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    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

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    SoCal Alan said:
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    Lars997 said:
    Heavy implications in Germany. Might be that if your client knows about your cars, he will choose another supplier.

    I work a lot in the US, too. Most thing I like there is, that I can openly talk about my cars and hobbies, without getting affected in any way. In Germany, jealousy is the rule. Even if some people have the same cars, there are still jealous on you.

    So what do I do. In my neighbourhood I have given up caring about. I drive what I like. When I go to my clients (all far away in other areas) I avoid using the Porsche. I choose the bimmer.

    I completly agree on RC statement. Kids are loving cars and dont know jeaslousy but even here are some kids which are affected by their parents thinking and behaving and sometimes those kids behave different to your kids, just because the cars or the house you live in.

    Sad but thats the trueth of Germany. Noone sees that you are working for your money people only see when you spend it!



    It sounds like the problem is the worst in Germany, and that in the rest of Europe, it isn't so bad. Is this correct? This is pretty strange, because Germany is the home of Mercedes and Porsche. Although, it doesn't sound like owning a Mercedes in Germany is as bad as a Porsche, as far as envy issues are concerned.



    UK is also very bad. No way would I let people from work know that I have a Porsche, let alone a new Turbo!! I would immediately lose all business I have if they found out.

    Only petrol-head friends and family are exempt from resenting me for 'flaunting' any work/financial success that I have had.

    The US is the only place I have ever been that people congratulate you on having a nice car/house/etc. Everywhere else people are very resentful, completely ignoring that I have had to work my butt-off at school/college/university/work to accomplish such things.

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

    Unless you do it too, I can't tell you how much of a relief it is to pull into the country club parking lot, or the gated office garage, or drive up long private driveways of friends' houses with my Porsche(s).

    Wheeeeew..., I can park them with comfort, be greeted without feeling compelled to make an excuse (expressed inwardly or outwardly), best of all I know they'll not get vandalized or sodomized while I'm enjoying myself.

    Times like this when I can unequivocally feel that special pride that only comes with spending more than us$100K (in cash), on a two-seater sports car that can go almost 200 mph where speed limits are 55.

    The warm feeling of contentment that accompanies the fact that, with owning two of them, I always have another Porsche in sitting in my garage at home is also priceless.

    There's a Chevy dealer nearby, sometimes I like to drive thru and take a look at the long line of corvettes, not wanting to get my shoes dirty I stay in the car. I just roll slowly past them, drinking in..., no..., _celebrating_ the differences. Sometimes while doing this, just for fun, I manually actuate the rear wing and rev the engine in sport mode.

    Ahhhhh..., Porsche, "there is no substitute."


    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

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    hugo said:
    imo all you guys who "hide" your cars as per the occasion and the indevidual/s you are about to meet are just as bad as the ones who categorize you negatively because in effect you are behaving in the same manner only from the opposite direction....
    The fact that we are here in this forum proves that in the most part we are enthusiates and this is the real motivation for us driving such cars,luckily being able to afford them.
    In my experience, mostly the people i work and socelize with are +/- of simmilar circumstances and are less likely to negativize the relationship.
    Btw,this thing is not limited only to cars,it's the same with wrist watches(i'm sure you guys also change your watches per client you meet)houses and even the kids school/kindergarden so just accept and present things at face value,and that's what i think! as A D Clay would have said



    I was thinking exactly the same thing then I read your post and I fully agree. There is no shame in
    letting people see what you have worked for.

    If you being seen in your Porsche/Ferrari will effect your earnings or income then I believe
    you are not in a strong enough financial position to enjoy these fine vehicles.

    Jealousy after all is a very bad and negative emotion. Anyone that shows jealousy is a bad person so why would you care
    about how they think anyway.

    When I see a man driving an expensive car or with a very beautiful woman I abmire that
    person, makes me inspired.

    I leave you with a quote from the great Nelson Mandela:

    "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us most. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, and famous?' Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that people won't feel insecure around you. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in all of us. And when we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others."

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

    Frankly, those saying we are somehow weak to give in to the jealous don't know what they are talking about. If I take the attitude that I don't care what others think of my car I will lose a lot of business, I will then have to sell the car to survive. It's great that many people don't have these issues but if you lived in a country that did then you would have some very tough choices to make.

    brad

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

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    br d said:
    Frankly, those saying we are somehow weak to give in to the jealous don't know what they are talking about. If I take the attitude that I don't care what others think of my car I will lose a lot of business, I will then have to sell the car to survive. It's great that many people don't have these issues but if you lived in a country that did then you would have some very tough choices to make.

    brad



    Yup, very valid. The customer is always right and if that means not riling them up by using your "better" car to go to work, then so be it. The fact that they may be jealous morons doesn't help one bit when you lose their business.

