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    Re: VW caught cheating emissions tests

    Whoopsy:

    I would actually loved to see Dish go bankrupt from the fines. They should be made an example of violating people's privacy. Which is a much bigger issue than spewing out a tiny extra amount of green house gases from the VW diesel cars, the scale of which is dwarf by the California gas leak. 

    Two totally different scenarios. VW lied and cheated and everyone knew at the company what was going on. (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/vw-investigation-shows-many-bosses-192441893.html

    The situation here in Los Angeles is different, more like a company's ineptness on how to deal with a crisis. The Southern California Gas Company will be fined, but there was no criminal intent like VW.


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    Re: VW caught cheating emissions tests

    The EU is pissed at VW for improving their "im sorry" giveback, but not doing it for any EU customers.


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    Re: VW caught cheating emissions tests

    vtrader:
    Whoopsy:

    I would actually loved to see Dish go bankrupt from the fines. They should be made an example of violating people's privacy. Which is a much bigger issue than spewing out a tiny extra amount of green house gases from the VW diesel cars, the scale of which is dwarf by the California gas leak. 

    Two totally different scenarios. VW lied and cheated and everyone knew at the company what was going on. (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/vw-investigation-shows-many-bosses-192441893.html

    The situation here in Los Angeles is different, more like a company's ineptness on how to deal with a crisis. The Southern California Gas Company will be fined, but there was no criminal intent like VW.

     

     

    Or perhaps the gas company knew the risk beforehand and still went ahead anyway?


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    Oh boy. Just think of the exhaust emissions they'll cause: 

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/vw-volkswagen-currywurst-sausages-emissions-scandal-a6883751.html


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    Groan.....


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    Also Mercedes had the devices, that's so awkward because the Benz CEO was really strongly against it. 


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    Re: VW caught cheating emissions tests

    Apparently Mitsubishi just admitted to lying on economy figures for over 600,000 cars sold in Japan. No word on cars sold elsewhere though.


    Re: VW caught cheating emissions tests

    Manufacturers' estimate of fuel economy were never ever accurate anyway. Whatever number EPA published, I always take a 30% cut.

    The testing cycle is so unrealistic that it's pointless.


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    Re: VW caught cheating emissions tests

    Looks like VW will be in the business of buying cars.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/volkswagen-emissions-usa-idUSL2N17N1PA


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    http://www.20min.ch/finance/news/story/17802398


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    Re: VW caught cheating emissions tests

    nberry:

    Looks like VW will be in the business of buying cars.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/volkswagen-emissions-usa-idUSL2N17N1PA

    Leave it to the sometime disaster prone Germans to achieve a new automotive record. VW might be buying more cars than they will be selling in the US for awhile.

    Were VW executives and Takata execs born with the same lucky genes?  http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2016/05/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-takata-air-bag-recall/index.htm


    Re: VW caught cheating emissions tests

    Everyone cheated - get over it. Those who think that their mighty diesels were "clean" are morons anyways. VW will now use this dark time to trigger a switch to EV development as I predicted last year. I still find it really funny that of all places, the US went after them.. considering they are in the dark ages when it comes to environmental protection and climate change realization broken heart


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    Atzporsche:

    Everyone cheated - get over it. Those who think that their mighty diesels were "clean" are morons anyways. VW will now use this dark time to trigger a switch to EV development as I predicted last year. I still find it really funny that of all places, the US went after them.. considering they are in the dark ages when it comes to environmental protection and climate change realization broken heart

    Congratulations. You just became a member of the IDKTDBCAN (I don't know the difference between CO2 and NOx) association. Smiley Smiley

    A V8 with 500 hp fuel engine is less directly harmful to the health of an individual than a family station wagon with a 200 hp Diesel. Many people, especially in Europe, don't want to hear (or believe) that because for ages, they have been indoctrinated with lies from car manufacturers and governments actually supported this lie for various reasons.

    CO2 may be harmful for the environment on a long term run but NOx is directly harmful for your health. Just ask an asthmatic about it. Smiley


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    Re: VW caught cheating emissions tests

    VW Group also wants to cut down on model variation throughout all brands, over 40 variants/models will disappear. 

    Among them, as rumored: The Panamera Sport Turismo (Panamera station wagon), maybe even the Cayman. These are rumors...take them with a grain of salt.

    Also, a new market orientation, based on brand awareness, is planned. This could also  mean the end of the Audi R8, the VW Eos and Scirocco. Instead, the R8 could be replaced by a Porsche variant and the Scirocco by a cheaper Porsche model, priced under the Boxster.

    The various planned Audi Q model range Coupes are also under reconsideration.

    Again...lots of rumors right now...take them with a grain of salt but the model/variations cut and the new market orientation based on brand awareness is a real thing, it has already been signed off. 


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    Re: VW caught cheating emissions tests

    Not a moment too soon...strategically they definitely need to disentangle the blatantly obvious overlap and duplication among VW group product offerings in the various car segements.

    Piech will probably oppose moving the R8 product slot over to Porsche...


