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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    nberry:

    Envy is delicious.

    yes it is - enjoy... Love ya man,  but you must admit your car may cause the same point to be made.

    Personally I do not feed on others envy nor do I seek it. I enjoy driving my car fast and that is about it.

    here are some real gems to comment on -

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-01-12/custom-cars-dazzle-at-tokyo-s-ride-pimping-extravaganza

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    To a point, you're correct. I think I can get about 75% of the GT3 ability. Still much higher than 60%.cool


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    nberry:

    To a point, you're correct. I think I can get about 75% of the GT3 ability. Still much higher than 60%.cool


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    "A man wrapped up in himself makes for a very small bundle."

     

    So you track your GT3?


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    Go to 5"47

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=cCrzoFvGTSk


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    Very nice in black, thanks for posting

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    Porker:
    nberry:

    To a point, you're correct. I think I can get about 75% of the GT3 ability. Still much higher than 60%.cool


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    "A man wrapped up in himself makes for a very small bundle."

     

    So you track your GT3?

    Not yet. However, there are many roads in the area to exercise the car and test your driving abilities. Should an incident occur the car will be covered by insurance. Not so on a track.


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    "A man wrapped up in himself makes for a very small bundle."


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    nberry:
    Porker:
    nberry:

    To a point, you're correct. I think I can get about 75% of the GT3 ability. Still much higher than 60%.cool


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    "A man wrapped up in himself makes for a very small bundle."

     

    So you track your GT3?

    Not yet. However, there are many roads in the area to exercise the car and test your driving abilities. Should an incident occur the car will be covered by insurance. Not so on a track.

    I just bought track insurance.  Not cheap, but possible.  Animal Premium was 3.6% of agreed value with 5% deductible. Unlimited track use for 1 year for all US tracks (extra $500 to include Canadian tracks).  Includes coverage for instructor too.

    https://www.theopentrack.com/

    There is also a company, Lockton, that sells track insurance on a per event basis.

    Euro Delivery is still the best way to acquire track insurance (free for 16 Days with 1,000 Euro deductible, extendable for up to 6 months for additional cost...


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    Nick,

    Self collision insure like Sun and Sky do -  you wreck you write the cheque, very simple.  And basic insurance to protect from others off track.  No track worries.smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    watt:  Self collision insure like Sun and Sky do -  you wreck you write the cheque, very simple.  And basic insurance to protect from others off track.  No track worries.smiley

    I agree this is best, but in this case I couldn’t easily survive an uninsured total loss...


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    Grant. You are such a track animal. (How much is animal insurance per year?) 

    Lockton is local from KC. The owner has had many Porsches in the past I have heard. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    Leawood911:

    Grant. You are such a track animal. (How much is animal insurance per year?) 

    Lockton is local from KC. The owner has had many Porsches in the past I have heard. 

    Not that much of an animal - only tracking the GT3 occasionally, but too nervous to even do that without coverage.  $6,500 annually for $175k coverage (5% deductible, unlimited tracking at all US tracks, $500 extra for Canada).

    If I could afford it, I'd do self-insurance.  I think the chances of a huge loss are relatively low, but not zero...


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    I would say its very good deal, I know a guy totalled 3 GT3 in a row several years ago,but he covered all of them because of insurance, I see guys driving without insurance but very risky 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    Grant:
    Leawood911:

    Grant. You are such a track animal. (How much is animal insurance per year?) 

    Lockton is local from KC. The owner has had many Porsches in the past I have heard. 

    Not that much of an animal - only tracking the GT3 occasionally, but too nervous to even do that without coverage.  $6,500 annually for $175k coverage (5% deductible, unlimited tracking at all US tracks, $500 extra for Canada).

    If I could afford it, I'd do self-insurance.  I think the chances of a huge loss are relatively low, but not zero...


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     

     

    That’s pretty expensive but worth it if you total the car.  I must admit my ‘animal’ reference was due to your earlier typo. I would never point that out to our non English speaking friends. It’s all good.   Cheers 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    Funny - must've been Auto-Correct on my iphone.  Animal Premiums are very rare (hard to train them to drive) Smiley


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    Stupid question: Since the Nordschleife is no track, does a track insurance pay up? The road insurance surely doesn't. Could be a tricky situation here.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    RC:

    Stupid question: Since the Nordschleife is no track, does a track insurance pay up? The road insurance surely doesn't. Could be a tricky situation here.

    It is only a regular pay road when open for touristdriving.

    Otherwise it is a track. A trackday for instance.

    I have insurance during the Scuderia Hanseat for instance. But nor for the Tourist driving before and after the Scuderia trackdays. (Well my normal road insurance covers third party damages during Tourist driving but damages that my car ends up with is for me to pay.)