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

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    vinnie said:

    There is no shame in
    letting people see what you have worked for.





    Would be perfect if our species invariably saw things that way but they don't.

    When it comes to luxury cars I'd say only 10 percent of people see things that way and most of that 10% are financially successful themselves.

    My point: if you're being seen among financially "successful" people, it doesn't matter which kind of car you drive.

    Of course, even in those circles, with Rolls and Benteley you still have to be a bit careful.


    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

    Thank you for the inspiring quote from Nelson Mandella. Good stuff.

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

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    nberry said:

    I assume that you would not want Warren Buffett as your investment advisor.



    Should I? I don't exactly have a need for him, I am basically semi-retired already, there isn't a drive for me to make more money.

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

    I will be getting my Turbo Cab in two weeks. My concern is how my employees will view this. I don't know if the fact I am an Asian American would make it look worse. I will be trading my BMW 6 but I also have a MB and a Land Rover.

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

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    vig168 said:
    I will be getting my Turbo Cab in two weeks. My concern is how my employees will view this.



    Maybe you can write a memo explaining it using some humor that will disarm people, or at least distract them from thinking the worst.

    Tell 'em you inherited money from a relative who insisted (condition of the will) that you spend it lavishly.

    When I feel "guilty" I might tell a stranger that I only have the car because I don't have any kids to spend the money on.

    Tell them instead of buying three (four?, five?) Fords you bought one Porsche. Formulate the respectives depreciations as part of the cost savings equation.


    Tell 'em you _HAVE TO_ to sell it in two years (to afford it) but at least you can then say you once owned a Porsche.


    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

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    Whoopsy said:
    If I see a beater, or even a Lexus, I will more than likely turned away and find another one, a beater to me means he is not making enough to get a presentable car and not successful enough, it would have been a gamble on my part to trust him/her. A Lexus owner is even worst, he is 'pretending' to be a successful one, but since he can't afford to buy the proper brand names, he goes for the discounted one. A 100% poser in my mind.



    Are you serious about Lexus? I have a TT, my wife drives a Lexus RX 350. I bought the TT for my driving pleasure and the Lexus becuase it's a good, safe and very comfortable car at a reasonable price. IMHO it's a better car than the MB or BMW equivalents. Maybe I'm the exception to the rule, but "posing" was the last thing on my mind when I selected my cars.

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    Don't take it personally Sorry to come off generalizing.

    My view on that part was from experiences both from family and friends dealing with professionals we came across who drive Lexus, not a single encounter but multiple encounters with different Lexus owners. In all cases these Lexus owners botched our deals.

    when Toyota first created Lexus the brand to compete with MB & Co. They billed the LS as the discount version of them and that point just stuck with us till now.

    The LS460 is a REALLY nice car, but a BMW 750i or S550 cost just a little bit more but offers the complete package, no smearing touch screens, proper powerful engines, proper driving dynamics and even the door slams sounded more solid.

    IS350 is also a wonderful sports sedan, but the BMW 3 series is just that much better while not costing a whole lot more.

    You get the idea

    Mind you, I did had a Lexus before, a RX330, it was one of the worst thing on 4 wheels I have ever had, engine has no power, driver seat too shallow and no amount of adjustment can be made to make me sit comfortable, shifting is rough, gas mileage is awful for a 3 liter car, engine sounded thrashy when revved hard, trim panels/the whole car creaks and cracks going over bumps and whatnots, horrible brakes, odd trunk shape, and horrible nav system that locks you out from interacting when you need it the most, etc. I could go on and on but I will stop. And no I didn't buy it, my wife bought it without my knowledge and it left my garage after 3 months. Lexus actually gave me a call about the 'unbelievably bad' survey they got from me and ask if they can do anything to right the ship. I declined the offer.

    I did consider getting another Lexus to see if they can impress me again, I thought about getting the LS600h, but a couple defects kept me from buying one, one is they kept the useless touch screen, second is the 600h only available in lwb, and I prefer a swb.

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

    Thanks for the detailed clarification. Such a tribal business, this car preference thing! Can't argue with your perceptions, and agree wholeheartedly about the odd trunk shape and the nav system lockout. It's such a relief every time I drive the TT to have access to all the nav system controls. Also, where is the storage space for a bottle of wine (essential cargo in Australia when socialising)? But otherwise it's a nice bit of kit, BIG improvement over the 330. I don't for one minute take your comments personally: I always enjoy reading and learning from the well expressed opinions of others.

