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    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

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    KresoF1 said:
    But, I did not say that he is a bad driver unlike some members here...



    Yes I know, Kreso - I was just pulling your leg

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

    LOL!

    BTW, do you remember who wrote that "von Slowly"

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

    Impressive indeed

    I don't know though whether this points out more that the GT2 is an amazing car on the track, or that the stock Turbo's handling is seriously flawed given it is over 20 seconds behind.

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

    nice discussion about GT2, i now have more understanding of it... thanks you guys

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

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    Alex (UK) said:
    Impressive indeed

    I don't know though whether this points out more that the GT2 is an amazing car on the track, or that the stock Turbo's handling is seriously flawed given it is over 20 seconds behind.



    Saying that, I spot that the GT2 is only 1.9 secs faster at Hockenheim than the Turbo. So perhaps it's just 'different-horses-for-different-courses'

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    Actually it is 19s since von Saurma drove MY2008 Turbo coupe and achived 7.52min...

    Now, there is another good and interesting news-GT2 will be available with new Pirelli Corsa Evolution tires as well. These tires will be very soon available in 997 Turbo dimension also. Both cars should be even faster on the track with new Pirelli's...

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

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    KresoF1 said:
    LOL!

    BTW, do you remember who wrote that "von Slowly"



    No, I don't know - most probably someone who'll place an order for the GT2 pronto

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

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    Alex (UK) said:
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    Alex (UK) said:
    Impressive indeed

    I don't know though whether this points out more that the GT2 is an amazing car on the track, or that the stock Turbo's handling is seriously flawed given it is over 20 seconds behind.



    Saying that, I spot that the GT2 is only 1.9 secs faster at Hockenheim than the Turbo. So perhaps it's just 'different-horses-for-different-courses'



    I feel surprised that MB DTM CLK is slower than the TT. I thought that car is faster.

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

    Now, you'll know the 0-300 time will be slower than 34 sec.

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

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    svtrader1 said:
    Now, you'll know the 0-300 time will be slower than 34 sec.



    33.5s

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

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    KresoF1 said:
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    svtrader1 said:
    Now, you'll know the 0-300 time will be slower than 34 sec.



    33.5s




    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

    this is the same car WR got to go a 7:32. odds of it being stock...slimmer than paris hilton.

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    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

    the one with autobild and the superbike comparison.

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

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    lambornima said:
    the one with autobild and the superbike comparison.


    That was a red car

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

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    reginos said:
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    lambornima said:
    the one with autobild and the superbike comparison.


    That was a red car



    This one's also red. Red S-GO 5108 did both the supertest and the autobild lap.

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

    The king is back!!!

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

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    lambornima said:
    this is the same car WR got to go a 7:32. odds of it being stock...slimmer than paris hilton.


    That would be very un-Porsche like.

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

    either that, or this press car has its suspension perfectly setup for the Nring. seeing as how it doesnt outaccelerate the CGT (on this high speed track) it would have to be outbraking and out handling it.

    other lap times will likely not support the GT2 being as fast as a CGT.

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

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    lambornima said:
    either that, or this press car has its suspension perfectly setup for the Nring. seeing as how it doesnt outaccelerate the CGT (on this high speed track) it would have to be outbraking and out handling it.

    other lap times will likely not support the GT2 being as fast as a CGT.



    A perfect setup for the Nring will pretty much guarantee awesome real-world performance, so I don't see why this would be a one-off car. Also, factor in tyre technology that has advanced significantly in the last few years (the CGT only has R compound on the outer thirds of the tyres).

    That being said, it would probably make sense to use the GT2 suspension on the TT (if possible) and tune it with the 550 or 600 package by Ruf. It would be much more useful for the majority of us.

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

    Andrej,
    I suspected that sceptics like the one above will occur...

    NO Men in Black influence Gents! GT2 is simply that fast as you will see very soon since different example of GT2 achived some excellent time around Oschersleben track(soon in Auto Bild Sportscar edition)...

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    The driver was Von Saurma?

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    No. von Saurma works for Sport Auto. Driver was young German Car journalist who works for Auto Bild Sportscar.

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

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    KresoF1 said:
    Andrej,
    I suspected that sceptics like the one above will occur...

    NO Men in Black influence Gents! GT2 is simply that fast as you will see very soon since different example of GT2 achived some excellent time around Oschersleben track(soon in Auto Bild Sportscar edition)...



    Of course we knew it was going to happen. I just find it funny that some people won't budge no matter what. I could care less, frankly, as my buying target is the 997 Turbo, but the pigheadedness of some people never ceases to amaze me.

