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    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

     ...cool down guys.

    Alonso won because of Vettels technical problems. So the same manner as he won 2 championships... Despite the spanish press no one seriously anticipates he would have had a chance against Vettel on track. 

    Furthermore Massa had also some problems, that why he slowed down versus Alonso in the last laps. 

    Its more like...the parasite is back!

     

     


    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    kashmir, you are not doing yourself any favors being so viscerally subjective in your views, you are setting yourself for a long and bitter season by the looks of things... you can't fight reality for ever.

    Check out the post-race analysis from Andrew Bensaon Easy has posted as a guide.


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    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

     Carlos, that´s what forum live from...or?  

    BTW aren´t your post also very subjective....? I mean you write about Alonso, as him being a top driver at level of Clark, Stewart, Lauda, Senna, Schumacher...   Sure, Alonso won 2 championship....but look how...! He benifited massive from technical trouble of Raikkonen and Schumacher in respectives years. He drove the title home, no more no less....dependent on others.

    In case you forget, how Alonso performs under pressure in championship battle... watch here: 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry-8HOOV48Q

     

     


    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    easy_rider911:

    Excellent post race analysis from BBC's Andrew Benson

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2010/03/impressive_alonso_throws_down.html 


    Good read.

    I wonder how many more season's can RBR keep Vettel, 2010 maybe the last if reliability keeps holding him back..


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    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    kashmir, it will be a pleasure for me to watch your reactions when Alonso will win a lot of races this year, and maybe even the championship.


    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    Kashmir has a point here! Let's not be crazy here. You can't exactly call him the King when both his championships were won they way they were and while MS is on the same grid. If he does become champion this year, it'll be because of the Ferrari's dominant performance. 
     

     


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 
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    1984 BMW 323i 5spd 2.3L 141 hp (105 kW) More door. Black on black (parting out) 
    1986 BMW 325e 5spd 2.7L 121 hp (172 lb·ft) Le Mans Blau on Tan leather.
    1986 BMW 325is 5spd 2.5L 168 hp (164 lb-ft) White on Tan leather (parted out) 
    2005 Ford Focus S, 5spd 2.0L 136 hp (120lb-ft) CD silver on grey (sold)
    1986 Porsche 944, 5spd 2.5L 150 hp (168lb-ft) champagne gold on grown leather. (sold)


    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    koko:

    Forza Ferrari!!!

    The king is BACK

     

    forza Ferrari - YES

    But the King is with Mercedes GP this year Smiley


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 
    _____________________________________________________________________
    1984 BMW 323i 5spd 2.3L 141 hp (105 kW) More door. Black on black (parting out) 
    1986 BMW 325e 5spd 2.7L 121 hp (172 lb·ft) Le Mans Blau on Tan leather.
    1986 BMW 325is 5spd 2.5L 168 hp (164 lb-ft) White on Tan leather (parted out) 
    2005 Ford Focus S, 5spd 2.0L 136 hp (120lb-ft) CD silver on grey (sold)
    1986 Porsche 944, 5spd 2.5L 150 hp (168lb-ft) champagne gold on grown leather. (sold)


    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    kashmir:

     Carlos, that´s what forum live from...or?  

    BTW aren´t your post also very subjective....? I mean you write about Alonso, as him being a top driver at level of Clark, Stewart, Lauda, Senna, Schumacher...   Sure, Alonso won 2 championship....but look how...! He benifited massive from technical trouble of Raikkonen and Schumacher in respectives years. He drove the title home, no more no less....dependent on others.

     

    Everybody is subjective kashmir to some extent, but you are taking it to the extreme and its not doing yourself a favor.

    As to how he won the championships, you can make all the escuses you want in your mind, but he won them, at record age, and with a Renault. I don't see you mentioning how the consecutive three champions following him won their titles? they won them more or less in the same way, its called racing, except, neither of them had to fight a Schumacher in Ferrari nor Alonso for the title when they won it. This year finally we have all the pilots in fast cars being able to compete, and a different picture is being painted.


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    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    Atzporsche: If he does become champion this year, it'll be because of the Ferrari's dominant performance. 

     

    So why wouldn't Massa win it then? Smiley so if he wins its because of the car, and if he doesn't its because he is not the best driver of the season? Smiley

    BTW, Alonso may be the nº1 contender in the grid now and be better driver than Shumhacher this year but he still needs to rack a few more titles before he can be compared to schumy's career in F1, so I don't get this king or no king stuff. This season maybe, overall, no or not yet.


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    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    In qualifying, Alonso was half a second slower than Vettel, and he was slower than his teammate. During the race he could only overtake Vettel because of his problems, and Massa had a hard time with his car too.

