based on the greater analogue experience and nostalgia, although the 992 would be sublime. Very tough call, for me at least.


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    I will take the 993TT for its look and manual transmission.

    But I hate the ventilation system in 993.  Had one for 9 years and really did not know how to work the knobs and vents properly.


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    Targa Tim:

    I will take the 993TT for its look and manual transmission.

    But I hate the ventilation system in 993.  Had one for 9 years and really did not know how to work the knobs and vents properly.

    Chuckling on the ventilation system....the ergonomics are awful. I can’t even see the fan knob or ac buttons. Makes teaching for them to adjust a bit of a stab in the dark...


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    Take a 993 turbo over a 992 turbo. What horse shit. mail

    Guy’s, please stop the crap. 


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    nberry:

    Take a 993 turbo over a 992 turbo. What horse shit. mail

    Guy’s, please stop the crap. 

    You really are clueless. 


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    nberry:

    Take a 993 turbo over a 992 turbo. What horse shit. mail

    Guy’s, please stop the crap. 

    Is it the gold wheels that turn you off? Smiley


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    nberry:

    Take a 993 turbo over a 992 turbo. What horse shit. mail

    Guy’s, please stop the crap. 

     

    Actually I would take the 993 also given the choice 

    If only PDK is available on the 993, then it would pretty much be the perfect thing.


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    Whoopsy:
    nberry:

    Take a 993 turbo over a 992 turbo. What horse shit. mail

    Guy’s, please stop the crap. 

     

    Actually I would take the 993 also given the choice 

    If only PDK is available on the 993, then it would pretty much be the perfect thing.

    I doubt the 992 will be worth twice the original asking price in 20 years. 


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    Although I would not have used his particular language, I’m with Nick on this one. Having owned a  993 turbo (green/tan), I can say it was a nice car, but extremely antiquated compared to the 992. The video’s claim of a 4.3 to 60 is exaggerated, in my remembrance, and the interior was okay at best.

    Regarding future values, my guess is any high end Porsche turbo will gain greatly in value after 20 years. For example, I owned a 1976 930 (Black, black watch plaid interior), and it cost $25,000 brand new. A nice one is selling for a least $300,000 now. Talk about oversteer and turbo lag, the 930 really had it. Only worth of money now because of its vintage appeal...


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    Leawood911:
    Whoopsy:
    nberry:

    Take a 993 turbo over a 992 turbo. What horse shit. mail

    Guy’s, please stop the crap. 

     

    Actually I would take the 993 also given the choice 

    If only PDK is available on the 993, then it would pretty much be the perfect thing.

    I doubt the 992 will be worth twice the original asking price in 20 years. 

     

    It's more about the size of the car, not the price tag or worthiness.

    The 993 is smaller and much tidier car. I am not transporting 250lb-300lb pigs. My gf and I added together barely touches 300lbs total. 993 is roomy enough. 


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    https://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsche/911/1996/1996-porsche-911-turbo/

    0-60 was 3.7 for a 24 year old car? Not too shabby.


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    JoeRockhead:

    https://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsche/911/1996/1996-porsche-911-turbo/

    0-60 was 3.7 for a 24 year old car? Not too shabby.

    Except skill and coordination is required in the 993 Turbo to obtain 0 to 60 mph in 3.7 seconds.  Today, any fool who can vaguely keep the front wheel straight can obtain 0 to 60 mph in 2.5 seconds for the new 992 Turbo S.  This is why the 993 remains respected among drivers.  It is reasonably modern yet requires respect and skill to obtain the best performance from it.  


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    As a daily driver the 992 but as a fun/weekend car the 993 Turbo (better with the factory WKS 2 power kit with 450 Hp). Fantastic performance (still today). Back then in 1995-1998, there was nothing remotely comparable to a 993 Turbo .  They are relatively rare by modern standards as only 5937 cars (993 Turbo) were built.   

     


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    CGX car nut:
    JoeRockhead:

    https://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsche/911/1996/1996-porsche-911-turbo/

    0-60 was 3.7 for a 24 year old car? Not too shabby.

    Except skill and coordination is required in the 993 Turbo to obtain 0 to 60 mph in 3.7 seconds.  Today, any fool who can vaguely keep the front wheel straight can obtain 0 to 60 mph in 2.5 seconds for the new 992 Turbo S.  This is why the 993 remains respected among drivers.  It is reasonably modern yet requires respect and skill to obtain the best performance from it.  

    True but then, there are curves and twists and turns... Smiley This is where the men are separated from the boys. Smiley

    I had a 993 Targa, I hated this car. It felt like a supped up VW Beetle, sorry to say this. Had a M3 (E36) afterwards, felt like a different world. I get it, they are fun to drive (964, 993) but I would never want one as my sole sports car. Never. Not even my favorite 964 RS. Classic Porsches before the 964? Not my thing at all. Same goes to other classic cars. Only classic cars I would want to own is the F40 and the first gen Ford GT. Maybe an A/C Cobra as well. 

    I love modern cars and it isn't the fault of the engineers that they have to respect all those new (pedestrian) safety and emissions rules. Smiley


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    RC, I just have to say that the cobra is one of the shittiest cars I've ever driven both on and off the track.