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    Amazing how Porsche keeps finding ways to improve aerodynamics and suspensions.

    Good luck Scuderia Kool Aide drinkers!

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

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    Alex (UK) said:
    Impressive indeed

    I don't know though whether this points out more that the GT2 is an amazing car on the track, or that the stock Turbo's handling is seriously flawed given it is over 20 seconds behind.



    One of these cars is tuned for the track but still very competent on the road. The other is tuned for road use but still competent on the track.

    20s difference on the Nürburgring is not a sign of one of them being seriously flawed.

    The whole discussion relating to the 997 TT's 'Ring time might be more of a sign of a lot of people having seriously flawed abilities to appreciate the limitations of the physics involved in trying to achieve divergent objectives.

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

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    fritz said:
    Quote:
    Alex (UK) said:
    Impressive indeed

    I don't know though whether this points out more that the GT2 is an amazing car on the track, or that the stock Turbo's handling is seriously flawed given it is over 20 seconds behind.



    One of these cars is tuned for the track but still very competent on the road. The other is tuned for road use but still competent on the track.

    20s difference on the Nürburgring is not a sign of one of them being seriously flawed.

    The whole discussion relating to the 997 TT's 'Ring time might be more of a sign of a lot of people having seriously flawed abilities to appreciate the limitations of the physics involved in trying to achieve divergent objectives.



    Absolutely,

    Rather than the 997TT being "incompetently" engineered with a "flawed" suspension setup, the car was INTENTIONALLY designed to make the car feel smooth and insulated from the road for the VKSF's'/WBH's/MB-AMG buyers who never drive the car near 50% of its limits, a car whose engineering limitations when driven closer to 100% near its limits manifest as slower Ring times.

    It is just as intentional as Porsche's decision not to market a sport exhaust for the TT (not the image they want to market) for the car, rather than a failure to adapt it to Green/emissions laws or to enable it to accomodate the thermal stresses of the VTG's.

    Not that these are bad business/marketing decisions-even if I and others on Rennteam disagree with them-indeed, as much as we all criticize Porsche, they are doing just what they intended to do-making money better than any other car manufacturer in the world.

    On the one hand, I read posts today implying that Porsche is simultaneously incompetent to develop a suspension for the 997TT that they suddenly magically discover and correct when developing the suspension for the GT2, BUT at the same time is clever and resourceful in developing a 997TT and 997GT2 (and is developing in future releases) that intentionally and ingeniously make it more expensive and less rewarding for tuners to improve upon, as though Porsche R&D can outwit the tuners on tamper-proof ECU's and super-complex engine technology, but can't figure out how to make for the 911 Turbo, now more than 30 years old, in its fifth generation, a suspension for a street-legal car.

    C'mon guys, stop over-interpreting Porsche marketing to fit each one's individual conspiracy theories about why they design their cars the way they do, and if you don't want to buy one and enjoy one (and even modify one a little), then why spend so much precious time on these forums for God's sake?

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

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    fritz said:
    Quote:
    Alex (UK) said:
    Impressive indeed

    I don't know though whether this points out more that the GT2 is an amazing car on the track, or that the stock Turbo's handling is seriously flawed given it is over 20 seconds behind.



    One of these cars is tuned for the track but still very competent on the road. The other is tuned for road use but still competent on the track.

    20s difference on the Nürburgring is not a sign of one of them being seriously flawed.

    The whole discussion relating to the 997 TT's 'Ring time might be more of a sign of a lot of people having seriously flawed abilities to appreciate the limitations of the physics involved in trying to achieve divergent objectives.



    Yes, it's hard to have your cake and eat it too (as we say here). A hard core track vehicle will not make a great daily driver. Lower ride height/stiffer suspension and less weight will always lead to better track times - but less day-to-day usability. Depends on what your needs are?

    Porsche did their homework. The GT2 is a Monster of a car - no doubt about it. Wonder how it sounds?


    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

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    KresoF1 said:
    Andrej,
    I suspected that sceptics like the one above will occur...

    NO Men in Black influence Gents! GT2 is simply that fast as you will see very soon since different example of GT2 achived some excellent time around Oschersleben track(soon in Auto Bild Sportscar edition)...



    do you know the times

    Re: 997 GT2 Sport Auto Supertest...

    Turbo Al..."VKSF's'/WBH's/MB-AMG buyers who never drive the car near 50% of its limits"

    Too kind !

    They can barely get a CL from the driveway to Whole Foods and back.


     
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