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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Pilot:

    Could it be that the bad guys may have planned everything in advance using information from forums like this one and other social media sites?

    Last week end, there was the 60th birthday of the Nurburgring Porsche club. There was probably ove 500 hundreds Porsche that got dispatched a bit everywhere during the evening. 

    I have been told that very often the thefts happen during these big event week ends. 

    Nothing indicated where I would stay. Or did it ?  Now I might start to get paranoid ....


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Gnil:
    Pilot:

    Could it be that the bad guys may have planned everything in advance using information from forums like this one and other social media sites?

    Last week end, there was the 60th birthday of the Nurburgring Porsche club. There was probably ove 500 hundreds Porsche that got dispatched a bit everywhere during the evening. 

    I have been told that very often the thefts happen during these big event week ends. 

    Nothing indicated where I would stay. Or did it ?  Now I might start to get paranoid ....

     

    You didn't disclose that here at least.

    But honestly, there are only so many hotels around the Ring, most of them is outdoor parking only and your car's colour really pops..........

    A cloned key is one possibility, like someone said, BMW keys are very easy to clone, Porsche might also be. My gf's mother had her X3 broken into with a cloned key 7 times last year at home, not joking, 7 times. Even with a newly programmed key. They didn't steal her car, they keep checking the interior to find stuff to steal.

    Using a recovery truck with a crane to lift your car straight off the road is another possibility. it will only take 3 mins or so and having a Porsche on the back of a recovery truck isn't that unusual around the area either. I mean the alarm does sound but most people are used to car alarm sounding at night and mostly ignored it already. 

     


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Such a shame surprise

    I’ve never had a car stolen but certainly remember the pain and feeling of violation from having them broken into and valuable stuff ripped out. Can just hope for a satisfactory resolution with the insurance really, and then focus on moving on from it.

    I doubt it was pre-arranged. There are multiple GT and RS cars parked outside in the area most days of the week.

    Nice photo at Breidscheid.. lovely light.


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    I hope you don't need to fight the insurance company. 

    When I had my accident in my Panigale R motorcycle back in 2017, dealing with my insurance was a nightmare (I've since switched to a new one). 

    The Panigale R is a special model (kind of like a GT3 if you will), >10k more expensive and rarer than the Panigale S (there's also a regular Panigale).... When the insurance company couldn't find an R model in the second hand market of Luxembourg and the surrounding countries, they took the average value of the S model instead. I still remember when a representative showed up in my house with a printed picture of a Panigale S. I couldn't believe it. Then I had to convince the guy who did the market research that the R was a special model, and that used prices (with same mileage I put on my bike) would still be above new S prices, also because R was limited and you couldn't order a new one anymore. Thereupon he answered "I think someone who is paying this much money for a bike, would rather buy a new Panigale S than a used Panigale R!" ... mail

    Really bad memories of that time... Needless to say, that I lost in the end, because I was also in a bad shape, physically and morally, and really couldn't give a darn.

    I sincerely hope that you're having more luck!


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Gnil:

    Won’t post pics of my RS . It got stolen last night in front of the hotel. cryingsurprise

     

    Damn Eric,so sad to read this…incredibile.

    hope you get the right money from your insurance,,don’t know if to hope to find the car…

    Smiley

     


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    WTF! cheeky I can’t believe it and had to read your post over again. That is terrible! I hope all gets sorted with the insurance.


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Disconcerting, really. Was in Hockenheim Monday and wasn't at ease leaving my car at the hotel...

    Good advice from Carlos and Gauss higher. Been in that situation too. Do hope for a 'decent' outcome.

     

    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Whoopsy:
    You didn't disclose that here at least.

    But honestly, there are only so many hotels around the Ring, most of them is outdoor parking only and your car's colour really pops..........

    A cloned key is one possibility, like someone said, BMW keys are very easy to clone, Porsche might also be. My gf's mother had her X3 broken into with a cloned key 7 times last year at home, not joking, 7 times. Even with a newly programmed key. They didn't steal her car, they keep checking the interior to find stuff to steal.

    Using a recovery truck with a crane to lift your car straight off the road is another possibility. it will only take 3 mins or so and having a Porsche on the back of a recovery truck isn't that unusual around the area either. I mean the alarm does sound but most people are used to car alarm sounding at night and mostly ignored it already. 

     

    I did not  mention I would go to the Ring on any social media nor here.

    The car car stolen between 3 and 5 AM. A recovery truck lifting a car up at that time would of been very strange. It car parked in a street with private homes. But then, if it takes only 3 min Smiley 

    During the whole season you have nice cars parked outside in the different areas around the Ring. Mine was indeed in a spot that is very noticeable. But has been there many many times, and most of the time there are other cars like mine parked there.  Now of course I would never do the again. Only in secured car parks would I leave it. 


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    There is no camera available that is even looking at the property perimeter or closed to the street or a sport where the car must pass through?


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Gnil:
    Whoopsy:
    You didn't disclose that here at least.

    But honestly, there are only so many hotels around the Ring, most of them is outdoor parking only and your car's colour really pops..........

