Crown

Board: Other Sports Cars Language: English Region: Worldwide Share/Save/Bookmark Close

Forum - Thread

    Apr 29, 2011 11:38:20 PM

    Carlos from SpainM
    Rennteam Moderator
    Carlos from Spain
    Loc: Spain. , Spain
    Posts: 20752, Gallery
    Registered on: Feb 9, 2003
    Reply to: nberry

    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    nberry:

     I don't recall whether any European country requires using the TURN SIGNAL to indicate a lane change. Do they?

    --

     

    Of course, all of them.

    Have you ever noticed in your 911 that if you lower/raise the turn signal and stop right before it sticks, the lever pops back and you get just a 3 blink turn signal activation... well thats what its for, its the lane change turn signal, and cars have it for a reason. It gives you three blinks and stops automatically, usually enough to signal the lane change.


    --

    Apr 30, 2011 1:33:34 AM

    nberry Offline
    Rennteam VIP
    nberry
    Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States
    Posts: 13576, Gallery
    Registered on: Apr 11, 2002
    Reply to: Carlos from SpainM

    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

     Honestly, I was not aware of that function. In the US our authorities are fanatical about safety on highways. That is why very few if any States have higher speed limits than 65mph. If signaling a lane change was a safety factor, you can bet it would have been law here.

    If I had to guess, the reason for signaling lane changes in Europe is the higher speed limit?Smiley


    --

     

    Apr 30, 2011 3:54:00 AM

    WhoopsyM Offline
    Rennteam Moderator
    Whoopsy
    Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada
    Posts: 15327, Gallery
    Registered on: Sep 19, 2006
    Reply to: nberry

    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    I guess the US, unlike Canada, don't have the law that fines people who fails to signal when changing lanes, and we already have a lower speed limit than the US.

    I think the speed limit is tied to the level of driver education, US and Canada have the lowest standard for getting a driver's license, that's why we have the lowest speed limit. In Germany where they have stretches of unrestricted highway, they have the highest standard for getting a license.

     

    Apr 30, 2011 8:24:28 AM

    BiTurbo
    Rennteam Master
    BiTurbo
    Loc: X , United States
    Posts: 3225, Gallery
    Registered on: Jan 27, 2006
    Reply to: nberry

    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    nberry:

     Honestly, I was not aware of that function. In the US our authorities are fanatical about safety on highways. That is why very few if any States have higher speed limits than 65mph. If signaling a lane change was a safety factor, you can bet it would have been law here.

    If I had to guess, the reason for signaling lane changes in Europe is the higher speed limit?Smiley


    --

     

    Nick, we're not discussing about rocket science here, if you want to change lanes at any speed you need to use your turn signal (Left or Right)  Smiley

    Imagine the turn signal being on the options list when ordering a new car Smiley

     


    --

     

    http://i54.tinypic.com/34fcl7a.jpg

    Apr 30, 2011 8:47:52 AM

    Carlos from SpainM
    Rennteam Moderator
    Carlos from Spain
    Loc: Spain. , Spain
    Posts: 20752, Gallery
    Registered on: Feb 9, 2003
    Reply to: nberry

    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    nberry:

     Honestly, I was not aware of that function. In the US our authorities are fanatical about safety on highways. That is why very few if any States have higher speed limits than 65mph. If signaling a lane change was a safety factor, you can bet it would have been law here.

    If I had to guess, the reason for signaling lane changes in Europe is the higher speed limit?Smiley
    --

     

    I don't know, speed limits in Europe are not much higher in Europe, generallly 120km/h (72mph) with some a bit higher (France, Italy for example) and some a bit lower (UK, Spain, Finland for example). If you ask me I think the use in lane change turn signal in US may be more of a cultural thing and how multiple lane driving is regarded. In US the cars all tend to drive in all lanes at similar speed like a herd, in Europe, the left lane still regarded by law as an overtaking lane (though less and less by newer drivers) and lanes are more respected, thats why its important to signal in advance when you are invading another lane, rather than just driving without lanes like in US. 