    I'd take the 993 but would prefer whoopsy's 3.6 turbo. 


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    Factory specs for 993 Turbo: 0-60 in 4.4 secs; 408 hp, top speed 180.


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    Probably doesn't fit this thread, but here is some interesting stuff from Porsche about its e-fuel project in Chile. Comments, explanations?

    Press Release 02/12/2020
     
    Press release from Siemens Energy and Porsche

    Siemens Energy and Porsche, with partners, advance climate-neutral e-fuel development

    • World’s first integrated commercial plant for producing climate-neutral fuel being built in Chile
    • Innovations from Germany to industrialize synthetic fuels and decarbonize the mobility sector 
    • German Economy Ministry supports beacon project as part of national hydrogen strategy
    • Porsche is planning to use e-fuels – initially on race courses and in vehicle trials, prospectively also in production sports cars

    Munich/Stuttgart. Siemens Energy, joined by sports car maker Porsche and a lineup of international companies, is developing and implementing a pilot project in Chile that is expected to yield the world’s first integrated, commercial, industrial-scale plant for making synthetic climate-neutral fuels (e-fuels). In the pilot phase, around 130,000 liters of e-fuels will be produced as early as 2022. In two further phases, capacity is then to be increased to about 55 million liters of e-fuels a year by 2024, and around 550 million liters of e-fuels by 2026. Porsche will be the primary customer for the green fuel. Other partners in the project are the energy firm AME and the petroleum company ENAP from Chile and Italian energy company Enel. 

    The “Haru Oni” pilot project in Magallanes Province takes advantage of the excellent wind conditions in southern Chile to produce climate-neutral fuel with the aid of green wind power. As part of Germany’s national hydrogen strategy, to support the project Siemens Energy will get a grant of some 8 million euros from the Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy, the ministry announced today.

    Christian Bruch, CEO Siemens Energy: “Establishing a sustainable energy economy is going to require some rethinking. Renewable energy will no longer be produced only where it’s needed, but where natural resources like wind and sun are available on a massive scale. So new supply chains are going to arise all over the world to carry renewable energy from one region to another. That’s especially important for Germany, which – bottom-line – has to import energy if it’s going to meet its nationwide demand. Hydrogen will come to play an increasingly important role in storing and transporting energy. Which is why the German government’s support for the project is an important signal.” 

    Porsche CEO Oliver Blume: “Electromobility is a top priority at Porsche. E-fuels for cars are a worthwhile complement to that – if they’re produced in parts of the world where a surplus of sustainable energy is available. They are an additional element on the road to decarbonization. Their advantages lie in their ease of application: e-fuels can be used in combustion engines and plug-in hybrids, and can make use of the existing network of filling stations. By using them, we can make a further contribution toward protecting the climate. As a maker of high-performance, efficient engines, we have broad technical expertise. We know exactly what fuel characteristics our engines need in order to operate with minimal impact on the climate. Our involvement in the world’s first commercial, integrated e-fuels plant supports the development of the alternative fuels of the future.” 

    Federal Economy Minister Peter Altmaier: “Hydrogen is a key component for successfully carrying out the energy transformation in every sector. That’s why, with the National Hydrogen Strategy, we aim to take advantage of the opportunities that hydrogen offers for the climate, energy and economic policy. We know we won’t be able to cover our national demand out of domestic production alone, and will need international partnerships. So I’m very pleased to see that Siemens Energy and Porsche are developing production capacity in other countries, along with importing structures, for green hydrogen and its daughter products. Thanks to German know-how, for the first time in the world innovation from the laboratory will now be applied in an integrated, commercial plant.” 

    Siemens Energy is a co-developer of the “Haru Oni” project (also known as HIF project), and is serving as a systems integrator to cover the entire value chain – from power generation using Siemens Gamesa wind turbines, to producing green hydrogen, to conversion into synthetic fuel. The company’s flexible PEM (PEM = Proton Exchange Membrane) electrolysis is ideally suited for using volatile wind power.

    As the fuel’s primary user, Porsche is planning as a first phase to use the e-fuels from Chile in beacon projects. Those include using the e-fuel in vehicles for Porsche motorsports, at the Porsche Experience Centers and perspectively also in serial production sports cars. The sports car maker will start with an initial investment of roughly 20 million euros. 

    AME is the primary developer and owner of the HIF (Highly Innovative Fuels) project company. Enel is a co-funder of the plant, with a focus on wind power and electrolysis. ENAP will support the project by providing operating staff and with maintenance and logistics.

    Chile, with its excellent climate conditions for wind power and the associated low cost of electricity, has a very high potential in international terms for producing, exporting and locally using green hydrogen. To generate green hydrogen, electrolyzers use wind power to dissociate water into its two components, oxygen and hydrogen. In a second step, plans call for filtering CO2 out of the air and then combining it with the green hydrogen to form synthetic methanol. The result is renewable methanol, which can be converted into climate-friendly fuel using an MTG (Methanol To Gasoline) technology to be licensed and supported by ExxonMobil.

     
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