    A cloned key is one possibility, like someone said, BMW keys are very easy to clone, Porsche might also be. My gf's mother had her X3 broken into with a cloned key 7 times last year at home, not joking, 7 times. Even with a newly programmed key. They didn't steal her car, they keep checking the interior to find stuff to steal.

    Using a recovery truck with a crane to lift your car straight off the road is another possibility. it will only take 3 mins or so and having a Porsche on the back of a recovery truck isn't that unusual around the area either. I mean the alarm does sound but most people are used to car alarm sounding at night and mostly ignored it already. 

     

    I did not  mention I would go to the Ring on any social media nor here.

    The car car stolen between 3 and 5 AM. A recovery truck lifting a car up at that time would of been very strange. It car parked in a street with private homes. But then, if it takes only 3 min Smiley 

    During the whole season you have nice cars parked outside in the different areas around the Ring. Mine was indeed in a spot that is very noticeable. But has been there many many times, and most of the time there are other cars like mine parked there.  Now of course I would never do the again. Only in secured car parks would I leave it. 

     

    Strange yes, but how many would be up at 3-5am in the morning looking out the window?

    Now if it is indeed a recovery truck job, probably a 3 men crew, after parking the truck, it takes about a minute to swing the boom over, another minute to lift and swing it back. With 2 guys securing attachment points to 4 wheels, it's very doable to do 2 wheels each within 60 seconds. They aren't regular tow truck drivers who work alone and care about damaging wheels and such.

    The moment the car is lifted the alarm should start sounding, and even if the car continue to sound the alarm on the truck and driving on the road, most would just assumed an impounded car getting removed from parking illegally. Not many if at all would think a crime had just been committed. 

    It's probably more noticeable to people if they started the car and drive off, our ears are tuned more into cold starts of sports cars, and tuning out car alarms and 99% of those are false alarms and most sort of ignores it anyways, but would peek out the window to see who started what car and drives off so early. 

    In any case, good luck with dealign with the insurance company. 


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    the-missile:

    There is no camera available that is even looking at the property perimeter or closed to the street or a sport where the car must pass through?

    The house right in front has a camera but not filming the street enough to see something. Don't think the cops went to every house where the car could have passed. 


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    There are 2 roads going out of the hotel. It should not be utterly complicated to see at least what was the direction of the car on the way out no idea how the police will react on such cases, they may have similar car jacking multiple times per day...


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    I agree that at least on traffic cams they should see who drove in and out of Nürburg at night. A covered trailer entering and exiting at that point of night should raise a few pointers as to where the car was headed at least. It all depends on how seriously they take the investigation of course. 

    I know the camera of the famed Tankstelle films the access road for example, that could be a source of info:

    https://www.instagram.com/reel/CTrCMfujeQZ/?utm_medium=copy_link


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Just read about it, so sorry to hear what happened to you. Smiley

    I didn't know they started to steal GT3 RS now, this is not exactly a car you can easily hide. I still believe they put it in a truck or on a trailer, this car is too flashy to drive around in it. 

    The worst part is the insurance stuff but maybe you are lucky, some insurances pay the real replacement value.

    Not sure however how they are going to establish this.

    I had a similar discussion with my insurance guy a week ago: My Performante is worth slightly over 250k EUR right now according to my dealer, with 15000 km and two years old. New price (after discount) was 253k EUR. Smiley My insurance guy said he has no clue how much my insurance would pay in case of theft. There are so many variables here with such cars, especially when the value of the old car is that high and the car isn't available anymore.

    What are you planning to do? Getting the new GT3 RS? Talk to your dealer and they should talk to Porsche. Maybe they can get you an additional production slot because your old car was stolen. Sometimes they do stuff like that to help out longtime customers.


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    RC:

    Just read about it, so sorry to hear what happened to you. Smiley

    Me too,just seen this. Tragic. We all try and rationalise these things in that it is a loss of an asset but not life etc, but it is still deeply painful nonetheless. So sorry for your pain @ Gnil, and now the hassle of the insurance.


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Reminds me sadly of Farmer and his GT2 RS. I don’t think they allocated him another build slot. 


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Leawood911:

    Reminds me sadly of Farmer and his GT2 RS. I don’t think they allocated him another build slot. 

     

    It was another Swede. Mike's GT2RS is collecting dust as he is always in the Bentley.


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    I have never been to the ring, but i would think hotels there should offer proper security for parked cars. Bare minimum. Sorry. If they have to install cameras and have 24 hour security, so be it….


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    RC:

    Just read about it, so sorry to hear what happened to you. Smiley

    I didn't know they started to steal GT3 RS now, this is not exactly a car you can easily hide. I still believe they put it in a truck or on a trailer, this car is too flashy to drive around in it. 

    The worst part is the insurance stuff but maybe you are lucky, some insurances pay the real replacement value.

    Not sure however how they are going to establish this.

    I had a similar discussion with my insurance guy a week ago: My Performante is worth slightly over 250k EUR right now according to my dealer, with 15000 km and two years old. New price (after discount) was 253k EUR. Smiley My insurance guy said he has no clue how much my insurance would pay in case of theft. There are so many variables here with such cars, especially when the value of the old car is that high and the car isn't available anymore.