    Don't get me wrong here, Alonso has earned this victory, but Vettel would have earned it as much.


    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    Carlos from Spain:
    Atzporsche: If he does become champion this year, it'll be because of the Ferrari's dominant performance. 

     

    So why wouldn't Massa win it then? Smiley so if he wins its because of the car, and if he doesn't its because he is not the best driver of the season? Smiley

    BTW, Alonso may be the nº1 contender in the grid now and be better driver than Shumhacher this year but he still needs to rack a few more titles before he can be compared to schumy's career in F1, so I don't get this king or no king stuff. This season maybe, overall, no or not yet.

     

    No doubt he made a really good start to the season. But it is still very early and the other did have problems, so it hardly shows his dominance over anyone at this point. As Eunice says, Massa could have been as fast and Vettel could have pulled away altogether. Things are as they are, however, and he fought hard for this deserved win.

    Don't get me wrong, I wish him all the success this season. If he does take the championship, then that will be huge considering the competition this year! Needless to say, it looks to be a very promising season! 


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 
    _____________________________________________________________________
    1984 BMW 323i 5spd 2.3L 141 hp (105 kW) More door. Black on black (parting out) 
    1986 BMW 325e 5spd 2.7L 121 hp (172 lb·ft) Le Mans Blau on Tan leather.
    1986 BMW 325is 5spd 2.5L 168 hp (164 lb-ft) White on Tan leather (parted out) 
    2005 Ford Focus S, 5spd 2.0L 136 hp (120lb-ft) CD silver on grey (sold)
    1986 Porsche 944, 5spd 2.5L 150 hp (168lb-ft) champagne gold on grown leather. (sold)


    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    Carlos from Spain:

    kashmir, you are not doing yourself any favors being so viscerally subjective in your views, you are setting yourself for a long and bitter season by the looks of things... you can't fight reality for ever.

     

    Yeah, Mr. Objective and Mr. Reality.
    That´s definately you, Carlos.

    SmileySmileySmileySmileySmiley

     


    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    kashmir:

     Carlos, that´s what forum live from...or?  

    BTW aren´t your post also very subjective....? I mean you write about Alonso, as him being a top driver at level of Clark, Stewart, Lauda, Senna, Schumacher...   Sure, Alonso won 2 championship....but look how...! He benifited massive from technical trouble of Raikkonen and Schumacher in respectives years. He drove the title home, no more no less....dependent on others.

    In case you forget, how Alonso performs under pressure in championship battle... watch here: 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry-8HOOV48Q

     

    Amazing. You´re like...my soulmate!!! SmileySmileySmiley


    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    No doubt Alonso is top driver and he did well yesterday, but I think Vettel would win without tehnical problems, because Red Bull was really fast this weekend.. Race was quite boring, I think refueling ban is a mistake and we will see even less action this year.


    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    Shakal:

    No doubt Alonso is top driver and he did well yesterday, but I think Vettel would win without tehnical problems, because Red Bull was really fast this weekend..

    We must not isolate the driver from the car. Motorsport is a combination of man and machine and winning requires both elements to work with reliability, amongst other things.


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    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    Shakal:

    No doubt Alonso is top driver and he did well yesterday, but I think Vettel would win without tehnical problems, because Red Bull was really fast this weekend.. Race was quite boring, I think refueling ban is a mistake and we will see even less action this year.

     Yes, Alonso is a top driver, but the refueling ban I think is good.

    Drivers now have to overtake on the track, and the first lap after a pit stop is the fastest, so going into the pit earlier now gives you an advantage.

    The end of the race is also more interesting, since the car and tires have to be much more durable due to the longer stints. I like the new rules (for a change)!


    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    Shakal:

    No doubt Alonso is top driver and he did well yesterday, but I think Vettel would win without tehnical problems, because Red Bull was really fast this weekend.. Race was quite boring, I think refueling ban is a mistake and we will see even less action this year.

    I'm not disagreeing with you (how can one at this point) , but let's see how the refueling ban plays out on various other tracks. I think it will make a significant difference on some tracks, a marginal difference on others, and almost no difference on some.


    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    reginos:
    Shakal:

    No doubt Alonso is top driver and he did well yesterday, but I think Vettel would win without tehnical problems, because Red Bull was really fast this weekend..

    We must not isolate the driver from the car. Motorsport is a combination of man and machine and winning requires both elements to work with reliability, amongst other things.