    Getting back to the thread topic, I would simply say that being true to myself means far more to me than any concerns I might have about what other people might think about my personal transport choices. I love cars, particularly fast ones, and I've worked hard and long enough to indulge my passion a little more extravagently than most.

    Whatever turns you on, live and let live, and stuff like that! Yeah!!

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

    Further justification in the style of the previous post is as follows ...
    The 997 TT as the object of passion (rather than another woman !!!) is much less expensive (or better value?) than a divorce ...

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

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    MMD said:
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    vig168 said:
    I will be getting my Turbo Cab in two weeks. My concern is how my employees will view this.



    Maybe you can write a memo explaining it using some humor that will disarm people, or at least distract them from thinking the worst.

    Tell 'em you inherited money from a relative who insisted (condition of the will) that you spend it lavishly.

    When I feel "guilty" I might tell a stranger that I only have the car because I don't have any kids to spend the money on.

    Tell them instead of buying three (four?, five?) Fords you bought one Porsche. Formulate the respectives depreciations as part of the cost savings equation.


    Tell 'em you _HAVE TO_ to sell it in two years (to afford it) but at least you can then say you once owned a Porsche.




    you guys,how full with skeletons are your respective closets?

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

    When I was a stock broker my boss told me you can usually judge a man's character by a nice watch, suit, car or casual conversation. Is this true? I think so.

    I can recall meeting with affluent clients and noticing that they wore a nice watch or drove a nice car and thinking to myself, wow this guy is important. This guy is making money. I wonder what he does. More importantly, it proved to be something that I had in common with the client and that goes a long way.

    If you're hiding these things because of what your neighbors or clients may think, you're hiding your character. Your hiding who you really are. If any potential client finds out you drive a Porsche thru back channels, how much is that client going to trust you in future business dealings?

    Have you also considered that you could actually be diminishing your chances at landing that next big business deal? What if your client owns several high end exotics and he sees you driving your beater Toyota. If I were him, I'd be weary and be pissed off later to find out that you usually drive a Porsche. I'd be like WTF!!! If he can't be himself around me, than how can I trust him?

    Now I'm not saying to pull up to a meeting in your Double R Phantom or Maybach for an initial meeting. But showing up in a Turbo, Cayenne, S Class or 7 Series would be just fine by my standards.

    PS.....I don't own a Porsche (yet) but do own a CL55 and CLS500. I also own several nice watches that I wear daily. I drive my cars and wear my watches as I please because God blessed me with them.

    I could give a rat's azz about what anyone else thinks.......

    Just my .02

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

    While sensitive to what some think, I'm not driven by it. I have some patients ask me what I'm driving now and want to talk cars and others that say they are making my car payment. I tell them that it's already paid for but they are helping me pay for my kids college (and thank them which usually defuses an awkward moment). A close friend has nice cars and is a vendor for Home Depot. He has to drive a rented car when going to different stores or else his sales would fall off dramatically. I guess different strokes- stock brokers, lawyers, etc. We can't let too many things get in the way of our beloved cars

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...


    As exotic looking sports cars become less socially acceptable there may be increased demand for stealthy high performers like an upgraded CSL that are faster than exotics but look like an ordinary BMW to most people.

    I would never consider owning a car that I had to hide and could not drive to work.

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

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    AUM said:

    As exotic looking sports cars become less socially acceptable there may be increased demand for stealthy high performers like an upgraded CSL that are faster than exotics but look like an ordinary BMW to most people.

    I would never consider owning a car that I had to hide and could not drive to work.



    the shrink really likes his CSL, I can't count how many times he has commented on this car. AUM could you please post some pics

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

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    AUM said:

    I would never consider owning a car that I had to hide and could not drive to work.



    Yes, with an _unusually_ fancy car, normal people (i.e. the non-"rich") will naturally assume you have money to burn; you have to ask yourself "what harm is it that they would think that way about me?"


    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

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    MMD said:
    you have to ask yourself "what harm is it that they would think that way about me?"



    The harm is that your employers/customers would think: "We are paying you too much!"

    ..and frankly they may be right!

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

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    Alex_ said:
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    MMD said:
    you have to ask yourself "what harm is it that they would think that way about me?"



    The harm is that your employers/customers would think: "We are paying you too much!"




    Yupp... thats the story!