    Re: VW caught cheating emissions tests

    olli:

    Not a moment too soon...strategically they definitely need to disentangle the blatantly obvious overlap and duplication among VW group product offerings in the various car segements.

    Piech will probably oppose moving the R8 product slot over to Porsche...

    The R8 doesn't make any sense in the Audi model family, only the RS models do.

    Just today, I talked to my Audi dealer and he told me that he visited the Quattro GmbH last year and watched the R8 production. After talking to the people working there, he came under the impression that they are so proud of their job there that they are calling themselves Quattro GmbH employees, not Audi employees. Weird, isn't it? I wasn't aware of that (if true).

    In my opinion, it would be a genius move if the Quattro GmbH would be integrated with Porsche and then Audi could claim that the RS models are developed by Porsche. The R8 would be a fine mid engined Porsche 960, something Porsche really needs. The current V10 engine is a treat but I doubt it would survive under Porsche management. Smiley

    Well, I guess we all know this will not happen...Smiley


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    Re: VW caught cheating emissions tests

    RC:
    olli:

    Not a moment too soon...strategically they definitely need to disentangle the blatantly obvious overlap and duplication among VW group product offerings in the various car segements.

    Piech will probably oppose moving the R8 product slot over to Porsche...

    The R8 doesn't make any sense in the Audi model family, only the RS models do.

    Just today, I talked to my Audi dealer and he told me that he visited the Quattro GmbH last year and watched the R8 production. After talking to the people working there, he came under the impression that they are so proud of their job there that they are calling themselves Quattro GmbH employees, not Audi employees. Weird, isn't it? I wasn't aware of that (if true).

    In my opinion, it would be a genius move if the Quattro GmbH would be integrated with Porsche and then Audi could claim that the RS models are developed by Porsche. The R8 would be a fine mid engined Porsche 960, something Porsche really needs. The current V10 engine is a treat but I doubt it would survive under Porsche management. Smiley

    Well, I guess we all know this will not happen...Smiley

    I doubt if the n/a V10 will survive anyway sadly, it will go the same way as all the fine non-turbo engines, sacrificied at the altar to the environment Smiley


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    Re: VW caught cheating emissions tests

    According to my Audi dealer, the next R8 (base model) variant will have a V6 bi-turbo engine with 500 hp. No more V8 for the R8 as it seems. Sad. 

    Audi wants to keep the V10 for the whole current R8 generation but if it isn't possible, they could switch to a turbo charged V8 instead (according to my dealer...again).

    So even if a turbo charged R8 could get 700 hp, I'm not interested with the fabulous V10 engine. This is a monster and I love it. I guess only the Lamborghini V12 is nicer...


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    Re: VW caught cheating emissions tests

    RC:
    olli:

    Not a moment too soon...strategically they definitely need to disentangle the blatantly obvious overlap and duplication among VW group product offerings in the various car segements.

    Piech will probably oppose moving the R8 product slot over to Porsche...

    The R8 doesn't make any sense in the Audi model family, only the RS models do.

    Just today, I talked to my Audi dealer and he told me that he visited the Quattro GmbH last year and watched the R8 production. After talking to the people working there, he came under the impression that they are so proud of their job there that they are calling themselves Quattro GmbH employees, not Audi employees. Weird, isn't it? I wasn't aware of that (if true).

    In my opinion, it would be a genius move if the Quattro GmbH would be integrated with Porsche and then Audi could claim that the RS models are developed by Porsche. The R8 would be a fine mid engined Porsche 960, something Porsche really needs. The current V10 engine is a treat but I doubt it would survive under Porsche management. Smiley

    Well, I guess we all know this will not happen...Smiley

    Actually, it isn't really weird. As the "GmbH" tells you, it is a distinct, separate company in the companies' register, even though it is owned by Audi, which is in turn owned by the VW Group.
    Audi employees will not refer to themselves as VW employees, and the Foxconn workers who assemble iPhones in China don't think of themselves as Apple employees. 


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    Re: VW caught cheating emissions tests

    RC:

    According to my Audi dealer, the next R8 (base model) variant will have a V6 bi-turbo engine with 500 hp. No more V8 for the R8 as it seems. Sad. 

    Audi wants to keep the V10 for the whole current R8 generation but if it isn't possible, they could switch to a turbo charged V8 instead (according to my dealer...again).

    So even if a turbo charged R8 could get 700 hp, I'm not interested with the fabulous V10 engine. This is a monster and I love it. I guess only the Lamborghini V12 is nicer...

    Your comments exactly echo mine with the prospect of a Boxster GTS 4 cyl turbo.....Smiley


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    Re: VW caught cheating emissions tests

    Wonder where it will be when the dust settles. That's just a US settlement for 500K cars. How many cars globally are breaking the law?


    Re: VW caught cheating emissions tests

    So, is it a viable strategy to go out and buy as many used VW 2.0 diesels in the US as I can and sell them back to VW overpriced?




    Re: VW caught cheating emissions tests

    ...one comment below says:...VW is now a milk cow for the crowd...this comment is IMO very true and sad to read as it gives a accurate reflection of what is going on in (parts of) our society...


     
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