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    If you go on TF (tourist day), regular car insurance coverage is insured. Police will even show up to make the report...

    on track days, you will need a track insurance.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    FWIW: Porsche offers "Porsche Shield" in Germany [1] which lets you insure special "events" for a short time. Such an event could be letting someone else drive the car (€8/day) or a track day (€199). As far as I can see that would cover a day on the ring. Obviously there is some fine print that one has to read.

    Cheers
    Rick

    [1] https://shield.porsche.de


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    schmoell:

    FWIW: Porsche offers "Porsche Shield" in Germany [1] which lets you insure special "events" for a short time. Such an event could be letting someone else drive the car (€8/day) or a track day (€199). As far as I can see that would cover a day on the ring. Obviously there is some fine print that one has to read.

    Cheers
    Rick

    [1] https://shield.porsche.de

    Nice!


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    the-missile:

    If you go on TF (tourist day), regular car insurance coverage is insured. Police will even show up to make the report...

    That is true but depending on your insurance (country and company) they might have some fineprint in the contract regarding driving on the Nordschleife - that is the case with my insurance company. 

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    Kobalt:
    the-missile:

    If you go on TF (tourist day), regular car insurance coverage is insured. Police will even show up to make the report...

    That is true but depending on your insurance (country and company) they might have some fineprint in the contract regarding driving on the Nordschleife - that is the case with my insurance company. 

     

    I am with Allianz . The contract says : no cover for driving  on a road that goes around in circles . 

    Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    Gnil:
    Kobalt:
    the-missile:

    If you go on TF (tourist day), regular car insurance coverage is insured. Police will even show up to make the report...

    That is true but depending on your insurance (country and company) they might have some fineprint in the contract regarding driving on the Nordschleife - that is the case with my insurance company. 

     

    I am with Allianz . The contract says : no cover for driving  on a road that goes around in circles . 

    Smiley

    Careful with the roundabouts then.

     

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    RC:

    Stupid question: Since the Nordschleife is no track, does a track insurance pay up? The road insurance surely doesn't. Could be a tricky situation here.

    I have confirmed multiple times that the insurance included with European Delivery for US customers covers all roads and all tracks (as long as not sanctioned race) with only 1,000 EUR deductible.  Covers both TF and Trackdays at Ring for free for 16 days...

    Not sure about Track Insurance in Europe for TF...


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    Kimi:
    Gnil:
    Kobalt:
    the-missile:

    If you go on TF (tourist day), regular car insurance coverage is insured. Police will even show up to make the report...

    That is true but depending on your insurance (country and company) they might have some fineprint in the contract regarding driving on the Nordschleife - that is the case with my insurance company. 

     

    I am with Allianz . The contract says : no cover for driving  on a road that goes around in circles . 

    Smiley

    Careful with the roundabouts then.

     

     

    my translation is obviously not accurate Smiley  but you get the idea 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    The US policies are so restrictive, even designated driver education events are not covered if at a track. Insurance companies are not stupid enough to fall for that gimmick.

    Watt, your an investment guy and savvy about money. Why would you risk $200,000 just to save $6500 especially if your able to afford the $6500 and it would buy you piece of mind in enjoying tracking your car?yes


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    nberry:

    Why would you risk $200,000 just to save $6500 especially if your able to afford the $6500 and it would buy you piece of mind in enjoying tracking your car?yes

    If you can afford the potential $200k loss and you calculate that the chance of total loss is far less than 1 in 30 per year, then self-insurance makes more sense.  Also, the cost is more than $6,500 for $200k coverage (that's for $175k) - sliding scale...


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    Grant, you could use that logic regarding all insurance. Also, you're not factoring the intangible of not truly exercising the car on the track in fear of a collision because you're self insured.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    nberry:

    Grant, you could use that logic regarding all insurance.

    I agree.  If you can afford to do so (a total loss is not that big a deal), it's almost always the better option to self-insure.  Particularly if you invest the premium money...

    My financial circumstances would not allow me to brush off a total loss of things like my home and car, so insurance...

    As a corollary, if you are moderately wealthy but cannot easily survive a total loss of your house/car, then it is usually financially advantageous to use a much higher deductible.  Most homeowners and auto insurance has a $500 or $1,000 deductible with high premiums.  If you increase the deductible to $10k or $25k, you'll save a ton on premiums and you'll have fewer claims which also will save on future premiums.


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    Good advice regarding deductibles.

    But for mortgage companies requirements, how many would insure their homes?  


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    nberry:

    Good advice regarding deductibles.

    But for mortgage companies requirements, how many would insure their homes?  

    Quite a few people own outright (I’m not one)


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