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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    acky:

    I think for a S PSE and SC are a must have, but not for a Non-S. Enthusiasts all the time buy S. Non-S buyers are different people. I would not spend 5k on 2 options if I dont want them really. On resale the car can be offered 3k cheaper and you still have 2k more in the pocket.

    When I look at second hand cars, very often all the sporty options are missing, espacially on Non-S cars.

    Why, do you think non-S drivers want to enjoy their car less than S drivers? Smiley

    I understand why people wouldn't need the extra power, especially in speed limited countries but PSE and especially Sport Chrono which enhances driving experience substantially (without Sport Chrono, I couldn't enjoy my GTS at all...throttle response would be horrible)? I don't know, I think you are wrong here. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    There is also a different buyer group. They are not interested in sporty driving. They have money and after driving SL and E or S class Mercedes they finally want to own! a Porsche.
    I see this people often here. Mostly around 65 and creep around on sunday.
    Second group, the business leaser, working at a bank in Frankfurt (or else) and using the 911 as daily driver as every other car.

    Chat with your sales guy about the typical 911 buyer. They are not like the people here and other car enthusiasts forums.

    I took a look at the german porsche web site for used cars.

    514 991 at all
    308 with PSE
    249 with SC
    157 with SC and PSE

    So only 25% speced their cars with SC and PSE

    Second look
    Non S 991 at all 116, with PSE and SC only 13

    With the 997, SC is a must have because the 997 didn't had the sport button as standard, but all 991 have the sport button. With that throttle response is good enough for most people.
    I have to admit that I also never used sport+ in the last 3 years, even sport is seldom used by me. But I always put the PDK in manual mode, deactivate start/stop and activate PSE and I am not driving slowly.......


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    I use the sport mode mainly because of the throttle response... The standard throttle response sucks big time. angry


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    The throttle response is a gimmick. Half the throttle is basically not used. With a manual transmission it is a pain because off the line it revs the engine too quickly and you get unwanted clutch slippage. If I use it in the turbo it is just for the extra boost and once I am not standing still. I like my clutch and I hate to abuse it.  I don't know if in the 991.2 it provides overboost but that would be the only reason to get it.  So glad the turbo is so quiet.  If it had PSE I would not use it.  Speak softly and carry a big stick.  The turbo does not have it neccesary to be loud.  It decimates traffic with little noise and I love that.

    My beautiful air cooled cars had no PSE, or PASM or SC and they were totally involving. I am a hard core 911 buyer. Sadly these items have become must have options which makes one wonder why they are not included. The important stuff is only in GT cars and the fun stuff cost extra on even the base car. The 911 is now like taking your kids to Disneyland where marketing and envy are King. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Throttle response is a "gimmick"? yes


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    I've never been in step with the purist crowd. When I rode my saddle was from Hermes 😏


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    RC:

    Throttle response is a "gimmick"? yes

    Poor wording - sorry.   I don't like fly by wire throttle in the first place but it is simply $ for enabling software code.  With a manual it is not ideal for a smooth get away with minimal clutch slippage. Smiley Maybe we can agree on that?

    I prefer to use the entire range of movement and be more precise.

    I get why one has to option these items for resale value and why even a used car buyer would need it for the same reason if nothing else.  It should be included.  Options should be paint and comfort items or entertainment items.  I guess it is hard to nail down a list.


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Leawood911:
    RC:

    Throttle response is a "gimmick"? yes

    Poor wording - sorry.   I don't like fly by wire throttle in the first place but it is simply $ for enabling software code.  With a manual it is not ideal for a smooth get away with minimal clutch slippage. Smiley Maybe we can agree on that?

    I prefer to use the entire range of movement and be more precise.

    I get why one has to option these items for resale value and why even a used car buyer would need it for the same reason if nothing else.  It should be included.  Options should be paint and comfort items or entertainment items.  I guess it is hard to nail down a list.