    What are you planning to do? Getting the new GT3 RS? Talk to your dealer and they should talk to Porsche. Maybe they can get you an additional production slot because your old car was stolen. Sometimes they do stuff like that to help out longtime customers.

    Found out that some of our insurances now offer 5 or even 7 years real replacement value when a car is totaled. (they pay the exact amount you paid the car) . But I don't have that in my contract. 

    Plan is now Smiley


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    crayphile:
     
     We all try and rationalise these things in that it is a loss of an asset but not life etc, but it is still deeply painful nonetheless. 

     

    Spot on !  A weird feeling. 


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Gnil:
    RC:

    Just read about it, so sorry to hear what happened to you. Smiley

    I didn't know they started to steal GT3 RS now, this is not exactly a car you can easily hide. I still believe they put it in a truck or on a trailer, this car is too flashy to drive around in it. 

    The worst part is the insurance stuff but maybe you are lucky, some insurances pay the real replacement value.

    Not sure however how they are going to establish this.

    I had a similar discussion with my insurance guy a week ago: My Performante is worth slightly over 250k EUR right now according to my dealer, with 15000 km and two years old. New price (after discount) was 253k EUR. Smiley My insurance guy said he has no clue how much my insurance would pay in case of theft. There are so many variables here with such cars, especially when the value of the old car is that high and the car isn't available anymore.

    What are you planning to do? Getting the new GT3 RS? Talk to your dealer and they should talk to Porsche. Maybe they can get you an additional production slot because your old car was stolen. Sometimes they do stuff like that to help out longtime customers.

    Found out that some of our insurances now offer 5 or even 7 years real replacement value when a car is totaled. (they pay the exact amount you paid the car) . But I don't have that in my contract. 

    Plan is now Smiley

    I have that in my policy but it was only for the first 4 years or something, after that it's market value, i.e. you look at what the prices are in the second hand market for the model and ask for a similar amount.

    But you have to look for a company that offers this specifically, all the rest of the policies are just book value of anything happens which is in reality only a fraction of the real value of the car. In the Spanish Porsche forum we have an insurance broker that specializes in Porsche and is able to get this type policy for the members, only one that I know of here, and it's the policy this guy that fights against insurances recommended me.


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Carlos from Spain:
    I have that in my policy but it was only for the first 4 years or something, after that it's market value, i.e. you look at what the prices are in the second hand market for the model and ask for a similar amount.

     

    That's the one to have. It looks like here competition between compagnies is pushing toward these kind of offers now.

    Many years ago compagnie would ensure track. Then they all stoped. Then one started to offer track coverage again included and now quite a few do it again. 


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Leawood911:

    Reminds me sadly of Farmer and his GT2 RS. I don’t think they allocated him another build slot. 

    Talking about Farmer, where is he?


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Carlos from Spain:
    Gnil:
    RC:

    Just read about it, so sorry to hear what happened to you. Smiley

    I didn't know they started to steal GT3 RS now, this is not exactly a car you can easily hide. I still believe they put it in a truck or on a trailer, this car is too flashy to drive around in it. 

    The worst part is the insurance stuff but maybe you are lucky, some insurances pay the real replacement value.

    Not sure however how they are going to establish this.

    I had a similar discussion with my insurance guy a week ago: My Performante is worth slightly over 250k EUR right now according to my dealer, with 15000 km and two years old. New price (after discount) was 253k EUR. Smiley My insurance guy said he has no clue how much my insurance would pay in case of theft. There are so many variables here with such cars, especially when the value of the old car is that high and the car isn't available anymore.

    What are you planning to do? Getting the new GT3 RS? Talk to your dealer and they should talk to Porsche. Maybe they can get you an additional production slot because your old car was stolen. Sometimes they do stuff like that to help out longtime customers.

    Found out that some of our insurances now offer 5 or even 7 years real replacement value when a car is totaled. (they pay the exact amount you paid the car) . But I don't have that in my contract. 

    Plan is now Smiley

    I have that in my policy but it was only for the first 4 years or something, after that it's market value, i.e. you look at what the prices are in the second hand market for the model and ask for a similar amount.

    But you have to look for a company that offers this specifically, all the rest of the policies are just book value of anything happens which is in reality only a fraction of the real value of the car. In the Spanish Porsche forum we have an insurance broker that specializes in Porsche and is able to get this type policy for the members, only one that I know of here, and it's the policy this guy that fights against insurances recommended me.

    In London, Porsche offers up a top-up policy which will pay the difference between new price and insurance value if something happens. Costs like GBP650 for the first three years which is always a good box to tick.


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Do you have to wait 30 days before your insurance company negotiates payment? 


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Changing the focus of this thread a bit......

     


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    WTF??


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    indecision


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Chicago Police last evening recovered a stolen 992 cabriolet.  Surprising the car looks to have sustained little damage and was found abandoned in the South Loop district, so occasionally these stories have a pleasant ending.  

    https://twitter.com/ReynoldsTaft/status/1449231821166817281/photo/1

     

     


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    AMG drivers around here are a menace


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