    And - I dont hide the car, I just dont take it to my client. If he would ask me if I have a Porsche, I would tell him, as I would do if he asked me what I think about sport cars.

    But - I just avoid to pose around with it and for the most german clients it is posing coming with changing cars and changing expensive cars.

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

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    If you're hiding these things because of what your neighbors or clients may think, you're hiding your character.



    If you think a person's character is defined by the personalty with which he chooses to adorn himself, you are shallow beyond words. I simply cannot believe some of you guys are spending this much time contemplating what others might think of you. Epitome of overcompensating for self esteem issues, perhaps.

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    I drive my cars and wear my watches as I please because God blessed me with them.



    I'm not thought of as a religious person, but how sick is the mind that thinks God has an interest in bestowing upon you or "blessing" you with Swiss watches and overpriced sport coupes.

    While religious I'm not, a Porsche fan I am. The brand, 911 in particular, got under my skin a long time ago, but not for the same reasons cited by some of you. I sure hope those self-consumed posters among you represent a small minority of Porsche owners.

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

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    MartyB said:

    If you think a person's character is defined by the personalty with which he chooses to adorn himself, you are shallow beyond words.

    I simply cannot believe some of you guys are spending this much time contemplating what others might think of you.

    Epitome of overcompensating for self esteem issues, perhaps.

    I'm not thought of as a religious person, but how sick is the mind that thinks God has an interest in bestowing upon you or "blessing" you with Swiss watches and overpriced sport coupes.

    While religious I'm not, a Porsche fan I am.

    The brand, 911 in particular, got under my skin a long time ago, but not for the same reasons cited by some of you.

    I sure hope those self-consumed posters among you represent a small minority of Porsche owners.






    Whatever..., welcome to the board nevertheless.

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

    I once had a sister in-law ask me if I knew how many starving African kids I could feed with my car payments. I said, I don't know, lots probably. I also feel the jealousy of some of the folks I work with and I used to feel as though I had to justify it, but now, I just don't give a s**t.

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

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    Lars997 said:
    Heavy implications in Germany.



    Obviously, the more off those luxury items are from your personal position, the less envy one seem to have. It is astonishing in my eyes, that greed and envy seem to be very prominent in the Southern states of Germany where the biggest part of wealth is geographically located. It still makes a difference if you appear in the western or Eastern part of Germany, the later's (former communistic) residents still show a historically founded, different notion on wealthy people.

    In my eyes, there is a significant difference between European and American views on wealth. You display your acquired (and therefore superior or inferior to others) wealth in the former regions, you buy yourself an admission card to upper class society in the later. Luxury objects do have different different meanings in different societies, hence the different acceptance. Afterall, there is a, to me, surprising number of conscious members from the US posting in this thread.


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    LB said:
    I used to drive a Mini Cooper S to work but have switched to a Mercedes A150 [...]
    I quite enjoy going from the A class to one of my other cars because it makes me appreciate that much more when I drive them.



    Share that opinion. First of all, don't have to display wealth to everybody around, secondly I appreciate the different impressions you get in them. In fact, one does adapt to a brand news car very quickly so you should get a short reset once in a while. Only my personal opinion.


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    vinnie said:
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    hugo said:
    imo all you guys who "hide" your cars as per the occasion and the indevidual/s you are about to meet are just as bad as the ones who categorize you negatively because in effect you are behaving in the same manner only from the opposite direction...



    I was thinking exactly the same thing then I read your post and I fully agree. There is no shame in
    letting people see what you have worked for.

    If you being seen in your Porsche/Ferrari will effect your earnings or income then I believe
    you are not in a strong enough financial position to enjoy these fine vehicles.



    Things seem to be different in your area & occupation. Let's say you have an important business meeting, would you show up in shorts? or brag about your most recent conquest? Don't think so, unless you're a pimp (joking, by the way).

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

    There's no way out of it. Drive a Porsche and you become a "problem" for people.

    Specific instances I won't mention, but I can guarantee I have been charged __more__ for products and services after they see me I driving my Pcar. Happens as often as it can be made to happen.

    "They" use very inventive ways to jack up prices or sell you more goods or services.

    It's like Socialism! Since you apparently have more you should pay more. How ironic.


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    Apart from Communism, Socialism is the second worst invention by men.

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    Communism, socialism and facism have killed more people than all religious wars combined.

    Re: Social implications of the car you drive...

    One can always say "it's just a Mazda Miata with a body kit" and add "I could never afford a real 911 Turbo." That should disarm the jealous type instantly.

     
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