    The US authorities may be fanatical about safety but those pencil pushers have always been out of touch with the real factors of traffic safety and accident mortality. They engrave on the mirror the obvious "object may appear coser that they really are" like if people are stuped but they allow motorists to ride without a helmets, they put silly stickers all over the place like the airbag warning stickers on the head visors but they allow (or at least the did last time I was there) to speak on the cell with one hand while driving with the other Smiley

     


    --

    Apr 30, 2011 10:49:09 AM

    GM AustinM
    Rennteam Moderator
    GM Austin
    Loc: Texas , United States
    Posts: 3529, Gallery
    Registered on: Sep 10, 2002
    Reply to: Carlos from SpainM

    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    Failure to signal is a ticketable offense everywhere in the US (including lane changes). It is not often enforced. Sometimes it is used as an excuse to pull you over if the officer suspects something else. Sometimes it is used to assign blame in a traffic accident. Sometimes it is a violation that gets added on along with others when you have particularly irritated some officer.

    May 1, 2011 12:38:38 PM

    Ferdie
    Rennteam VIP
    Ferdie
    Loc: Europe , Germany
    Posts: 8208, Gallery
    Registered on: Jul 2, 2004
    Reply to: JimFlat6

    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    JimFlat6:

    Of course in some countries people may feel a psychological need to use their turn signals to change lanes and or the law might require them to even leave their signal on when in a passing lane.


    What kind of psychological need are you referring to? I am currently driving in different regions of Germany and can sense different notions of using the indicators. It does help tremendously, for example waiting at an intersection or while driving on the Autobahn, whether the approaching vehicle is about to turn or change lanes. That does not even include the safety aspect if the speed differential is significant between two cars...

    May 3, 2011 8:12:01 AM

    RCA
    Rennteam Administrator
    RC
    Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany
    Posts: 58883, Gallery
    Registered on: Mar 26, 2002
    Reply to: Ferdie

    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    Wow... there seem to be people on this planet who didn't realize that a turn signal can actually also indicate a lane change...I'm not only surprised but shocked, truly shocked.

    I'm not surprised there are much more accidents in the speed limited US than in Germany(remember?...no general speed limit) because changing a lane on a crowded highway without using the turning signal is not just irresponsible, it is just plain dumb. I have seen many situations where an accident was very very close to happen and I can only imagine how often these accidents actually do happen.

    Btw: I have noticed that some drivers use the turning signal when they change the lane and some don't. Even the police has some sort of erratic behavior: Some police cars use the turn signal when they change the lane, some don't. I was paying attention very carefully this time.

    Also interesting: Most drivers driving much faster and changing lanes spontaneously are mostly drivers of smaller japanese cars. Very surprising because I actually thought that only drivers of expensive cars actually can afford paying fines/going to court. 

    Another observation I made in the US on the highway: When I passed a car, the car sometimes accelerated and made it very difficult to pass it, so I had to get faster too, sometimes reaching speeds over 90 mph in a 65 mph zone. 


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

    May 3, 2011 2:48:09 PM

    WhoopsyM Offline
    Rennteam Moderator
    Whoopsy
    Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada
    Posts: 15327, Gallery
    Registered on: Sep 19, 2006
    Reply to: RCA

    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    RC:

    Wow... there seem to be people on this planet who didn't realize that a turn signal can actually also indicate a lane change...I'm not only surprised but shocked, truly shocked.

    I'm not surprised there are much more accidents in the speed limited US than in Germany(remember?...no general speed limit) because changing a lane on a crowded highway without using the turning signal is not just irresponsible, it is just plain dumb. I have seen many situations where an accident was very very close to happen and I can only imagine how often these accidents actually do happen.

    Btw: I have noticed that some drivers use the turning signal when they change the lane and some don't. Even the police has some sort of erratic behavior: Some police cars use the turn signal when they change the lane, some don't. I was paying attention very carefully this time.

    Also interesting: Most drivers driving much faster and changing lanes spontaneously are mostly drivers of smaller japanese cars. Very surprising because I actually thought that only drivers of expensive cars actually can afford paying fines/going to court. 