     

    Ofcourse, top driver without top car can't win. We could see that with Schumacher, Hamilton, Alonso, Villeneuve... they are top drives and they won championship, but in years they didn't have a good car, they wasn't even close in battle for WDC. On other side, Button won championship because he had the best car, despite he isn't on same level as Hamilton, Alonso...

    I hope Bridgestone will make softer tyres for upcoming races, so drivers will have to stop at least twice. It would make everything more interesting...


    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    Shakal, unless they do like they do in the A1 GP series (all have same cars delivered by Ferrari) it will be impossible to ever get a "fair" champion. And even with identical cars, there will be differences and luck/bad luck will also play a part. But that´s racing.

    It will be down to a number of factors plus one´s own personal preferences when it comes to "best driver".

    This season we have a number of drivers who can win the championship. Within the top teams noone seems to have an inferior car or total package - so it´s a matter of mental strength and luck in the end.
     

    Vettel lost the race - but Alonso put himself in a position to win it.
    With what seems to be a new-found maturity and feeling of being at the right team, I think Alonso will be more focussed than ever - and is a safe bet as a top 3 driver in the championship.
    The exciting part is that you can say that about 5-6 drivers this year.

     


    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    Why did they change the point system btw? What was wrong with the old system?


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    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    Gauss:

    Why did they change the point system btw? What was wrong with the old system?


    I think the main problem was, that there were too little points for the winner, so many drivers were satisfied to finish second or third. With the new system they should be encouraged to go for the maximum possible. Smiley
     


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    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    kashmir:

     

    In case you forget, how Alonso performs under pressure in championship battle... watch here: 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry-8HOOV48Q

     

    So where are the videos of Hamilton being trapped in the gravel in China, Schumacher "crashing" at Monaco, Vettel colliding with Kubica in Australia?

    Every driver has made mistakes in racing. Apart from Japan and Brazil a couple of years earlier Alonso has always shown to be a consistent and fair driver.

    I do not necessarily agree with Carlos on all accounts regarding Alonso but some of your comments are certainly not objective. Smiley


    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    Dr. Phil:

     

    This season we have a number of drivers who can win the championship. Within the top teams noone seems to have an inferior car or total package - so it´s a matter of mental strength and luck in the end.

     

    I guess that we can agree on. Every driver has his strenghts and weaknesses and I find it shortsighted to reduce their abilities to a couple incidents or races. All potential candidates for the championship have made mistakes in previous races, some even being quite substantial. We have already said enough about each drivers´ strongpoints and I see Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel as potential candidates unless development progress will propel Rosberg, Schumacher and Massa to better results.

    On a sidenote, Schumacher mentioned that he still has difficulties to adapt to the new cars, especially the narrow front tires, which certainly makes it hard for him to exploit his favoured driving style with a loose tail. As Rosberg also tends to avoid understeer the car will certainly be modified to both drivers´ needs in the future.


    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    Dr. Phil:

    Shakal, unless they do like they do in the A1 GP series (all have same cars delivered by Ferrari) it will be impossible to ever get a "fair" champion. And even with identical cars, there will be differences and luck/bad luck will also play a part. But that´s racing.

    It will be down to a number of factors plus one´s own personal preferences when it comes to "best driver".

    Actually, I believe that the drivers' title should be abolished altogether. If you review F1 over the last 35 years or so, in the vast majority of seasons the title driver had the best car by far. And often there was not even contest within the dominant team due to team orders or employing a substandard second driver to partner the team leader.

    So, what's the point of having this title if the times it is won by the really best driver are very rare?

    Personally, I believe that Motorsport is all about the package of man and machinery so the two must not be separated. There should only be one combined title.


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    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    That's a good idea reginos, but I doubt it will help to make the sport more popular.

    The best drivers can pretty much choose their team and have a big influence on it, so it's not totally wrong to have a drivers title.


    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    No problem with the driver's title; just make the manufacturer's title equally important.


    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    Rossi:
    Gauss:

    Why did they change the point system btw? What was wrong with the old system?


    I think the main problem was, that there were too little points for the winner, so many drivers were satisfied to finish second or third. With the new system they should be encouraged to go for the maximum possible. Smiley
     

    Ah! thanks for clarifying, Rossi Smiley


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    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    Spyderidol:

    No problem with the driver's title; just make the manufacturer's title equally important.

     I think the teams already consider it much more important, as a lot of funding and other privileges depend on it. 


    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

     Yes thats true, but racing must also be about the fans. They are the true source of income.


    Re: 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

    andrea:

    nice!

    http://www.youtube.com/user/ThePorscheSupercup

     

    Thank you for that link. Had followed race 1 on TV, race 2 was even more entertaining! Smiley


     
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