    Of course but this is how many (not all) manufacturers are trying to milk customers. Smiley Smiley

    On a sports car, such software/chassis setups and even sport exhaust systems should be standard. Unfortunately... Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    The 991.2 Reviews reach Stuttgart 

    http://captiongenerator.com/88641/The-9912-Reviews-reach-Stuttgart


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Truth to be told (I haven't asked though lately...), I get the feeling that Porsche dealers in Germany are happy with the new 911. Maybe I'm wrong, I'll try to find out more.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    I expected he was going to end by saying "We will call it 911 R".


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    RC:

    Throttle response is a "gimmick"? yes

     

    I think what he is saying is adjustable throttle response is a gimmick and I would agree.  GT models have one mapping...and it feels fine in all situations.  

    For 90% of buyers, I think the new turbo 991.2s will represent a nice upgrade.  Such is progress I suppose.


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    vantagesc:
    RC:

    Throttle response is a "gimmick"? yes

    I think what he is saying is adjustable throttle response is a gimmick and I would agree. GT models have one mapping... and it feels fine in all situations.  

    +1, case closed Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    +2 oops wait the case is already closed broken heart


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Too much purity takes on a drone, akin to a badly made aftermarket exhaust.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Guys,

    does someone know if the European delivery program is also valid if you live in Europe?

    what about costs and impact on discounts?

    tnx


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Sport Auto Supertest 7:34 lap: http://youtu.be/tl1R9XMmjV8


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    thats pretty quick!


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Wow! angel


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Was that Christian Gebhardt?  If so, same driver who did GT4 lap 8 sec slower.  Do we know tires and Hockenheim lap too?


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Grant:

    Was that Christian Gebhardt?  If so, same driver who did GT4 lap 8 sec slower.  Do we know tires and Hockenheim lap too?

    To be fair, he never went above 2nd gear in the GT4. Otherwise it would have been a sure sub-7:00 lap Smiley Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    bluelines:
    Grant:

    Was that Christian Gebhardt?  If so, same driver who did GT4 lap 8 sec slower.  Do we know tires and Hockenheim lap too?

    To be fair, he never went above 2nd gear in the GT4. Otherwise it would have been a sure sub-7:00 lap Smiley Smiley

    Goes without saying Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    not funny


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Geez, what a drive!  I kept thinking how at that speed everything has to go just right.  A real tribute to Porsche engineering and that drivers skills.  I freaked out just watching this...


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Grant:

    Was that Christian Gebhardt?  If so, same driver who did GT4 lap 8 sec slower.  Do we know tires and Hockenheim lap too?

    P Zero. 

    1:09,5min if I remember correctly. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    KresoF1:
    Grant:

    Was that Christian Gebhardt?  If so, same driver who did GT4 lap 8 sec slower.  Do we know tires and Hockenheim lap too?

    P Zero. 

    1:09,5min if I remember correctly. 

    Thanks - nice performance on street tires.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Amazing driver. Although it helps to know the track as well as he does.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Couple of interesting moments - fantastic to watch


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Porsche 991.2 Carrera S (PDK) Supertest by Sport Auto

    NBR: 7.34

    HHR: 1.09,6

    Acceleration:

    0-100: 3,7
    0-160: 8,2
    0-200: 12,8

    Döttinger Höhe (Speed): 280 km/h

    Slalom 18m: 72,8 km/h

    Braking:

    100-0 (C/W): 36,4 m / 32,9 m
    200-0 (W): 127,5 m

    Weight: 1,508 kg (1,583 kg w/Driver)

    Tire(s): Pirelli P Zero (N1)
    F/R: 245/35/20 - 305/30/20

    Power / Torque Output: 423 PS / 510 Nm


    Re: OFFICIAL: 2016 Porsche 911 [991.2]

    Those are amazing performance numbers! For a 2+2 seater all-season daily driver sports car with 420hp. Well done Porsche kiss

    Stick a set of Cup2 on it and it will most likely match the GT3 and maybe GT3 RS too.


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