    Another observation I made in the US on the highway: When I passed a car, the car sometimes accelerated and made it very difficult to pass it, so I had to get faster too, sometimes reaching speeds over 90 mph in a 65 mph zone. 


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

     

    What you noticed happens in Canada too. Especially the passing part. Seems like all these North Americans don't like having 'something' in front of their cars, period.

    As I said before, these North Americans have been trained to speed up when they see a turn signal indicating someone wants to change lane, so that they can slot in behind them.

    Turn signal violations amounts to the min traffic fine in most places, a small amount that these "Fast and Furious' wannabe ricers surely can afford.

     

     

     
    Edit

    Forum

    1. All 

    Boards

     
    Board Subject Last post Rating Views Replies
    Porsche Sticky The moment I've been waiting for... 5/18/22 6:36 PM
    Pilot
     
     
     
     
     
    		 690162 1306
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020) 1/27/23 7:12 PM
    Porker     		322654 1191
    Porsche Sticky SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA (Part II) 1/26/23 4:09 PM
    W8MM     		221556 1340
    Porsche Sticky Welcome to Rennteam: Cars and Coffee... (photos) 1/28/23 3:45 AM
    Spyderidol     		206204 465
    Porsche Sticky Porsche Taycan Turbo S - Short Review 10/6/22 12:37 AM
    WhoopsyM     		187602 580
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Cayman GT4 RS (2021) 1/20/23 10:57 PM
    Pilot     		133003 58
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Porsche 911 (992) GT3 RS - 2022 11/30/22 2:30 PM
    GnilM     		58413 68
    McLaren McLaren on a winning streak 2/1/22 10:14 PM
    SSO.     		524007 3954
    Porsche OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016) 12/25/22 1:02 AM
    CGX car nut     		483613 2663
    Porsche 992 GT3 1/3/23 6:48 PM
    Grant     		478671 3792
    Porsche Welcome to the new Taycan Forum! 1/21/23 3:51 PM
    CGX car nut     		233961 1491
    Porsche Donor vehicle for Singer Vehicle Design 9/30/22 6:31 PM
    Grant     		232151 774
    AMG AMG GT R 3/13/22 8:52 PM
    spudgun     		202144 834
    Lambo Aventador and SV 5/20/22 5:24 PM
    Topspeed     		198247 710
    Others Tesla 2 the new thread 1/28/23 12:31 AM
    WhoopsyM     		196717 2035
    Porsche GT4RS 12/30/22 1:28 AM
    JAMS     		192455 1194
    Motor Sp. [2021] Formula 1 4/19/22 10:08 PM
    Leawood911     		165086 1590
    Others Bugatti Chiron 8/30/22 4:31 PM
    Josef     		162143 525
    Ferrari Ferrari 812 Superfast 6/12/22 5:09 PM
    watt     		158234 535
    BMW M BMW M2 Rumors 2/28/22 7:42 PM
    Topspeed     		144812 409
    Porsche Red Nipples 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour 1/3/23 10:08 PM
    blueflame     		141926 509
    Lambo Urus (SUV) 6/7/22 1:20 PM
    Topspeed     		139613 593
    Others Corvette C8 7/18/22 12:40 PM
    WhoopsyM     		138674 443
    Porsche Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife 7/4/22 10:42 PM
    DaveGordon     		137149 722
    Motor Sp. [2022] Formula 1 1/13/23 3:57 PM
    Leawood911     		129476 1572
    Others Toyota Yaris GR 4/13/22 8:33 PM
    Grant     		108467 640
    Lambo Huracán EVO STO 7/21/22 8:37 AM
    RCA     		107322 335
    AMG Mercedes E63 S AMG (2018) - Short Review (updated on a regular basis) 10/24/22 7:42 AM
    RCA     		105114 402
    Ferrari Wandered to the dark side 8/29/22 9:35 AM
    BiTurbo     		80309 418
    Ferrari Ferrari Roma 4/18/22 4:33 PM
    watt     		32628 438
    166 items found, displaying 1 to 30.